Recent Topics
New Magnefine Power Steering Filter? R038M-P 3810
by huh
03/24/18 01:30 AM
97 4L60E 213K Miles ~ P1870 Code, Hard 1-2 Shift
by dogememe
03/24/18 01:22 AM
Dump or Pump
by TheLawnRanger
03/23/18 11:38 PM
2007 Corolla; low idle and overheat condition
by Rolla07
03/23/18 11:32 PM
Coolant dye - Interdynamics 375CS Radiator/Coolant
by Ndx
03/23/18 10:15 PM
Amsoil OE
by 02z
03/23/18 09:07 PM
Pennzoil Rebate Question
by klt1986
03/23/18 08:47 PM
Electrician's advice? I need help!
by 14Accent
03/23/18 08:40 PM
Disposing of coolant?
by HoosierJeeper
03/23/18 08:22 PM
Chisel Tattoos.
by Silk
03/23/18 08:06 PM
Transmission stuttering on takeoff?
by zeke1985
03/23/18 07:40 PM
DIY Phone and tablet repairs ?
by Shannow
03/23/18 07:11 PM
Why do women despise other good looking women ?
by Mr Nice
03/23/18 07:09 PM
DIY catch can material?
by yugrus
03/23/18 07:06 PM
UAO Mobil1 AFE 0W20 2015 Malibu 4,995 miles
by gabriel9766
03/23/18 06:49 PM
Replacement Radiator
by Ndx
03/23/18 06:29 PM
Jump-N-Carry JNC318
by Trav
03/23/18 06:13 PM
Remote Transmission Filter
by Nick1994
03/23/18 06:07 PM
How do you like your steak cooked?
by ZZman
03/23/18 05:42 PM
Coolant Question - Can it degrade or go bad?
by maverickfhs
03/23/18 04:12 PM
Newest Members
Nathan75, NXFan, Searay18, bobgafner, Billis59
64536 Registered Users
Who's Online
26 registered (BobsArmory, BrewCityR, Char Baby, Danno, Delta, clarkflower, 2 invisible), 745 Guests and 95 Spiders online.
Key: Admin, Global Mod, Mod
Forum Stats
64536 Members
68 Forums
280332 Topics
4679902 Posts

Max Online: 3590 @ 01/24/17 08:07 PM
Donate to BITOG
Page 1 of 3 1 2 3 >
Topic Options
#4485301 - 08/11/17 01:32 AM Japanese cars and clear coat failure
jj51702 Offline

Registered: 10/07/16
Posts: 187
Loc: California
Why is it that I see so many Japanese cars (mainly Toyota and Honda, Nissan too) where the clear coat seems to be consistently failing. My moms 2007 corolla that was bought new began to have clearcoat failure roughly 5 years into ownership, granted it has been outside all of its life. But I see tons and tons of corollas, accords, Camry, tacomas, etc with bad clear coal out here in California and most of the cars are less than 10 years old.

This issue doesn't seem to plague American manufacturers as much.

What gives? Can this be prevented by consistent waxing?

Edited by jj51702 (08/11/17 01:33 AM)

#4485302 - 08/11/17 01:34 AM Re: Japanese cars and clear coat failure [Re: jj51702]
rooflessVW Offline

Registered: 12/24/11
Posts: 3512
Loc: North Carolina
Single stage paint + apathetic owners + outside parking 24/7.
"Zed's dead baby, Zed's dead."

#4485309 - 08/11/17 02:41 AM Re: Japanese cars and clear coat failure [Re: jj51702]
Garak Offline

Registered: 12/05/09
Posts: 23784
Loc: Regina, Saskatchewan, Canada
Up here, we don't see that as often. I've actually been more impressed with the finishes I've seen from that era than previous to that. But, we get nowhere near the sun or heat of California. Sure, we see a few disasters, but not like it used to be, with various trucks losing paint down to the primer, not to mention the horrible rust.
Plain, simple Garak.

