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Headlight Aim? Who Cares? #4291979
01/03/17 11:41 AM
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Some interesting excerpted comments from Daniel Stern, in an editorial at drivingvisionnews:

Quote:
...It's true that modern headlamps, with their more robust mounting systems, are generally better at maintaining an aim setting than those on older cars. But that aim setting has to be correct, and modern headlamps also need to be aimed more precisely than old ones; they're more intense and they have sharper low-beam cutoffs...

...And while the SAE standard describing how headlamps should be aimed in service was tightened up last year to reduce the amount of upward aim before a low-beam headlamp should be considered too high, the reduction was from 10 to 6.4 cm above H-H. The peak intensity of today's low beams is great enough that such a lamp aimed 6 cm above H-H should properly be called a high beam...

...Plainly, something must be done. But what? It's a steep uphill battle to make people understand the importance of headlamp aim in a region where there is no significant culture of giving a [censored] about car lights. In Europe, periodic aim inspection has long been just as widely accepted and understood as periodic engine oil changes: necessary, important, basic, routine car maintenanceónot to mention car light safety months, magazines routinely publishing thorough performance comparisons of various cars' headlamps, etc. None of this exists in America...

...Time is of the essence; revolutionarily bright and complex headlamps are coming tomorrow, not years from now; if nothing is done, that alone will make the problem very much worse...

Re: Headlight Aim? Who Cares? [Re: SubLGT] #4291989
01/03/17 11:49 AM
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It's becoming a bigger issue with newer cars having brighter low beams. Also, people who raise their vehicles almost NEVER take the time to adjust their lights accordingly.

So when I'm not blinded by a lifted GM driving toward me, I'm blinded by a Civic where the driver side light is glaring directly into my eyes while the passenger light appears dimly lit.

And then it's the complete opposite when you drive behind someone. Everyone seems to think it's cool to black out the tail lights so you can't always tell that someone in front of you is actually braking.

Re: Headlight Aim? Who Cares? [Re: SubLGT] #4291992
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It's a 50/50 consideration between not blinding other drivers because it hate when it happen to me, and, being able to see where I'm going.

In the UK a car with improper headlight adjustment is deemed not road worthy.


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Re: Headlight Aim? Who Cares? [Re: SubLGT] #4291996
01/03/17 11:57 AM
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This time of year a lot of people forget to turn their headlights on anyway, so who cares? crush


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Re: Headlight Aim? Who Cares? [Re: SubLGT] #4291998
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I've seen a few new cars have improperly aimed lights right from the factory. What burns my biscuits are ricer blue HIDs people put into their [censored] cars. Sorry pal, it looks ugly and trashy. It's obvious you were too cheap / stupid to properly retrofit and as a result blind other drivers.

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Re: Headlight Aim? Who Cares? [Re: SubLGT] #4292001
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Americans just don't care. I've told people about every light on their car including bad aim, burnt out bulbs, driving with high beams on and I have very rarely gotten a favorable response. The responses always range from confused to me being nosey and needing to mind my own business. I would love to be a cop and write tickets for these jerks who just don't give a [censored] about their exterior lights.


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Re: Headlight Aim? Who Cares? [Re: SubLGT] #4292002
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...and some drivers have their high beams on in traffic. This is really annoying. You either get blinded head on or get the inside of your car lit up from behind.

Re: Headlight Aim? Who Cares? [Re: SubLGT] #4292003
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Having stood at accident scenes and many times several of the firefighters would get a bet going about how many people at night would only be driving around with one headlight. %.
Many states need to get on the issue.

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Re: Headlight Aim? Who Cares? [Re: Olas] #4292004
01/03/17 12:00 PM
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Originally Posted By: Olas
It's a 50/50 consideration between not blinding other drivers because it hate when it happen to me, and, being able to see where I'm going.

In the UK a car with improper headlight adjustment is deemed not road worthy.


