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General Altimax RT43 vs Cooper CS5 Ultra #4407346
05/17/17 04:53 PM
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I'm interested in dry traction. My number one criteria. Out of the two tires, which will "hook" the best on a car with some power?

Before you ask why I am not looking at a more performance-oriented tire, the reason is size - 225/60R15. BFG T/As are popular, but I feel they aren't worth the money. Also - I am using a 185/65R15 on the front of the car, and it's pretty darn tough to find a decent tire made in both tires that is H-rated.

Out of the two, which would you pick? I know both get good reviews here. Has anyone ever had an opportunity to compare both?

FWIW, I have 80k mile rated 215/70R15 Hankook H725 Mileage Plus IIs on the car now, and they loose traction going WOT from a 20 mph roll in first gear. Hoping one of the above tires will work a little better.

Re: General Altimax RT43 vs Cooper CS5 Ultra [Re: novadude] #4407375
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Unless you go to a summer performance tire, I don't think you'll see any difference in dry traction with any tire.
Even then, most tires do just fine in dry conditions.
Maybe a street drag oriented tire on the rears would be something to try?
It would cost a bit more than either the Cooper or the General though.


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Re: General Altimax RT43 vs Cooper CS5 Ultra [Re: novadude] #4407379
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What car is this for?

But the CS5 Ultra will give better performance traction than the RT43's.

The RT43s have a little better tire life and snow performance.
The CS5 Ultras are better dry traction, handling, and a little more quiet.

Both seem good in rain, not sure if one is better but they both work fine.


With that said the CS5 Ultra's are still a Mid+ life tire, not a performance one. They are kinda a bridge between a ultra-high performance all-season tire and a long life touring tire. You have a long life tire now.



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Re: General Altimax RT43 vs Cooper CS5 Ultra [Re: novadude] #4407386
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It's a Chevy II. 225/60R15 is all the bigger I can fit with the wheels I am using. I have M&H drag radials (235/60R15) for track outings. Just looking for something better for normal driving. Snow doesn't matter, as the car will never be in the snow for as long a I am alive (and not in the rain if I can help it). Nothing available that is "performance oriented" in a 225/60, which is surprising, since this was the stock Mustang 5.0 size for many years in the late 80s.

Re: General Altimax RT43 vs Cooper CS5 Ultra [Re: novadude] #4407389
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Tirerack tested the RT43 and gave it pretty good dry traction ratings. Plus it currently has a $50 rebate.

https://www.tirerack.com/tires/tests/testDisplay.jsp?ttid=220

Re: General Altimax RT43 vs Cooper CS5 Ultra [Re: novadude] #4407419
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The RT43s on my Camry make it handle like you're driving on a road made of mashed potatoes. Not good at all.

Very smooth and pretty quiet tires though, just mushy steering cause they're so soft.


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Re: General Altimax RT43 vs Cooper CS5 Ultra [Re: SatinSilver] #4407421
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Originally Posted By: SatinSilver
Tirerack tested the RT43 and gave it pretty good dry traction ratings. Plus it currently has a $50 rebate.

https://www.tirerack.com/tires/tests/testDisplay.jsp?ttid=220


And they may be discounted starting monday at DTD.

Re: General Altimax RT43 vs Cooper CS5 Ultra [Re: Nick1994] #4407422
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Nick,

Were those the T rated tires? Plus Camrys ride pretty soft until the 2012 model year.

Re: General Altimax RT43 vs Cooper CS5 Ultra [Re: SatinSilver] #4407426
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Originally Posted By: SatinSilver
Nick,

Were those the T rated tires? Plus Camrys ride pretty soft until the 2012 model year.
Not sure of the speed rating. The old Goodyears weren't so sloppy and I previously had a 97 Camry and it wasn't like mashed potatoes either.


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2000 Toyota Camry 2.2L 231k Valvoline 5w30 & Fram Ultra
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Re: General Altimax RT43 vs Cooper CS5 Ultra [Re: novadude] #4407481
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I'm waiting to see if DTD has a good deal on the Coopers for memorial day, but I suspect prices (Cooper vs General) will be so close that it won't make much of a difference if one tire is clearly better than the other.

Not too worried about lateral grip, as I am working with a suspension designed in ~1960, and a car that came with 6.50x13 tires. It's definitely not made for corner carving, so I don't push it in the twistys.

Sounds like they both will perform pretty close. Cooper sidewall looks better. I guess that counts for something? LOL

As an aside, I had a set of Cooper Ultra CS5s in a 235/55R17 on my 2005 Colorado 2wd truck when they first came out in ~2014 or so. They were great for ~10k miles (traded in the truck), but the old I5 never had enough power to test acceleration traction. I liked how they performed in all other categories. Never had the General RT43s, but I have had great luck with General Altimax Arctics on a few vehicles.

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Re: General Altimax RT43 vs Cooper CS5 Ultra [Re: novadude] #4407521
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The CS5 Ultra is definitely the superior tire if you want dry grip.

If you want more all season grip I'd get the CS5 grand


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Re: General Altimax RT43 vs Cooper CS5 Ultra [Re: novadude] #4407542
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I have the generals on my Focus. I put about 100 miles round trip to work and they are great. Quiet and good winter traction. I was told by a tire Shop that the CS5s were having cupping issues and got really noisy on cars that put a lot oF miles on. I ended up finding the best price on the Generals from Wal-Mart.

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Re: General Altimax RT43 vs Cooper CS5 Ultra [Re: tmorris1] #4407608
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Originally Posted By: tmorris1
I was told by a tire Shop that the CS5s were having cupping issues and got really noisy on cars that put a lot oF miles on.


This describes my experience with the CS5. While they have excellent wet/dry/snow traction on my Mazda3, even with 5000 mile rotations they have started to cup and are becoming quite noisy. I've had the alignment, tire balance, and suspension bushings/hardware/etc checked twice. Both shops think the camber settings Mazda uses are the culprit. My friend got his CS5's (at my recommendation) about a month after I had mine installed and he has not had issues with cupping or noise on his Dodge Journey.


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Re: General Altimax RT43 vs Cooper CS5 Ultra [Re: quint] #4407660
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Originally Posted By: quint
Originally Posted By: tmorris1
I was told by a tire Shop that the CS5s were having cupping issues and got really noisy on cars that put a lot oF miles on.


This describes my experience with the CS5. While they have excellent wet/dry/snow traction on my Mazda3, even with 5000 mile rotations they have started to cup and are becoming quite noisy. I've had the alignment, tire balance, and suspension bushings/hardware/etc checked twice. Both shops think the camber settings Mazda uses are the culprit. My friend got his CS5's (at my recommendation) about a month after I had mine installed and he has not had issues with cupping or noise on his Dodge Journey.


Interesting. As noted above, I have some experience with CS5 Ultra, as I've had them on my old Colorado. Never had a single problem with noise, balance, or cupping.

Re: General Altimax RT43 vs Cooper CS5 Ultra [Re: novadude] #4407701
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The CS5 will have better grip and are also made in the USA.

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