2008 Infiniti G37 - Shell ROTELLA T6 Multi-Vehicle 5w-30, NAPA Gold 7356
1984 F-150 4.9L - Quaker State GB 10w-30, Wix 51515

#4485316 - 08/11/17 03:07 AM Re: Japanese cars and clear coat failure [Re: jj51702]
FermeLaPorte Offline

Registered: 07/25/17
Posts: 375
Loc: Texas (south)
Gotta give your cars a little love, man. Which car wouldn't just fade away with that ownership?
Always Mobil 1
2014 1.6L Nissan Versa Sedan, 5 spd, 5k OCI.
2011 3.5L Chevrolet Impala, Automatic, 5k OCI.

#4485320 - 08/11/17 03:23 AM Re: Japanese cars and clear coat failure [Re: jj51702]
PimTac Offline

Registered: 03/04/17
Posts: 3033
Loc: Soviet State of Washington
I've owned vehicles from Mitsubishi and Toyota. Never had any issues. There were rumors back in the 90's that Mitsubishi used thin paint coats. I still hear those rumors today on most Japanese brands. Besides a couple of rock chips, the exterior of my vehicles looked excellent.

I like to keep my cars clean and protected. There are so many good paint sealants and waxes out there along with coatings now that have UVA and UVB protection. I would always use a good coat of whatever you prefer. Check the labels for the uv protection.
2017 Mazda CX-5 GT. Idemitsu 0w-20 factory fill. Factory Denso filter.

#4485335 - 08/11/17 05:17 AM Re: Japanese cars and clear coat failure [Re: jj51702]
Smoky14 Offline

Registered: 04/23/03
Posts: 1320
Loc: Nowhere NM
Maybe the kid at the dealership applying the "$700.00 poly-wonder sealant" with a buffer and removing most of the clear coat at the same time.


99 Acura 2.3CL 5speed MT
12 Ford Fusion 2.5S 6speed MT
05 Suzuki Bandit 1200.

#4485337 - 08/11/17 05:28 AM Re: Japanese cars and clear coat failure [Re: jj51702]
wemay Offline

Registered: 04/04/12
Posts: 8399
Loc: Southeast Florida
Not around here.
17 Sonata 2.4 | M1 5W-20 | OEM | WIX
13 Santa Fe 2.0T | M1 5W-30 | OEM | WIX
18 HR-V 1.5, CVT | Dealer 0W-20 | OEM | OEM (Mom's)

#4485347 - 08/11/17 06:05 AM Re: Japanese cars and clear coat failure [Re: rooflessVW]
LoneRanger Offline

Registered: 07/02/07
Posts: 3891
Loc: Midwest USA
Originally Posted By: rooflessVW
Single stage paint + apathetic owners + outside parking 24/7.


Love my Forester but the paint is thin and will feather scratch and swirl mark much too easily. Doesn't help that's a dark color.

'09 Subaru Forester ...................(QSED DEXOS1 5W30)
'16 Moto Guzzi Stelvio 1200 .....(ENI i-Ride PG 10W60)

#4485391 - 08/11/17 07:21 AM Re: Japanese cars and clear coat failure [Re: jj51702]
E150GT Offline

Registered: 03/11/12
Posts: 1020
Loc: San Antonio, TX
My wife's 2012 Yaris roof is already oxidizing. Its been waxed once
1984 Mercedes-Benz 300SD - 100k
1995 F150 XL 4.9 reg cab 5 speed - 247k 5w30
2016 Mazda 6 manual 6speed - 46k 5w30

#4485396 - 08/11/17 07:27 AM Re: Japanese cars and clear coat failure [Re: E150GT]
SatinSilver Offline

Registered: 01/24/08
Posts: 9500
Loc: OH
The 05 Matrix has spent half of it's life outdoors. The color is silver but looks great. Prob since the finish is waxed regularly. Located in the rust belt as well but no visible rust. Darker colors seem to be a different story.
2012 Toyota Camry 72k-Idemitsu 0w20,OEM filter, RT43s.
2005 Toyota Matrix 135k miles - VWB 5w30 conv, Valvoline oil filter. Nokian eNTYRES.

