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#4475444 - 07/31/17 10:57 AM JB ENGINE OIL SUPPLEMENT
JHogan Offline


Registered: 07/04/14
Posts: 152
Loc: Ohio, United States
Hello Guys. Before I say this I know I know "Don't worry about additives just use the cheapest quality oil that meets the specs of the engine". Now that is said. I currently work for an independent shop. The owner is very knowledge able and an AMSOIL dealer. Loves AMSOIL and JB products. He has been using JB products for 30 years with out having any issues. The JB rep came in the shop the other day with a new product. Its called ENGINE OIL SUPPLEMENT. He also brought in a bearing friction test machine, where an electric motor spins a bearing and a metal bar is applied with weight until it stalls out. I've never seen this before. He used oil from around the shop amsoil, Pennzoil, mobil etc. On the second plate of weight the bearing stalled out with all the oil ok. He then applied this oil supplement to the various oils (also did the same thing with the engine tune up) and the was able to put maybe 6 more plates on with out it stalling. Does this test make sense? Is there any value to this product? What are the potential issues that could arise? It was an impressive test. But it may only be impressive to myself and the techs in the shop because maybe we do not understand what is really happening. Any information or explanation would be helpful as I'm really trying to learn all I can. I have common sense but I'm no engineer and admit when I'm ignorant.
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#4475468 - 07/31/17 11:22 AM Re: JB ENGINE OIL SUPPLEMENT [Re: JHogan]
old1 Offline


Registered: 01/04/11
Posts: 1001
Loc: Columbus Nebraska
Is it thick like STP? Or Lucas?
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#4475476 - 07/31/17 11:28 AM Re: JB ENGINE OIL SUPPLEMENT [Re: JHogan]
oldoak2000 Offline


Registered: 07/23/14
Posts: 119
Loc: North TEXAS
Originally Posted By: JHogan
Hello Guys. Before I say this I know I know "Don't worry about additives just use the cheapest quality oil that meets the specs of the engine". Now that is said. I currently work for an independent shop. The owner is very knowledge able and an AMSOIL dealer. Loves AMSOIL and JB products. He has been using JB products for 30 years with out having any issues. The JB rep came in the shop the other day with a new product. Its called ENGINE OIL SUPPLEMENT. He also brought in a bearing friction test machine, where an electric motor spins a bearing and a metal bar is applied with weight until it stalls out. I've never seen this before. He used oil from around the shop amsoil, Pennzoil, mobil etc. On the second plate of weight the bearing stalled out with all the oil ok. He then applied this oil supplement to the various oils (also did the same thing with the engine tune up) and the was able to put maybe 6 more plates on with out it stalling. Does this test make sense? Is there any value to this product? What are the potential issues that could arise? It was an impressive test. But it may only be impressive to myself and the techs in the shop because maybe we do not understand what is really happening. Any information or explanation would be helpful as I'm really trying to learn all I can. I have common sense but I'm no engineer and admit when I'm ignorant.


Gimmick.
Waste of money.
As long as your oil-pump works and you have 'something' in the sump, your engine will never encounter the above.

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#4475482 - 07/31/17 11:35 AM Re: JB ENGINE OIL SUPPLEMENT [Re: JHogan]
Yah-Tah-Hey Offline


Registered: 05/26/14
Posts: 3413
Loc: Columbus,Nebraska
Top flight engine oils DON'T need supplements. One could comfortably retire with the $$$ spent on lubricants and additives after a demonstration of a machine like you are referring to. In reality, testing the reduction in wear in an engine using this and that additives versus just using a top flight crankcase oil would cost big buck and involve weighing engine components before and after a run on a test stand. Stick with the major oils and save your dollars for regular maintenance.

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#4475521 - 07/31/17 12:24 PM Re: JB ENGINE OIL SUPPLEMENT [Re: JHogan]
SirTanon Offline


Registered: 06/23/14
Posts: 2162
Loc: Phoenix, Arizona - USA
Sounds like he did a 'Timken test', which is frequently used to sell 'snake oil' supplements.

