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'Broad Spectrum' ATF, how does it work? #4389454
04/26/17 12:36 PM
04/26/17 12:36 PM
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Southern NY
MoneyJohn Offline OP
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Hello folks,

I don't understand ATF chemistry so apologies in advance if this is a stupid question.

I plan to drain ATF in my 2006 Sentra for the first time, with ~103,000 miles on it. Although the fluid is still red/pink, I have never changed it nor do I remember paying for the change. So as an insurance, I am planning to drain.

I am toying between the use of Nissan Matic-D type ATF or aftermarket. Many are suggesting Valvoline Max Life ATF. Found the following link on another thread about its compatibility. This fluid is compatible with all Nissan fluids, in addition to other brands. What I don't understand how one fluid can be compatible with all of these? I assume they are named differently because they ARE different, right?

Any clarification in this regard is welcome. Thanks in advance.


2015 Subaru Forester 2.5i Premium w/ EyeSight
2006 Nissan Sentra 1.8S Special Edition
Re: 'Broad Spectrum' ATF, how does it work? [Re: MoneyJohn] #4389474
04/26/17 01:03 PM
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they're similar enough for it to be possible to make a fluid that meets all of them smile

Re: 'Broad Spectrum' ATF, how does it work? [Re: MoneyJohn] #4389480
04/26/17 01:14 PM
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Transmissions are very expensive. Be careful with your choice, very careful. Take the time to do exactly what you're doing, research, ask and if there is any doubt after all this then default toward a fluid that is made specifically for your vehicle instead of a one size fits many.

I use Red Line D4 in my 2003 4Runner. I periodically drain the pan (usually 4 quarts) and replace it with new D4. I have a bit over 160K miles with a lot of dirt roads and towing and so far, so good.

Your query has got me thinking that maybe I'll send in a sample to see how things are going. I'll post the results. Thanks for the reminder.

Re: 'Broad Spectrum' ATF, how does it work? [Re: MoneyJohn] #4389498
04/26/17 01:27 PM
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I'll take this opportunity to make my first post (yay!) and chime in. Just this weekend, I switched my 2004 Nissan Quest over to Maxlife ATF from Matic-D. The sloppy 1st to 2nd shift appears to have completely smoothed over (now at 142,000 miles). If you have any concern, stay with the Matic-D, but many have had great results with Maxlife ATF. As to how they meet many different specs, I couldn't tell you. I'm not that well versed on the chemical compositions. Generally, I would tend to argue stay with a specific fluid that is spec'd for the application and not a universal type. In my case, however, the spec'd Matic-D fluid just wasn't cutting it and was a lot more expensive. Good luck with whatever you decide!


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1990 Nissan 300zx - Castrol Edge Euro 0W-40
2004 Nissan Quest - Pennzoil Platinum Euro 0W-40
2003 Ford Excursion 7.3 PSD - Mobil 1 TDT 5w-40
Re: 'Broad Spectrum' ATF, how does it work? [Re: MoneyJohn] #4389514
04/26/17 01:41 PM
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What a really good question!

I've always wondered the same, and just figured it was because they were similar enough that you could meet each of the specs well enough to be functional.

You bring up a good point though, are we losing something extra on one spec to meet a minimum requirement of another?

Tagging along.


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Re: 'Broad Spectrum' ATF, how does it work? [Re: 28oz] #4389548
04/26/17 02:12 PM
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MoneyJohn Offline OP
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Originally Posted By: 28oz
The sloppy 1st to 2nd shift appears to have completely smoothed over (now at 142,000 miles).

I didn't mention in the OP, but my car jerks between 1st to 2nd shift every time whether I accelerate gently or not. The jerk is like whole car jerks, only once and then it smoothens. Lately, a subtle jerk started between 2nd to 3rd. Can you explain your sloppy shift? Was it the same feeling?

FWIW, I never take this car on highways because it rattles beyond 60mph, it always did (bought pre-owned at 72,000 on the odometer). I thought that's the pleasure of buying an econobox.

Last edited by MoneyJohn; 04/26/17 02:13 PM.

