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JB ENGINE OIL SUPPLEMENT #4475444
07/31/17 10:57 AM
07/31/17 10:57 AM
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Ohio, United States
JHogan Offline OP
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Hello Guys. Before I say this I know I know "Don't worry about additives just use the cheapest quality oil that meets the specs of the engine". Now that is said. I currently work for an independent shop. The owner is very knowledge able and an AMSOIL dealer. Loves AMSOIL and JB products. He has been using JB products for 30 years with out having any issues. The JB rep came in the shop the other day with a new product. Its called ENGINE OIL SUPPLEMENT. He also brought in a bearing friction test machine, where an electric motor spins a bearing and a metal bar is applied with weight until it stalls out. I've never seen this before. He used oil from around the shop amsoil, Pennzoil, mobil etc. On the second plate of weight the bearing stalled out with all the oil ok. He then applied this oil supplement to the various oils (also did the same thing with the engine tune up) and the was able to put maybe 6 more plates on with out it stalling. Does this test make sense? Is there any value to this product? What are the potential issues that could arise? It was an impressive test. But it may only be impressive to myself and the techs in the shop because maybe we do not understand what is really happening. Any information or explanation would be helpful as I'm really trying to learn all I can. I have common sense but I'm no engineer and admit when I'm ignorant.


"There is no certainty, only opportunity. The past cannot hurt you anymore unless you let it.
2000 Honda Accord EX Formula Shell Syn/Blend 5W30
2011 Chevy Cruze 1.4 turbo P4 5w30 P4 Ultra 5W30


Re: JB ENGINE OIL SUPPLEMENT [Re: JHogan] #4475468
07/31/17 11:22 AM
07/31/17 11:22 AM
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Columbus Nebraska
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Columbus Nebraska
Is it thick like STP? Or Lucas?


2017 Nissan Frontier 4.0 5w30
1965 Mustang 200 c/4 10w30 QS defy
1964 Ford Ranchero 302 c/4 15/40 Delo
1929 ford model A No filters, and 15/40 oil
Re: JB ENGINE OIL SUPPLEMENT [Re: JHogan] #4475476
07/31/17 11:28 AM
07/31/17 11:28 AM
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North TEXAS
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North TEXAS
Originally Posted By: JHogan
Hello Guys. Before I say this I know I know "Don't worry about additives just use the cheapest quality oil that meets the specs of the engine". Now that is said. I currently work for an independent shop. The owner is very knowledge able and an AMSOIL dealer. Loves AMSOIL and JB products. He has been using JB products for 30 years with out having any issues. The JB rep came in the shop the other day with a new product. Its called ENGINE OIL SUPPLEMENT. He also brought in a bearing friction test machine, where an electric motor spins a bearing and a metal bar is applied with weight until it stalls out. I've never seen this before. He used oil from around the shop amsoil, Pennzoil, mobil etc. On the second plate of weight the bearing stalled out with all the oil ok. He then applied this oil supplement to the various oils (also did the same thing with the engine tune up) and the was able to put maybe 6 more plates on with out it stalling. Does this test make sense? Is there any value to this product? What are the potential issues that could arise? It was an impressive test. But it may only be impressive to myself and the techs in the shop because maybe we do not understand what is really happening. Any information or explanation would be helpful as I'm really trying to learn all I can. I have common sense but I'm no engineer and admit when I'm ignorant.


Gimmick.
Waste of money.
As long as your oil-pump works and you have 'something' in the sump, your engine will never encounter the above.

Re: JB ENGINE OIL SUPPLEMENT [Re: JHogan] #4475482
07/31/17 11:35 AM
07/31/17 11:35 AM
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Columbus,Nebraska
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Top flight engine oils DON'T need supplements. One could comfortably retire with the $$$ spent on lubricants and additives after a demonstration of a machine like you are referring to. In reality, testing the reduction in wear in an engine using this and that additives versus just using a top flight crankcase oil would cost big buck and involve weighing engine components before and after a run on a test stand. Stick with the major oils and save your dollars for regular maintenance.

Re: JB ENGINE OIL SUPPLEMENT [Re: JHogan] #4475521
07/31/17 12:24 PM
07/31/17 12:24 PM
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Phoenix, Arizona - USA
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Sounds like he did a 'Timken test', which is frequently used to sell 'snake oil' supplements.

Use a good oil, skip the supplement.