It USED to be a required part of the safety inspection here (Texas), but was dropped close to 20 years ago. It really should be enforced- there's absolutely no way to ensure accurate aim after a headlamp replacement, body work, or in some cases even a simple bulb capsule replacement without deliberately CHECKING the aim. I'm very pedantic about at least checking my cars for consistency side-to-side, and do my best to check the aiming height using a blank wall at an empty parking lot... but most drivers never give it a second thought.

Worse than that, as more dashboards are now lighted even when the lights are turned off and DRLS are more common, the epidemic of people driving around with their headlights off or their high-beams on is getting worse and worse.


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Re: Headlight Aim? Who Cares? [Re: SubLGT] #4292020
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I installed Phillips X-treme Vision H4 bulbs in my Fizzer and I've been getting a few people flash their high beams at me when riding down two lane highways, at night. The Yamaha has uses both headlights, which provides far better night driving than my old bike.

I am frankly torn between 'being seen while riding' vs 'being considerate to my fellow motorists'.

Re: Headlight Aim? Who Cares? [Re: OneEyeJack] #4292044
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Originally Posted By: OneEyeJack
...and some drivers have their high beams on in traffic. This is really annoying. You either get blinded head on or get the inside of your car lit up from behind.


Yeah, I drive a lot on narrow, windy back roads and usually drivers coming the other way turn off their high beams almost exactly as our cars are actually crossing. Thanks a lot, morons!!!
I can see using the high beams on these roads the first time one drives them, but the curves don't exactly move over time...I just can't imagine driving with my high beams on nonstop. I may flash them on the residential streets if I'm worried about pedestrians in the dark, but my high beams are probably on 0.1% of the total time my headlights are in use. Honestly, I feel like high beams should require the driver to hold the lever to the front or back with no permanent on setting.

Of course, then there are the oncoming drivers with their high beams on who are actually in my lane because they are busy texting...oh man, I shouldn't have even gotten started on this thread. AAAAHHHHHHH!!!!


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Re: Headlight Aim? Who Cares? [Re: SubLGT] #4292127
01/03/17 01:31 PM
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On a dark and lonely night, I flashed my high beams at a on-coming car, and the driver did not dim his lights. So I flashed again, same result. What a jerk....as we got closer, I realized it was a local sheriff deputy! He turned around, stopped me, checked all my papers, and as always, he proceeded to ask if I knew why I was stopped. I said "yes I do, because YOU would not dim your headlights, and YOU wanted to find out why I flashed mine" He asked if his lights were on high, I re-affirmed, and he actually apologized! Must have been too pre-occupied looking at his on-board computer.

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Re: Headlight Aim? Who Cares? [Re: Reddy45] #4292350
01/03/17 04:36 PM
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Originally Posted By: Reddy45
...Also, people who raise their vehicles almost NEVER take the time to adjust their lights accordingly. ..


I remember reading a comment over at pickuptrucks.com in which a member removed the front leveling kit from his pickup because he was being frequently flashed. He seemed to be unaware that his headlights could be aimed downward.

Re: Headlight Aim? Who Cares? [Re: Virtus_Probi] #4292460
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Originally Posted By: Virtus_Probi
Originally Posted By: OneEyeJack
...and some drivers have their high beams on in traffic. This is really annoying. You either get blinded head on or get the inside of your car lit up from behind.


Yeah, I drive a lot on narrow, windy back roads and usually drivers coming the other way turn off their high beams almost exactly as our cars are actually crossing. Thanks a lot, morons!!!
I can see using the high beams on these roads the first time one drives them, but the curves don't exactly move over time...I just can't imagine driving with my high beams on nonstop. I may flash them on the residential streets if I'm worried about pedestrians in the dark, but my high beams are probably on 0.1% of the total time my headlights are in use. Honestly, I feel like high beams should require the driver to hold the lever to the front or back with no permanent on setting.

Of course, then there are the oncoming drivers with their high beams on who are actually in my lane because they are busy texting...oh man, I shouldn't have even gotten started on this thread. AAAAHHHHHHH!!!!


I remember that older cars had a floor button near the clutch pedal to dim the lights. They should bring back that idea so that you can still do whatever you're doing and dim the lights, too.

Re: Headlight Aim? Who Cares? [Re: OneEyeJack] #4292557
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