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Re: 'Broad Spectrum' ATF, how does it work? [Re: MoneyJohn] #4389588
04/26/17 02:48 PM
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Yeah, it wasn't every time either. Sometimes it was a jerk, and other times, I'd describe it more of a stumble......like it just didn't know what to do. A couple gallons of Maxlife shouldn't be prohibitively expensive to try out. If it doesn't work, drain it and put Matic-D back in. IMO, it's worth a try. It sure helped mine.


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1990 Nissan 300zx - Castrol Edge Euro 0W-40
2004 Nissan Quest - Pennzoil Platinum Euro 0W-40
2003 Ford Excursion 7.3 PSD - Mobil 1 TDT 5w-40
Re: 'Broad Spectrum' ATF, how does it work? [Re: MoneyJohn] #4389627
04/26/17 03:30 PM
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Cannot answer original question but I changed Kia FF ATF on 2014 Forte at 30K miles to MaxLife and shifting improved (silky smooth now) quite noticeably.


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Re: 'Broad Spectrum' ATF, how does it work? [Re: MoneyJohn] #4389779
04/26/17 05:59 PM
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And new fluid will smooth the shifting when compared to the worn fluid that you replace.

Re: 'Broad Spectrum' ATF, how does it work? [Re: MoneyJohn] #4389923
04/26/17 08:21 PM
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NissanMatic S replaces NissanMatic D in most applications, except for the Nissan Transfer Cases which still specify NissanMatic S, or Dex/Merc.

The secret of Multi-Vehicle ATF's such as MaxLife or D4 or D6 or Amsoil ATF's is the mix of specialized friction modifier chemistry's which cover a spectrum of dynamic friction coefficients.


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Re: 'Broad Spectrum' ATF, how does it work? [Re: MoneyJohn] #4390500
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down in the park
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We're using Castrol ATF Multivehicle at my work. We're pretty much exclusively working on Hyundai or Mitsubishi transmissions though.

Keeping one engine oil, one ATF, one MT oil and one two differential oils in stock only, suitable for all vehicles we service, avoids mistakes. We have one LS diff oil, and one non-LS.


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Re: 'Broad Spectrum' ATF, how does it work? [Re: MolaKule] #4390806
04/27/17 08:41 PM
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Originally Posted By: MolaKule
NissanMatic S replaces NissanMatic D in most applications, except for the Nissan Transfer Cases which still specify NissanMatic S, or Dex/Merc.

The secret of Multi-Vehicle ATF's such as MaxLife or D4 or D6 or Amsoil ATF's is the mix of specialized friction modifier chemistry's which cover a spectrum of dynamic friction coefficients.



Whoops, should have said:

NissanMatic S replaces NissanMatic D in most applications, except for the Nissan Transfer Cases which still specify NissanMatic D, or Dex/Merc.

The secret of Multi-Vehicle ATF's such as MaxLife or D4 or D6 or Amsoil ATF's is the mix of specialized friction modifier chemistry's which cover a spectrum of dynamic friction coefficients.


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Re: 'Broad Spectrum' ATF, how does it work? [Re: slacktide_bitog] #4468106
07/23/17 02:12 PM
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Originally Posted By: slacktide_bitog
they're similar enough for it to be possible to make a fluid that meets all of them smile


Except..... Mercon V


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(Re:VOA)"it's nearly impossible to actually know the particular additives that are in there at what concentrations."
Re: 'Broad Spectrum' ATF, how does it work? [Re: MoneyJohn] #4468128
07/23/17 02:44 PM
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Valvoline MaxLife labeling indicates MerconV coverage except in California which took issue with the viscosity requirement but which PQIA accepted a statement indicating Valvoline's line of reasoning.

Quote:
*Please note that legislation in California prohibits Valvoline from recommending MaxLife™ ATF in certain applications where the viscometrics of MaxLife™ ATF do not match those of the official OEM specification. Valvoline therefore does not recommend the use of MaxLife™ ATF in these applications in California.


Of course we are aware of California's pendent for Overregulation.

Last edited by MolaKule; 07/23/17 02:48 PM.

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Re: 'Broad Spectrum' ATF, how does it work? [Re: MoneyJohn] #4468453
07/23/17 08:41 PM
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Matic-D is nothing to write home about. With Matic-D in my Infiniti, I found the shifting would get sloppy 15k miles after a D&F. I switched to MaxLife and haven't looked back since.

ML & LG Red ftw!


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