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2014 Nissan Altima SL - 2.5 liter/CVT - 56,000mi
Re: JB ENGINE OIL SUPPLEMENT [Re: JHogan] #4475532
07/31/17 12:36 PM
07/31/17 12:36 PM
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Connecticut
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You should have tried dish washing liquid on his machine. It may have performed better than ALL the engine oils and oil supplements.


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1999 Camaro SS M6 /19K /Mobil 1 0w40 /Fram UG /GM MTL-ATF
1969 Ply GTX/RRs
Re: JB ENGINE OIL SUPPLEMENT [Re: old1] #4475538
07/31/17 12:41 PM
07/31/17 12:41 PM
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Ohio, United States
JHogan Offline OP
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Originally Posted By: old1
Is it thick like STP? Or Lucas?
It is not very liquidy.


"There is no certainty, only opportunity. The past cannot hurt you anymore unless you let it.
2000 Honda Accord EX Formula Shell Syn/Blend 5W30
2011 Chevy Cruze 1.4 turbo P4 5w30 P4 Ultra 5W30


Re: JB ENGINE OIL SUPPLEMENT [Re: JHogan] #4475580
07/31/17 01:06 PM
07/31/17 01:06 PM
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Columbus Nebraska
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Liquidy??


2017 Nissan Frontier 4.0 5w30
1965 Mustang 200 c/4 10w30 QS defy
1964 Ford Ranchero 302 c/4 15/40 Delo
1929 ford model A No filters, and 15/40 oil
Re: JB ENGINE OIL SUPPLEMENT [Re: old1] #4475582
07/31/17 01:11 PM
07/31/17 01:11 PM
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Posts: 152
Ohio, United States
JHogan Offline OP
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Ohio, United States
Originally Posted By: old1
Liquidy??
Very low viscosity, like water, not like lucas honey.


"There is no certainty, only opportunity. The past cannot hurt you anymore unless you let it.
2000 Honda Accord EX Formula Shell Syn/Blend 5W30
2011 Chevy Cruze 1.4 turbo P4 5w30 P4 Ultra 5W30


Re: JB ENGINE OIL SUPPLEMENT [Re: JHogan] #4475592
07/31/17 01:19 PM
07/31/17 01:19 PM
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toronto
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Wow. I feel like the JB rep came into my shop with a new product... cool

Re: JB ENGINE OIL SUPPLEMENT [Re: JHogan] #4475612
07/31/17 01:36 PM
07/31/17 01:36 PM
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MD
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What have you learned from above when nobody has any experience whatsoever with the product?
Just keeping it real. You have more experience than my post and all of the above smile

Re: JB ENGINE OIL SUPPLEMENT [Re: JHogan] #4475674
07/31/17 02:43 PM
07/31/17 02:43 PM
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NJ, USA
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The test is a gimmick known as the "one arm bandit". It tells nothing of a product's actual performance. It used to be a lever arm that you would manually push before the "weighted arm" was made standard.

Interesting your shop does both Amsoil and JB because Amsoil did a decent video debunking it:

Last edited by MotoTribologist; 07/31/17 02:44 PM.
Re: JB ENGINE OIL SUPPLEMENT [Re: JHogan] #4475678
07/31/17 02:48 PM
07/31/17 02:48 PM
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Morris County NJ
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Jhogan---the situation demonstrated with the JB vs other oils does not occur in an engine. In addition to dishwashing liquid, I also heard plain ole bleach does very well in the one arm bandit test
Steve



Re: JB ENGINE OIL SUPPLEMENT [Re: MotoTribologist] #4475682
07/31/17 02:52 PM
07/31/17 02:52 PM
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Fort Worth TX
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Fort Worth TX
Originally Posted By: MotoTribologist
The test is a gimmick known as the "one arm bandit". It tells nothing of a product's actual performance. It used to be a lever arm that you would manually push before the "weighted arm" was made standard.

Interesting your shop does both Amsoil and JB because Amsoil did a decent video debunking it:


I run head and shoulders with almond oil extract in all of my engines! After my standard oci it is still good enough to run in my wifes hair wink


2011 Prius 96k miles RLI 5w20
97 Toy T100 4x4: amsoil 0w20 242k Miles
04 Toy Sienna awd: Pennzoil 0w20 281k Miles
Re: JB ENGINE OIL SUPPLEMENT [Re: JHogan] #4475723
07/31/17 03:53 PM
07/31/17 03:53 PM
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Waco, TX
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The "One armed Bandit" sells another can of JB!!

I also bought one can after getting the demo back in 1991. Never bothered to try to find it later.


"The evidence demands a verdict".
(Re:VOA)"it's nearly impossible to actually know the particular additives that are in there at what concentrations."
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