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55gallons of m1 #4440901
06/25/17 07:29 AM
06/25/17 07:29 AM
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Sav ga
NStuart Offline OP
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I have access to a 10 year old 55 gallon drum of m1. 0w? I think its 0w50 , I want to say the drum says HTC or something I will have to look again.
Any concern for additive drop out, other than rolling the drum or flipping it mixing the bottom would prove difficult


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Re: 55gallons of m1 [Re: NStuart] #4440915
06/25/17 07:45 AM
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Yes you will most likely have additive fall out I've seen it, some how you need to mix that barrel, that's why I don't like getting oil form a large container like that. Check on line I think they make barrel mixers for 55's


"Always"....Mobil 1

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Re: 55gallons of m1 [Re: NStuart] #4440916
06/25/17 07:46 AM
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What are you going to use it in?


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Re: 55gallons of m1 [Re: NStuart] #4440926
06/25/17 07:58 AM
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Forget about it. Do yourself a favor and avoid the physical and mental drama this will turn into.


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Re: 55gallons of m1 [Re: NStuart] #4440936
06/25/17 08:06 AM
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Have another look at the labeling on that drum.
HTC is a Schaeffer's product while SHC is a Mobil one.
Neither is suitable nor intended for IC engine use.
There is an M1R 0W-50 that is specifically not recommended for street use, although the PDS doesn't give enough detail to determine why this might be the case. SAPS is 1.3% and the verbiage indicates high levels of anti-wear protection which might be code for lots of ZDDP. HTHS is listed as 3.8, so not frighteningly high.
IIRC, there is an M1 0W-50 PCMO available in other markets but I've never seen it here.
Finally, unless you have a real need for a really thick oil, the only reason to buy this drum would be if it were a steal, like $300.00 or less. You can get M1 in jugs for less than two bucks a quart AMIR at least a couple of times each year and the 55 gal container isn't exactly a convenient package size to handle.


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Re: 55gallons of m1 [Re: skyactiv] #4440946
06/25/17 08:26 AM
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Originally Posted By: skyactiv
Forget about it. Do yourself a favor and avoid the physical and mental drama this will turn into.


Amen.


Greggy D.

Re: 55gallons of m1 [Re: NStuart] #4440950
06/25/17 08:34 AM
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roll the barrel, and start using.


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Re: 55gallons of m1 [Re: NStuart] #4440955
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NStuart Offline OP
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It would be free, I will get more info off of it, a friend of mine seems to think it says something about Canada on it, I'll try to get more info ASAP


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Re: 55gallons of m1 [Re: NStuart] #4440974
06/25/17 09:13 AM
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you could always send in a virgin oil sample to test and see what the additives are like.


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Re: 55gallons of m1 [Re: NStuart] #4440997
06/25/17 09:38 AM
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It's FREEEEEEEEEEE!!!! YaYY!!

Just check to make sure no water on the bottom.


"The evidence demands a verdict".
(Re:VOA)"it's nearly impossible to actually know the particular additives that are in there at what concentrations."
Re: 55gallons of m1 [Re: mcrn] #4441025
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Originally Posted By: mcrn
you could always send in a virgin oil sample to test and see what the additives are like.


Not if some of them are stuck to the bottom.

I had a 20 yr old bottle of M1 15w-50 out on the garage. After using most of if it for a flushing oil, I noticed a big pile of chunky, dark deposits on the bottom. Those didn't come no matter how hard or long I shook the bottle. I finally got a 12" long file with a pointy end and started poking at the stuff. It was still very hard to get off. Took about 10 min of playing with it to get most of the chunks broke free....though no idea if they dissolved. If you're trying to do this with a 55 gall drum, good luck.


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Re: 55gallons of m1 [Re: 69GTX] #4441062
06/25/17 11:07 AM
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Originally Posted By: 69GTX
Originally Posted By: mcrn
you could always send in a virgin oil sample to test and see what the additives are like.


Not if some of them are stuck to the bottom.

I had a 20 yr old bottle of M1 15w-50 out on the garage. After using most of if it for a flushing oil, I noticed a big pile of chunky, dark deposits on the bottom. Those didn't come no matter how hard or long I shook the bottle. I finally got a 12" long file with a pointy end and started poking at the stuff. It was still very hard to get off. Took about 10 min of playing with it to get most of the chunks broke free....though no idea if they dissolved. If you're trying to do this with a 55 gall drum, good luck.




Ok maybe I did not get my point across correctly......he could get a virgin oil analysis to see what was suspended still in the oil.


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Re: 55gallons of m1 [Re: mcrn] #4441156
06/25/17 01:02 PM
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Exactly.
55 gallons of free oil is worth a $20.00 VOA to show what's in it and whether it would be suitable for use, not what's stuck to the bottom of the drum.


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01 Focus ZX3 118K PP 5W-20
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Re: 55gallons of m1 [Re: 69GTX] #4441162
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Originally Posted By: 69GTX
Those didn't come no matter how hard or long I shook the bottle. Took about 10 min of playing with it to get most of the chunks broke free....though no idea if they dissolved.


Amazing..... I have never experienced anything similar with jug of new oil. No matter how long they sat....

and even then, the amount of the bottom was just a "trace".


"The evidence demands a verdict".
(Re:VOA)"it's nearly impossible to actually know the particular additives that are in there at what concentrations."
Re: 55gallons of m1 [Re: Linctex] #4441398
06/25/17 05:57 PM
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I haven't seen this either and I have a stash of more than 300 qts and have maintained one for years, long before I came here.
Sonofjoe has posted that the sludge on the bottom is probably moly which he has written has poor solubility.
It may be that better oils have less problem with additives falling out of suspension, or it may be that low or no moly oils don't show additive fallout.


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12 Accord LX 96K SSO 0W-20
09 Forester 95K M1HM 10W-30
01 Focus ZX3 118K PP 5W-20
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