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Virgin EcoGard S4651 (Synthetic) C&P #4439737
06/23/17 05:16 PM
06/23/17 05:16 PM
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blupupher Offline OP
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Well, Ecogard sent me some of their sythetic filters (see this post for all details).

From Ecogard, the efficiency per their rep is 99.9% efficient > 30um and 97.22% efficient > 20um.
Not as good as a Tough Guard, but better than the Extra Guard and from what I gather, Wix/Napa Gold.
These have been selling for <$5 on Amazon and Walmart.com for most sizes (some are regular price from $8-12).

So here are the pics:

Can and Box:


Side of box:


No cryptic date code. Made October 11, 2013:


Plastic wrap on the bottom:


Spiral center tube with large holes:


All cut apart:


Silicone ADV and coil spring:


Only 1 wide pleat, metal crimp that goes from top to bottom and glued in:








Soo, we have a little rust in this can too (not near as bad as the other one I cut open)


Little better view of rust:


Quick wipe with a coffee filter:


Same weight as thier regular filter:


Base plate on this one is .2 oz heavier than the other one:


Did not weigh the other cartridge part, but here is this one.


Both media side by side, Syn on left, regular on right:


Synthetic media:


Regular media:


So overall, a decent filter.
I have no way to test the media, but it did feel "softer" than from the regular one.
The regular one felt like very stiff paper, this one was still firm, but the media itself was not as rough, guess from the synthetic blend.
The synthetic media measured 84" vs the regular media @ 86" (both were ~ 1 5/8" high)
Solid construction overall though.

Still a slight issue with rust on this one.
Not like the other, but it is a 3.5 year old filter, and I know other filters have slight rust issues like this on older filters.
Unlike the other one, I would have had no issues using this one.


2018 Hyundai Santa Fe: Dealer oil and filter/5k
2012 Scion xB: QSUD 0w-20, CQ Blue, 5k
2002 Ford F150: GTX HM 5w-20, EcoGard, 1yr
1994 Honda VT1100c: Peak 15w-40, PSL, 5k




Re: Virgin EcoGard S4651 (Synthetic) C&P [Re: blupupher] #4439748
06/23/17 05:29 PM
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Personally, I wouldn't be too concerned about the rust. I've got a rusty MC FL500 sitting in my garage right now, with a production date of October 2015. I bought it in December 2015ish and the inside of the can was rusty the day I got it.

Not to say it's a good thing, but I don't think it's going to affect much.

Re: Virgin EcoGard S4651 (Synthetic) C&P [Re: blupupher] #4439759
06/23/17 05:37 PM
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Yeah, I am not really concerned about it on a 3.5 year old filter, just noting that it was there.
I will use the other one with no concerns.


2018 Hyundai Santa Fe: Dealer oil and filter/5k
2012 Scion xB: QSUD 0w-20, CQ Blue, 5k
2002 Ford F150: GTX HM 5w-20, EcoGard, 1yr
1994 Honda VT1100c: Peak 15w-40, PSL, 5k




Re: Virgin EcoGard S4651 (Synthetic) C&P [Re: blupupher] #4439779
06/23/17 05:53 PM
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Originally Posted By: blupupher
From Ecogard, the efficiency per their rep is 99.9% efficient > 30um and 97.22% efficient > 20um.

The side of the box itself says 99.9% @ 25 microns, 4548-12.

Good overall filter. I agree Fram TG, and I'd add M1 oil filters r as good or better. (Frampa likes the TG recomendation....)

Re: Virgin EcoGard S4651 (Synthetic) C&P [Re: blupupher] #4439798
06/23/17 06:09 PM
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Great job on the [email protected] !!!


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2018 Ford F350 6.2
Re: Virgin EcoGard S4651 (Synthetic) C&P [Re: blupupher] #4439803
06/23/17 06:11 PM
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Thanks for the post. It would be interesting to see more options on the shelf, but Canada is a tough market, for some strange reason.


Plain, simple Garak.

2008 Infiniti G37 - Shell ROTELLA T6 Multi-Vehicle 5w-30, NAPA Gold 7356
1984 F-150 4.9L - Quaker State GB 10w-30, Wix 51515
Re: Virgin EcoGard S4651 (Synthetic) C&P [Re: blupupher] #4439852
06/23/17 06:57 PM
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Looks like a decent filter. I would use it.


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Re: Virgin EcoGard S4651 (Synthetic) C&P [Re: oil_film_movies] #4439886
06/23/17 07:51 PM
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Katy, Republic of Texas
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Originally Posted By: oil_film_movies
Originally Posted By: blupupher
From Ecogard, the efficiency per their rep is 99.9% efficient > 30um and 97.22% efficient > 20um.

