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#4488015 - 08/14/17 01:10 AM Pao levels of Edge EP vs M1 EP?
andrewp1998 Offline


Registered: 10/18/08
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Anyone know the levels of PAO in Edge EP? How does it compare to m1 EP?

Thanks
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#4488066 - 08/14/17 06:20 AM Re: Pao levels of Edge EP vs M1 EP? [Re: andrewp1998]
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Only Castrol & Mobil know.
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#4488129 - 08/14/17 07:59 AM Re: Pao levels of Edge EP vs M1 EP? [Re: zrxkawboy]
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Originally Posted By: zrxkawboy
Only Castrol & Mobil know.


+1. Only they know for sure.
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#4488143 - 08/14/17 08:22 AM Re: Pao levels of Edge EP vs M1 EP? [Re: andrewp1998]
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It's unknown to us consumers.
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#4488166 - 08/14/17 08:52 AM Re: Pao levels of Edge EP vs M1 EP? [Re: andrewp1998]
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Even a fairly thorough analysis by the PQIA or Russian Oil Club will not speculate as to the base stock composition of retail oils.
I suspect that somebody in the industry could take a good guess at the composition details based upon a really good VOA, but it would still be a guess.
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#4488168 - 08/14/17 08:53 AM Re: Pao levels of Edge EP vs M1 EP? [Re: andrewp1998]
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Registered: 05/17/09
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What grade? It s BIG product lineup. And what do you mean by synthetic? If you don't know why would you care?

5W30EP is not too high on M1 per their MSDS at 20-30% CAS# 68037-01-4

The 0w20 M1 EP appear to be the only Synthetic oil in M1 LINEUP for passenger cars 60-70% CAS# 68037-0104 PAO)

The rest are mainly petroleum oil based group III performance.

Have fun in the oil aisle smile


Edited by ARCOgraphite (08/14/17 08:55 AM)
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#4488174 - 08/14/17 08:58 AM Re: Pao levels of Edge EP vs M1 EP? [Re: andrewp1998]
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I would just try it and see if the car likes it.

I would go for the Magnatec or a Shell product

- I don't like the Ti additive package in anything Ive tried though its supposed to ne plus ultra.
Maybe id like it better on a worn in engine. Never tried it in that application.
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#4488182 - 08/14/17 09:06 AM Re: Pao levels of Edge EP vs M1 EP? [Re: andrewp1998]
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There are pros and cons to higher concentrations, so don't be blinded by % numbers
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#4488192 - 08/14/17 09:16 AM Re: Pao levels of Edge EP vs M1 EP? [Re: andrewp1998]
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Castrol Edge EP 0W20 PP is -38F, M1 EP 0W20 is -54F. Looks like the M1 (at least in 0W20) has more PAO-but only your engine, and UOA trend, will really know for sure which one works better for you, I wouldn't have any issues running either one to 10K in a clean engine.
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#4492330 - 08/18/17 09:43 PM Re: Pao levels of Edge EP vs M1 EP? [Re: andrewp1998]
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Thanks everyone!
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#4492350 - 08/18/17 10:02 PM Re: Pao levels of Edge EP vs M1 EP? [Re: ARCOgraphite]
tig1 Offline


Registered: 01/03/09
Posts: 13723
Loc: Illinois
Originally Posted By: ARCOgraphite
OP

What grade? It s BIG product lineup. And what do you mean by synthetic? If you don't know why would you care?

5W30EP is not too high on M1 per their MSDS at 20-30% CAS# 68037-01-4

The 0w20 M1 EP appear to be the only Synthetic oil in M1 LINEUP for passenger cars 60-70% CAS# 68037-0104 PAO)

The rest are mainly petroleum oil based group III performance.

Have fun in the oil aisle smile


Mostly wrong again.
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#4492357 - 08/18/17 10:14 PM Re: Pao levels of Edge EP vs M1 EP? [Re: tig1]
car51 Offline


Registered: 03/12/15
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Loc: Southwest PA
Originally Posted By: tig1
Originally Posted By: ARCOgraphite
OP

What grade? It s BIG product lineup. And what do you mean by synthetic? If you don't know why would you care?

5W30EP is not too high on M1 per their MSDS at 20-30% CAS# 68037-01-4

The 0w20 M1 EP appear to be the only Synthetic oil in M1 LINEUP for passenger cars 60-70% CAS# 68037-0104 PAO)

The rest are mainly petroleum oil based group III performance.

Have fun in the oil aisle smile


Mostly wrong again.



Yep, good old ARCO talking out of his rear end again; not
Surprising
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#4492363 - 08/18/17 10:21 PM Re: Pao levels of Edge EP vs M1 EP? [Re: bullwinkle]
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Registered: 06/13/16
Posts: 2634
Loc: MN
Originally Posted By: bullwinkle
Castrol Edge EP 0W20 PP is -38F, M1 EP 0W20 is -54F. Looks like the M1 (at least in 0W20) has more PAO-but only your engine, and UOA trend, will really know for sure which one works better for you, I wouldn't have any issues running either one to 10K in a clean engine.


Like ArcoGraphite said above, M1 EP 0w20 does have about 65% PAO (confirmed; I saw the SDS too).
Clever way to compare. Comparing Castrol Edge EP to Mobil by pour point should work well.
Castrol Edge EP 0w20 is actually listed as -43 deg F (not -38F, that figure is for black bottle only).
https://msdspds.castrol.com/bpglis/FusionPDS.nsf/Files/2E0C74C068F96EFC8025814C005E6D47/$File/BPXE-ANUM3J.pdf

I found an MSDS on Edge black bottle 0w20, not their EP one, and it is indeed all GroupIII, no PAO... no surprise.
And Castrol Edge black bottle has a pour point of -38 degF.
Could be Castrol Edge EP gold bottle has very little PAO, based on the pour point comparison (black bottle to gold bottle Edge 0w20's).

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#4492391 - 08/18/17 10:54 PM Re: Pao levels of Edge EP vs M1 EP? [Re: Linctex]
andrewp1998 Offline


Registered: 10/18/08
Posts: 864
Loc: MA USA
Yes, just curious, I used the afe 0w20 and 30 in the past and went longer before I had to top off
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