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Toyo Celsius All-Weather Tire #3811404 08/04/15 10:44 AM
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Nokian's WRG3 "all weather" tire will be getting some competition from Toyo, in the USA market.

http://www.tirereview.com/toyos-celsius-plans-to-one-up-all-season-tires/

"...With an asymmetrical tread design, the tire has the traction capability on snow and ice of a winter tire as well as the ability to perform on wet and dry roads like an all-season tire.

The inside tread functions much like a winter tire. Higher sipe density provides more biting edges to increase traction on snow and ice, Toyo said. Additionally, the tire features snow claws to improve deep snow traction and slush grooves that provide increased traction on slush and snow.

In turn, the outside tread is built like an all-season tire, according to Toyo. Lower sipe density provides grip and traction for wet and dry roads, while the multi-wave sipe design also helps increase block rigidity, giving the tire better traction on icy, wet and dry road conditions, the tiremaker said. Snow claws are also present on the outside tread…"

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Pirelli sold P77s in the early 80s with a dual tread design, and the P500 after that. I still don't know if the dual tread is a good concept although I used P5OOS on a SAAB.

Re: Toyo Celsius All-Weather Tire [Re: SubLGT] #3811467 08/04/15 12:03 PM
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Toyo tires are too restricted in availability.

How does it compare to the Vredestein Quatrac 5?

Re: Toyo Celsius All-Weather Tire [Re: SubLGT] #3811504 08/04/15 12:54 PM
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I'm glad to see another tire entering this market in the U.S. These all-season tires with the mountain/snowflake designation interest me because where I live we can get a decent amount of winter weather, but not enough to justify buying dedicated winter tires.

Here are the tires on the Toyo website. Apparently, there are two different versions, the Celsius and the Celsius CUV.

http://toyotires.com/tire/pattern/celsius-cuv-variable-conditions-tire

http://toyotires.com/tire/pattern/celsius-variable-conditions-tire

Re: Toyo Celsius All-Weather Tire [Re: SubLGT] #3819884 08/12/15 03:20 PM
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Funny. I was just about to post about this tire. I noticed it on TreadDepot today. It's very intriguing to me. As with most Toyo tires, it also comes in many sizes (available for both my rides). Having the snowflake on all-seasons is very rare. I wonder how they will be in the heat/summer? They do have a decent warranty.


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Re: Toyo Celsius All-Weather Tire [Re: kkreit01] #3820750 08/13/15 02:30 PM
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I've never been impressed with these "all weather" tires bearing the snowflake symbol. They are better in the winter than all-seasons, but don't come close to matching a TRUE winter tire, especially after the tread wears a bit. I had a Nokian WR tire (predecessor to WRG) that was good the first winter, wore a LOT in warmer weather, and was like a racing slick the second winter. I may be the only person in the world who has had a bad experience with Nokian tires. I imagine their dedicated winter tires are much better. These "all weather" designs may be fine for a low mileage driver who only very occasionally encounters winter conditions.

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Re: Toyo Celsius All-Weather Tire [Re: SubLGT] #3820776 08/13/15 03:10 PM
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I've always been scared off by the rounded edge on the outside tread on these tires. I've had a dedicated snow tire with a rounded edge and I disliked how it slid over the snow even at large slip angles.
Its most obvious when I'm fooling around on my driveway in rwd mode, but for a fwd car understeering severely, the square edge helps plow the loose snow away letting the contact patch find something solid down there, hopefully pavement.


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Re: Toyo Celsius All-Weather Tire [Re: SubLGT] #3822226 08/15/15 06:13 AM
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This tire looks like a good deal! Too bad it's not available in more sizes. It looks like it's similar to the Nokian WR G3 which is arguably the most competent "All Weather" tire out there in snow/ice conditions. I have an '06 AUD1 A6 Avant w/slightly undersize (for winter) 225/55x16 Nokian Hakkapelitta R2's which I believe are the ultimat studless snow tire. I bought another '07 A6 Avant for my wife & since we already had a "snowmobile" I put stock size (245/45x17) Nokian WR G3'son it. I'm amazed by their snow/ice capability, they give up very little in snow/ice traction to the R2 equipped car. They're of course slightly quieter & have better dry/wet handling than R2, should last longer as well! Great tire but expensive!

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http://www.tirebusiness.com/article/2015...tions-8217-tire

"...Celsius is specifically designed for the North American market and for now is only available in the U.S., company officials said…"

"...Third-party testing found that the new Celsius tire stops up to 31 feet shorter on snow and 8 feet shorter on ice than a typical all-season tire, Toyo said, and has enhanced performance on wet and dry roads. The tire carries a 60,000-mile treadwear warranty…"

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"...In our tests, the new Toyo Celsius and Nokian WR G3 deliver solid winter traction, with good stopping grip on dry roads and confident handling. In contrast, many snow tires may edge-out these all-weather tires on snow and ice, but they trade-down with fair to poor stopping ability on cleared pavement and lackluster handling. The Celsius and WR G3 offer good winter grip but neither is quite as good as dedicated snow tire models from those brands…"

http://www.consumerreports.org/winter-sn...-car-year-round

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if it's nearly as good as the Michelin crossclimate, it'll be a very good tyre. Seems tohave the same goals: mixed pavement/snow/ice use.

Had a chance to test my crossclimates on wet snow and ice, and it's almost like driving on pavement.

the salted and cleared roads I could give full throttle even in 1st gear without lighting up ESP.

ABS nor ESP has kicked in so far...

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Re: Toyo Celsius All-Weather Tire [Re: SubLGT] #3980916 01/16/16 05:28 PM
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Too bad they didn't test the Vredestein Quatrac 5 along with them.

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Nokian got competition? Yeah Toyo is known for their snow tires LOL LOL LOL
And consumer reports? Common man, CR is OK when you buying dryer not tires or cars.


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Originally Posted By: edyvw
Nokian got competition? Yeah Toyo is known for their snow tires LOL LOL LOL
And consumer reports? Common man, CR is OK when you buying dryer not tires or cars.


Do you have better source of tire tests in the USA?

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Originally Posted By: edyvw
Nokian got competition? Yeah Toyo is known for their snow tires LOL LOL LOL
And consumer reports? Common man, CR is OK when you buying dryer not tires or cars.


CR does some pretty in-depth tire testing. They own a test track (the former Connecticut Dragway) and they have people on staff that came from the tire industry.

This video at the top of this page shows some of their testing, including wet tests on the track and test cars in an ice rink:
http://www.consumerreports.org/cro/tires/buying-guide.htm

I've owned three different sets of tires that I compared to CR's tests and their results were pretty much spot-on with my real-world experience.

Here' a pic of their track I just found:

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