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#4489063 - 08/15/17 08:54 AM Anyone do UOAs with different oils
AnarchyX Offline


Registered: 06/27/08
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Loc: Texas
Just wondering is anyone has done UOAs of different oils on the same vehicle. And if so, were the results significantly different?

I think it would be interesting to see what a Super Tech and Pennzoil UOAs look like in the same vehicle, if for anything but to see how the engine treats each oil.

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#4489067 - 08/15/17 08:58 AM Re: Anyone do UOAs with different oils [Re: AnarchyX]
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Here are a few:

2010 Ford F-150 FX4 UOAs
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#4489075 - 08/15/17 09:07 AM Re: Anyone do UOAs with different oils [Re: 2015_PSD]
AnarchyX Offline


Registered: 06/27/08
Posts: 191
Loc: Texas
Originally Posted By: 2015_PSD
Here are a few:

2010 Ford F-150 FX4 UOAs


Thanks!

Looks like Pennzoil and Mobil synthetics were pretty similar in their numbers.

What's interesting is that Mobil 5000 had similar numbers to Motorcraft Semi-synthetic. Why would that be is Mobil 5000 has no synthetic oil in it?

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#4489084 - 08/15/17 09:15 AM Re: Anyone do UOAs with different oils [Re: AnarchyX]
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Originally Posted By: AnarchyX
Originally Posted By: 2015_PSD
Here are a few:

2010 Ford F-150 FX4 UOAs


Thanks!

Looks like Pennzoil and Mobil synthetics were pretty similar in their numbers.

What's interesting is that Mobil 5000 had similar numbers to Motorcraft Semi-synthetic. Why would that be is Mobil 5000 has no synthetic oil in it?


Blackstone's cheap UOAs can not tell the difference between synthetic and dino oil.
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#4489085 - 08/15/17 09:16 AM Re: Anyone do UOAs with different oils [Re: tig1]
AnarchyX Offline


Registered: 06/27/08
Posts: 191
Loc: Texas
Originally Posted By: tig1
Originally Posted By: AnarchyX
Originally Posted By: 2015_PSD
Here are a few:

2010 Ford F-150 FX4 UOAs


Thanks!

Looks like Pennzoil and Mobil synthetics were pretty similar in their numbers.

What's interesting is that Mobil 5000 had similar numbers to Motorcraft Semi-synthetic. Why would that be is Mobil 5000 has no synthetic oil in it?


Blackstone's cheap UOAs can not tell the difference between synthetic and dino oil.


Is there someone else that does UOAs? Are they "better" than Blackstone?

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#4489089 - 08/15/17 09:21 AM Re: Anyone do UOAs with different oils [Re: AnarchyX]
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Seems like Blackstone are the ones that offer more bang for the buck. I bet if you one dig around, one could find some that are really good.
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#4489111 - 08/15/17 09:56 AM Re: Anyone do UOAs with different oils [Re: AnarchyX]
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Registered: 07/03/17
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Loc: Douglas County, Colorado
Originally Posted By: AnarchyX
Originally Posted By: 2015_PSD
Here are a few:

2010 Ford F-150 FX4 UOAs


Thanks!

Looks like Pennzoil and Mobil synthetics were pretty similar in their numbers.

What's interesting is that Mobil 5000 had similar numbers to Motorcraft Semi-synthetic. Why would that be is Mobil 5000 has no synthetic oil in it?

Maybe it is the other way around?

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#4489118 - 08/15/17 10:12 AM Re: Anyone do UOAs with different oils [Re: AnarchyX]
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Registered: 10/23/05
Posts: 7094
Loc: Colorado
In my '04 Jeep Grand Cherokee, 4.0, tested ST Syn, M1, VWB and Amsoil at 5000 miles. I no longer have the UOAs but all wear metals were within 1ppm for all four oils, except the M1 which showed about twice the iron as the other oils. (This is well documented in the 4.0)

Would not hesitate to run any of them that distance.


Did not do a test with Pennzoil.
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#4489122 - 08/15/17 10:18 AM Re: Anyone do UOAs with different oils [Re: AnarchyX]
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Registered: 08/15/08
Posts: 2973
Loc: USA
Are we talking about wear metal numbers being different between oils? A good candidate for that type of testing would be someone who does a lot of interstate driving as that would make for a somewhat consistent set of operating conditions.

But if SuperTech conventional results in 15ppm iron and Amsoil synthetic results in 11ppm iron, is it worth the extra cost to save 4ppm? (Which could be noise or lab error?)

I think the best use of UOAs I've seen to date is on HD earth moving equipment where detecting early signs of component failure can save hundreds of thousands of dollars.