The side of the box itself says 99.9% @ 25 microns, 4548-12.

Good overall filter. I agree Fram TG, and I'd add M1 oil filters r as good or better. (Frampa likes the TG recomendation....)


So where do you get 99.9% from, is that what the 4548-12 spec is?

For filters, M1 is just too costly for me.
$10+ for a M1, Ultra for $7-$10, TG for $6-$8, Wix/NAPA Gold for $7-$10, or this one for $4.50-$11.
Ultra is still best bang for buck IMO if you do long (10,000+ mile) intervals or use filter for 2-3 changes.


2018 Hyundai Santa Fe: Dealer oil and filter/5k
2012 Scion xB: QSUD 0w-20, CQ Blue, 5k
2002 Ford F150: GTX HM 5w-20, EcoGard, 1yr
1994 Honda VT1100c: Peak 15w-40, PSL, 5k




Re: Virgin EcoGard S4651 (Synthetic) C&P [Re: blupupher] #4439904
06/23/17 08:28 PM
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Originally Posted By: blupupher
So where do you get 99.9% from, is that what the 4548-12 spec is?

Its printed on the side of the box in your pictures above.

Your rep could also be right in their figures too, as 99.9 would also apply to 30 microns too.

Originally Posted By: blupupher
$10+ for a M1, Ultra for $7-$10, TG for $6-$8, Wix/NAPA Gold for $7-$10, or this one for $4.50-$11.
Ultra is still best bang for buck IMO if you do long (10,000+ mile) intervals or use filter for 2-3 changes.

All true, yet I guess I don't care about a few bucks here and there. Fram Ultra is the best, easy to get too, I just find it easy to use the best.

Last edited by oil_film_movies; 06/23/17 08:29 PM.
Re: Virgin EcoGard S4651 (Synthetic) C&P [Re: oil_film_movies] #4439921
06/23/17 08:54 PM
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Originally Posted By: oil_film_movies
Originally Posted By: blupupher
So where do you get 99.9% from, is that what the 4548-12 spec is?

Its printed on the side of the box in your pictures above.

Your rep could also be right in their figures too, as 99.9 would also apply to 30 microns too.

...

Well be. LOL. I was looking on the side of the box for the number, not the front. duh
I also did not even notice the 10,000 mile part either.
More to make me think it is a good canidate for a Tough Guard replacement (if found for the $4.50 price range, if above $5, I would get the TG instead since it is more easily accessable).

While I agree a few bucks is not going to kill me, I don't like spending more than I have to for a product that works as well as a more expensive item.


2018 Hyundai Santa Fe: Dealer oil and filter/5k
2012 Scion xB: QSUD 0w-20, CQ Blue, 5k
2002 Ford F150: GTX HM 5w-20, EcoGard, 1yr
1994 Honda VT1100c: Peak 15w-40, PSL, 5k




Re: Virgin EcoGard S4651 (Synthetic) C&P [Re: blupupher] #4440140
06/24/17 07:38 AM
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That's an outstanding C&P for a rather uncommonly used filter. I've seen some of the synthetic Ecogards for $4.42 on Amazon Prime.


2017 Honda Odyssey SE, 17K
2013 Honda Accord LX, 58K
2007 Honda Ridgeline RTS, 89K
2007 Infiniti M35, 107K
Re: Virgin EcoGard S4651 (Synthetic) C&P [Re: blupupher] #4440185
06/24/17 08:32 AM
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Thanks for the post. I have one of these (S4477) that I will using on my daughter's 03 Camry for the next oil change. The one that I have also has a 2013 date (10/11/2013) on it. They must have had a big production run in 2013.


18 Rogue SV 0W20
18 Pathfinder SL 5W30
03 Camry LE (daughter's) 5W30
Re: Virgin EcoGard S4651 (Synthetic) C&P [Re: blupupher] #4440263
06/24/17 10:16 AM
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It looks as if the company is not using a corrosion inhibitor.

I think I will steer clear until they fix it.


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Valvoline Advanced Full Synthetic 5W30 + Fram Tough Guard
Re: Virgin EcoGard S4651 (Synthetic) C&P [Re: blupupher] #4440266
06/24/17 10:19 AM
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Nice filter, I'd use it smile


09' Camry LE, 141,020 miles

PP 5w30 and TG 4967
Re: Virgin EcoGard S4651 (Synthetic) C&P [Re: 53' Stude] #4464579
07/20/17 05:22 AM
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Originally Posted By: car51
Nice filter, I'd use it smile


Me too...I've said it before and I'll say it again...How can China make a filter with nice even pleats for $2 while some American made (expensive) filters have wavy and uneven pleat spacing?


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