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#4453502 - 07/08/17 02:44 PM Wrong Oil Filter
C4Dave Offline


Registered: 04/25/04
Posts: 501
Loc: Tennessee
I recently purchased a 2002 Ford Expedition with the 4.6 V-8. Changed the oil and filter today and discovered that the old filter was significantly smaller than the new filter. The old filter had been in place for 5000 miles.

Went to Fram's website and compared the specs. The small filter is rated at 10-12 gpm flow and relief valve setting of 9-12 psi. The correct filter was rated at 11-13 gpm and relief of 12 psi.

Thread size was identical and gasket size was within about 1 mm. The small filter was not leaking when removed.

The new filter is speced for many GM and Dodge vehicles, among others. Some of the models include the GM 5.3 and Dodge 5.7 V-8's.

Being smaller, it was certainly easier to remove. With the large filter the front wheels have to be turned to clear the pitman arm.

Any reason I shouldn't use the smaller filter going forward?

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#4453515 - 07/08/17 02:57 PM Re: Wrong Oil Filter [Re: C4Dave]
Donald Offline


Registered: 03/21/04
Posts: 20469
Loc: Upstate NY
I would use the recommended filter big or small. Probably would not matter but I like to use the proper part.
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#4453530 - 07/08/17 03:12 PM Re: Wrong Oil Filter [Re: Donald]
Kira Offline


Registered: 08/19/10
Posts: 5257
Loc: Champlain/Hudson Valley
+1 on the proper part. Motorcraft FL820S, no?.

Look up what WIX and Hastings have listed for that application.

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#4453543 - 07/08/17 03:26 PM Re: Wrong Oil Filter [Re: C4Dave]
Panzerman Offline


Registered: 12/16/06
Posts: 4203
Loc: Port Orange, Florida
What you were seeing is the new Ford filter alot of oil change places are using. I think it's the FL500 filter.
It's sort of a one filter fits all Fords so it cuts on inventory. Being that I had alot of 4.6 L Fords. The 820S is the correct filter but the new smaller filter will suffice. I found out about all this when I bought my Ford F150 with the 5.4 L engine and found the small filter and was exactly like you [censored]. I researched it and it's what I found out.
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#4453547 - 07/08/17 03:32 PM Re: Wrong Oil Filter [Re: C4Dave]
Eddie Offline


Registered: 12/07/03
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I am also of the opinion that one should used the recommended filter. Ed
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#4453555 - 07/08/17 03:42 PM Re: Wrong Oil Filter [Re: C4Dave]
C4Dave Offline


Registered: 04/25/04
Posts: 501
Loc: Tennessee
On Fram's site, it doesn't list any Ford applications for the small filter. Part # is PH10060. Mostly GM, Chrysler/Dodge/Jeep, and several other makes. But no Ford's, not that it really matters.


Edited by C4Dave (07/08/17 03:47 PM)

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#4453558 - 07/08/17 03:50 PM Re: Wrong Oil Filter [Re: C4Dave]
bdcardinal Offline


Registered: 06/03/05
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FL-820S is the filter you should be using. A lot of quick lubes use the equivalent of the FL-500S. FWIW we have had a couple engines go south that had the wrong filter installed by a quick lube and the quick lube ended up paying for it. Ford's opinion was the wrong filter was installed regardless of what their interchange said.
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#4453621 - 07/08/17 05:27 PM Re: Wrong Oil Filter [Re: C4Dave]
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Registered: 12/31/16
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Loc: Waco, TX
The "FL-500" size filter you took off (Fram TG and XG 10575) will eventually phase out the FL-820 size filter (Fram TG2 and XG2)

You have nothing to worry about.
The smaller filter is used on the Coyote engines in the Mustangs - your engine puts out maybe 1/3 the HP theirs do!

Here's a TG10575 (the small one you have nothing to worry about) that was run for 15,000 miles:
https://bobistheoilguy.com/forums/ubbthreads.php/topics/4426839/


Edited by Linctex (07/08/17 05:28 PM)
Edit Reason: darn typos
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#4453671 - 07/08/17 06:27 PM Re: Wrong Oil Filter [Re: C4Dave]
Panzerman Offline


Registered: 12/16/06
Posts: 4203
Loc: Port Orange, Florida
I don't think they will phase out the XG2/820s type filters because now that Dodge switched to metric threads that's also the same filter for thier Hemi line of motors.
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#4453674 - 07/08/17 06:29 PM Re: Wrong Oil Filter [Re: C4Dave]
Panzerman Offline


Registered: 12/16/06
Posts: 4203
Loc: Port Orange, Florida
I have a company truck with the 4.6 motor and have to get the oil changed at Firestone and it's the small filter in it. 230,000 miles and still going but also a reason I like changing my own oil too.
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#4453791 - 07/08/17 08:46 PM Re: Wrong Oil Filter [Re: C4Dave]
WellOiled Offline


Registered: 10/03/15
Posts: 1358
Loc: Houston, Texas
^^^^^^
The last time I used Firestone, they used the wrong viscosity oil. They also used a Firestone TF-4651. It was my first eCore on the Ranger. Firestone did make it right. I don't trust them any more.

The eCore with combo valve loses ADBV function in less than 3000 miles. The Ranger does not seem to care.

I think your 4.6L would do better with an independent ADBV.
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#4453830 - 07/08/17 09:40 PM Re: Wrong Oil Filter [Re: C4Dave]
merconvvv Offline


Registered: 07/10/16
Posts: 682
Loc: il usa
Buy some fl 820s at walmart and carry them in the vehicle.
Thats what i do. They are a bargain. Pain to get on off sometimes.
Smaller one probably a lot easier.
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#4453884 - 07/08/17 10:46 PM Re: Wrong Oil Filter [Re: Panzerman]
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Registered: 08/25/03
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Originally Posted By: Panzerman
I don't think they will phase out the XG2/820s type filters because now that Dodge switched to metric threads that's also the same filter for thier Hemi line of motors.


All the Hemi 5.7 and 6.4's with the exception of a few SRT engines, have gone over to a smaller FRAM PH10060 size equivalent filter. FL820 may fit and is what I ran in my 2015 RAM, but it is not cataloged for FCA Hemi engines.
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#4453930 - 07/08/17 11:59 PM Re: Wrong Oil Filter [Re: C4Dave]
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Registered: 10/13/14
Posts: 2330
Loc: San Antonio, TX
Only true for 2013 and later MY Ram Hemi with electric power steering. My 2012 MY Ram Hemi and earlier years not spec'd for the MO-090 (PH16 equivalent) are spec'd for MO -899 (PH2 equivalent) I think it was 2009 MY the switch from SAE thread to metric thread began.


Edited by Nyogtha (07/08/17 11:59 PM)
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#4453936 - 07/09/17 12:16 AM Re: Wrong Oil Filter [Re: Nyogtha]
dnastrau Offline


Registered: 12/13/06
Posts: 406
Loc: PA
Originally Posted By: Nyogtha
Only true for 2013 and later MY Ram Hemi with electric power steering. My 2012 MY Ram Hemi and earlier years not spec'd for the MO-090 (PH16 equivalent) are spec'd for MO -899 (PH2 equivalent) I think it was 2009 MY the switch from SAE thread to metric thread began.


Our '08 Jeep Commander 4.7 has the metric threads so it takes the MO-899 and equivalents (FL820S, PH2, etc.) The owner's manual states that as well. Maybe '08 was a transition year as I have seen application listings showing both the SAE and metric threaded filters for '08 on the 4.7 and 5.7.

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