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#4489132 - 08/15/17 10:33 AM Re: Anyone do UOAs with different oils [Re: tig1]
2015_PSD Offline


Registered: 09/26/10
Posts: 7243
Loc: SE Texas
Originally Posted By: tig1
Originally Posted By: AnarchyX
Originally Posted By: 2015_PSD
Here are a few: 2010 Ford F-150 FX4 UOAs
Thanks! Looks like Pennzoil and Mobil synthetics were pretty similar in their numbers. What's interesting is that Mobil 5000 had similar numbers to Motorcraft Semi-synthetic. Why would that be is Mobil 5000 has no synthetic oil in it?
Blackstone's cheap UOAs can not tell the difference between synthetic and dino oil.
To bring things back into context--the engine could not either and that was the whole point of my experiment.

AnarchyX - not sure what you are trying to learn, but modern conventional oils are not those from yesteryear. You can see that I took MS5K out on an OCI much further than many on this site run synthetic and yet the wear metals were nearly the same. Also, for your benefit my FX4 was not a cream puff, it saw regular towing in varying climates and conditions. You also have to remember that UOAs only measure certain sized particles and therefore you cannot really use them to determine wear rates. Particle counts can help with that to a small degree as does trending as I did on the full life of the truck (I traded it at 158K, but the spreadsheet is every UOA performed on every fluid change).
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#4489137 - 08/15/17 10:38 AM Re: Anyone do UOAs with different oils [Re: AnarchyX]
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Registered: 10/30/02
Posts: 35885
Loc: Great Lakes
Originally Posted By: AnarchyX
Originally Posted By: tig1
Originally Posted By: AnarchyX
Originally Posted By: 2015_PSD
Here are a few:

2010 Ford F-150 FX4 UOAs


Thanks!

Looks like Pennzoil and Mobil synthetics were pretty similar in their numbers.

What's interesting is that Mobil 5000 had similar numbers to Motorcraft Semi-synthetic. Why would that be is Mobil 5000 has no synthetic oil in it?


Blackstone's cheap UOAs can not tell the difference between synthetic and dino oil.


Is there someone else that does UOAs? Are they "better" than Blackstone?

Sure, but are you willing to spend hundreds if not thousands of dollars just to confirm if an oil contains synthetic or not?

Also, how do you define synthetic?
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#4489139 - 08/15/17 10:38 AM Re: Anyone do UOAs with different oils [Re: 2015_PSD]
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Registered: 09/21/10
Posts: 6420
Loc: Texas
Know of a GM 5.3L going 400k on Mobil Super bulk - and the entry level filter from the cheapest change.

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#4489141 - 08/15/17 10:40 AM Re: Anyone do UOAs with different oils [Re: 2015_PSD]
AnarchyX Offline


Registered: 06/27/08
Posts: 191
Loc: Texas
Originally Posted By: 2015_PSD
Originally Posted By: tig1
Originally Posted By: AnarchyX
Originally Posted By: 2015_PSD
Here are a few: 2010 Ford F-150 FX4 UOAs
Thanks! Looks like Pennzoil and Mobil synthetics were pretty similar in their numbers. What's interesting is that Mobil 5000 had similar numbers to Motorcraft Semi-synthetic. Why would that be is Mobil 5000 has no synthetic oil in it?
Blackstone's cheap UOAs can not tell the difference between synthetic and dino oil.
To bring things back into context--the engine could not either and that was the whole point of my experiment.

AnarchyX - not sure what you are trying to learn, but modern conventional oils are not those from yesteryear. You can see that I took MS5K out on an OCI much further than many on this site run synthetic and yet the wear metals were nearly the same. Also, for your benefit my FX4 was not a cream puff, it saw regular towing in varying climates and conditions. You also have to remember that UOAs only measure certain sized particles and therefore you cannot really use them to determine wear rates. Particle counts can help with that to a small degree as does trending as I did on the full life of the truck (I traded it at 158K, but the spreadsheet is every UOA performed on every fluid change).


I was just trying to learn if engines actually are affected differently if different oils are used in them, and if they wear down different oils based on what they're made of. And if there was a significant amount of difference in comparison.

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#4489144 - 08/15/17 10:43 AM Re: Anyone do UOAs with different oils [Re: AnarchyX]
Quattro Pete Offline


Registered: 10/30/02
Posts: 35885
Loc: Great Lakes
Just FYI, a $30 UOA's primary purpose is to see if thee are any issues with the engine, and that is best understood by trending analysis over time. Its purpose is not to compare oils.
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#4489167 - 08/15/17 11:06 AM Re: Anyone do UOAs with different oils [Re: AnarchyX]
2015_PSD Offline


Registered: 09/26/10
Posts: 7243
Loc: SE Texas
Originally Posted By: AnarchyX
I was just trying to learn if engines actually are affected differently if different oils are used in them, and if they wear down different oils based on what they're made of. And if there was a significant amount of difference in comparison.
These days, I do not think you are going to find a vast difference in any of the major branded oils. Pick one and run it or pick several and run them--your engine will not care.
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