#4485398 - 08/11/17 07:34 AM Re: Japanese cars and clear coat failure [Re: jj51702]
HerrStig Offline

Registered: 08/24/11
Posts: 9560
Loc: Boston, MA
Worst failures I have seen were on certain Fords.

Edited by HerrStig (08/11/17 07:34 AM)

#4485400 - 08/11/17 07:35 AM Re: Japanese cars and clear coat failure [Re: rooflessVW]
Cujet Offline

Registered: 02/15/03
Posts: 6855
Loc: Jupiter, Florida
Originally Posted By: rooflessVW
Single stage paint + apathetic owners + outside parking 24/7.


Here in South Florida, it's clear that just about brand suffers over time if parked outside during the day.

I work in the aviation world, we have some of the best paints available. None make it more than 6 years outside. Cars are no different. The degradation starts immediately. The bright sun is very powerful this far South.

In fact, my brand new Charcoal VW Jetta was in the shop for 5 or 6 weeks, awaiting parts. The clear coat had lost it's showroom new watery gloss over that time. Even the shop manager noticed it and offered to buff the car out. Which helped a good bit.

The addition of UV blockers and other additives helps immensely. But UV, heat and time take their toll.

#4485441 - 08/11/17 08:22 AM Re: Japanese cars and clear coat failure [Re: rooflessVW]
Ducked Offline

Registered: 10/25/12
Posts: 3846
Loc: Taiwan
Originally Posted By: rooflessVW
Single stage paint + apathetic owners + outside parking 24/7.

Dunno what single stage paint means (and am too apathetic to try and find out) but my cars paint scheme definitely included primer because I can see there is still quite a lot of it left.

If there was any clear coat it was before my time.

#4485452 - 08/11/17 08:30 AM Re: Japanese cars and clear coat failure [Re: jj51702]
Rolla07 Offline

Registered: 11/05/11
Posts: 4568
My 07 has no issues so id assume its the sun. I am seeing a bit of bubbling paint on the lower rocker panels though. Thing is, around here not many cars on the road from before 07, so hard to say if domestics fare better. They might be rust free sitting in the scrap yard for other reasons..
2007 Corolla Red Pearl 151k miles
Castrol Magnatec 0w20 & Napa Proselect

#4485459 - 08/11/17 08:38 AM Re: Japanese cars and clear coat failure [Re: jj51702]
jeepman3071 Offline

Registered: 04/15/10
Posts: 4048
Loc: Storrs, Connecticut
Around here the bigger problem is rust, but we do see clear coat issues as well.

There are 3 Hondas in my family.

2011 Honda Fit - 70k
2003 Acura 3.2TL - 125k
2005 Honda Civic - 230k

All of them have some rust developing, the Civic almost has a hole in the rear fender. All cars are washed and waxed fairly regularly, and more in the winter. The Fit is garaged, the Acura came from Florida two years ago, and both have some small rust bubbles. I've talked to a few different paint shops and one said Japanese cars have weaker paint than German and American cars. He said there were different paint corrections he could only do on German/American vehicles. Not sure how true that is, since I'm not a paint guru.

I do find it interesting, because while the paint might be showing signs of rust on my family's Hondas, the undercarriage and everything else is very clean. I did brakes on a friend's mom's 2009 Ford Escape the other day. It has about 90k miles on it, and is hardly ever washed. The red paint is in fantastic shape, but the undercarriage and exhaust is completely crusty with rust.
2000 Jeep Cherokee Sport 4.0L (178k) - Pennzoil HM 5w30, Napa Gold 1516, Magnefine trans filter

Page 1 of 3 1 2 3 >