Use a good oil, skip the supplement.
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#4475532 - 07/31/17 12:36 PM Re: JB ENGINE OIL SUPPLEMENT [Re: JHogan]
69GTX Offline


Registered: 09/23/15
Posts: 3815
Loc: Connecticut
You should have tried dish washing liquid on his machine. It may have performed better than ALL the engine oils and oil supplements.
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#4475538 - 07/31/17 12:41 PM Re: JB ENGINE OIL SUPPLEMENT [Re: old1]
JHogan Offline


Registered: 07/04/14
Posts: 152
Loc: Ohio, United States
Originally Posted By: old1
Is it thick like STP? Or Lucas?
It is not very liquidy.
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#4475580 - 07/31/17 01:06 PM Re: JB ENGINE OIL SUPPLEMENT [Re: JHogan]
old1 Offline


Registered: 01/04/11
Posts: 1001
Loc: Columbus Nebraska
Liquidy??
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#4475582 - 07/31/17 01:11 PM Re: JB ENGINE OIL SUPPLEMENT [Re: old1]
JHogan Offline


Registered: 07/04/14
Posts: 152
Loc: Ohio, United States
Originally Posted By: old1
Liquidy??
Very low viscosity, like water, not like lucas honey.
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#4475592 - 07/31/17 01:19 PM Re: JB ENGINE OIL SUPPLEMENT [Re: JHogan]
PeterPolyol Offline


Registered: 03/06/16
Posts: 1345
Loc: toronto
Wow. I feel like the JB rep came into my shop with a new product... cool

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#4475612 - 07/31/17 01:36 PM Re: JB ENGINE OIL SUPPLEMENT [Re: JHogan]
AirgunSavant Offline


Registered: 07/22/15
Posts: 3772
Loc: MD
What have you learned from above when nobody has any experience whatsoever with the product?
Just keeping it real. You have more experience than my post and all of the above smile

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#4475674 - 07/31/17 02:43 PM Re: JB ENGINE OIL SUPPLEMENT [Re: JHogan]
MotoTribologist Offline


Registered: 02/03/16
Posts: 562
Loc: NJ, USA
The test is a gimmick known as the "one arm bandit". It tells nothing of a product's actual performance. It used to be a lever arm that you would manually push before the "weighted arm" was made standard.

Interesting your shop does both Amsoil and JB because Amsoil did a decent video debunking it:


Edited by MotoTribologist (07/31/17 02:44 PM)

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#4475678 - 07/31/17 02:48 PM Re: JB ENGINE OIL SUPPLEMENT [Re: JHogan]
steve20 Offline


Registered: 06/19/07
Posts: 3475
Loc: Morris County NJ
Jhogan---the situation demonstrated with the JB vs other oils does not occur in an engine. In addition to dishwashing liquid, I also heard plain ole bleach does very well in the one arm bandit test
Steve
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#4475682 - 07/31/17 02:52 PM Re: JB ENGINE OIL SUPPLEMENT [Re: MotoTribologist]
TheKracken Offline


Registered: 04/18/17
Posts: 515
Loc: Fort Worth TX
Originally Posted By: MotoTribologist
The test is a gimmick known as the "one arm bandit". It tells nothing of a product's actual performance. It used to be a lever arm that you would manually push before the "weighted arm" was made standard.

Interesting your shop does both Amsoil and JB because Amsoil did a decent video debunking it:


I run head and shoulders with almond oil extract in all of my engines! After my standard oci it is still good enough to run in my wifes hair wink
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#4475723 - 07/31/17 03:53 PM Re: JB ENGINE OIL SUPPLEMENT [Re: JHogan]
Linctex Offline


Registered: 12/31/16
Posts: 6178
Loc: Waco, TX
The "One armed Bandit" sells another can of JB!!

I also bought one can after getting the demo back in 1991. Never bothered to try to find it later.
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