You thought burning people alive was bad?

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Originally Posted By: OneEyeJack
To get the pilot back they should have said if you don't release him unharmed we'll let the lady go and not execute her.


IIRC the Jordanians had been asking for proof of life for a couple of weeks in order to begin discussing an exchange.
 
My correction too - They are currently Tier #1. I had researched this long ago and they were amazingly high, though I read the tier ranking wrong.

However there have been a great number of publications that have cited the issue.

http://www.jpost.com/Israel/Israel-among-worst-human-traffickers

http://www.timesofisrael.com/thousands-of-slaves-in-israel-global-study-finds/

"In 2001, the US State Department released its first Trafficking in Persons (TIP) Report and ranked Israel as a Tier 3 Nation – the report’s lowest possible ranking. A Tier 3 country is defined by its high level of trafficking and its failure to take significant strides to combat it."

http://blogs.timesofisrael.com/hookers-in-the-holy-land-an-uncomfortable-history-in-israel/

I had to research this for a paper I wrote in college, and at the time, the situation was abysmal. That was around when the Tier 3 came out and US funding restrictions were a possibility to be levied. It is better, but there still are 8500 slaves, >15000 prostitutes (legal), and a lot of actual trafficking through.

Much of the Israel trade is white trafficking actually, but much of it comes through Egypt, who at least at one time actually fared better in terms of slavery and trafficking as one of the better states in the Middle East.

Other than enjoying some kebabs, falaffel, matzoh ball soup and gefilte fish once in a while, I dont care for any of the countries over there. I do however have close friends who are Israeli, Palestinian, as well as others who are followers of
Judaism and Islam. I am no Zionist, and feel personally that such a movement did nothing for ensuring stability, and a LOT of US money that we dont have goes over there.

But at the end of the day, the point I was trying to make at the start but failed to was that if one is going to start throwing stones at the Muslim world in this thread, as in the other, they need to at least look at the balance of the population over there and assess guilt upon all. Because Im sure that many would gladly turn a blind eye to Israel's woes, yet call to nuke every last Muslim.

Disclosure: BAC wary of the whole mess over there and not caring to see any American blood spilled for any of them.
 
Great, and that link too provides just an estimate. Where did the 2000 people go? Uzbekistan?

Point is, every place is guilty. Would all the zionists have not gotten their knickers in a knot if I said the USA or Mexico or the Netherlands? After all, some of the reports out there indicate that the Super Bowl is the #1 human trafficking-related event in the world.

Its a pretty established fact that Israel too had/has a bad reputation for this, so point is before bringing out the flame throwers, just think if the favored nation is showing some guilt too.

Everybody knows that some of the Muslim world is living as it it were anywhere from 300-1000 years ago. Some is a good deal more cosmopolitan. Some doesnt care to change. A cousin who did multiple tours in Afghanistan told a lot of stories of that.
 
JHZR2, are you just saying nobody's perfect, or what? Daesh is enslaving people as a matter of policy. I assume that in Israel, as in the US, it's a hush-hush business that the government is officially against. There's no secret that sex-slave trafficking takes place in the USA, but the USA isn't taking over towns and selling the desirable children and slaughtering the others as Daesh are doing.
 
Originally Posted By: Stelth
JHZR2, are you just saying nobody's perfect, or what? Daesh is enslaving people as a matter of policy. I assume that in Israel, as in the US, it's a hush-hush business that the government is officially against. There's no secret that sex-slave trafficking takes place in the USA, but the USA isn't taking over towns and selling the desirable children and slaughtering the others as Daesh are doing.


Yes, Im saying that the area of the world over there, in general, is ripe with this, and its not just ISIS or even the Muslim world.

This situation is deplorable, but as Ive said from the start in other threads, the Muslim world needs to get mad at the situation over there and begin to solve it. Whether that means a different strong man (who in private may be just as bad or worse than ISIS), or something else, I dont know. I just cant personally get that upset about something that the people, who over there love to riot in the streets and throw stones over all sorts of little things, dont seem to care to tackle. I sure dont want MY countrymen trying to tackle it with their blood.
 
I think this is a good point. Some countries allow slavery and other countries do not officially allow it but it may take place in criminal undergrounds.

For example, I read a news report a long time back that people from Asia (apparently most were Chinese) were being trafficked from Canada to the USA through the northern border. Of course both Canada and the USA certainly do not officially support slavery.

ISIS is engaged in human slavery. A UN report on this has just barely come out. There has been widespread slavery in the Sudan and in some other countries like Thailand and North Korea. In the UN report that just barely came out and was mentioned on FOX News the price for the human being was placed on their foreheads.
 
Originally Posted By: Mystic
I think this is a good point. Some countries allow slavery and other countries do not officially allow it but it may take place in criminal undergrounds.

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ISIS is engaged in human slavery. A UN report on this has just barely come out. There has been widespread slavery in the Sudan and in some other countries like Thailand and North Korea. In the UN report that just barely came out and was mentioned on FOX News the price for the human being was placed on their foreheads.


So ISIS or whatnot is now a country?

Or is it a faction that the muslim world is not mad enough to actually get off their butts and stamp out as Ive been saying all along?
 
Originally Posted By: Donald
From a strategy standpoint I do not understand ISIS. I might want to take over large parts of Iraq and Syria but I would not want the American military after me, especially special forces. They have [censored] off various European countries along with Japan and the US. I cannot believe burning people alive gets them more recruits from Western countries.

If they push the US over the edge and we put boots on the ground there is no question we could wipe them out. There are only 20,000 to 30,000 ISIS fighters and they cannot be well trained and the largest weapons they have are some tanks, and RPGs, handheld anti-aircraft missiles.

Daesh can't be understood as a political entity with intelligible material goals. Nothing it does strategically makes any sense in terms of military or political objectives. You have to remember what motivates them: the idea that they are God's own attack dogs in a zero-sum pit fight with the rest of the world. The only way out is to win or die, and the only honor comes from how flamboyantly it happens. In that light, their actions make perfect sense.

That perspective also makes it obvious what we in the West ought to do about it. Yes, bomb them where appropriate. But mainly, fight the ideology. Undermine the narrative. Refuse to legitimize the idea that Islam and the West are in zero-sum conflict. Support and celebrate the vast majority of Muslims who abhor the violence. Otherwise, we'll be playing Whack-A-Mole with these kinds of psychos forever.
 
ISIS is not a country. But the UN did just come out with a report of some of the things ISIS is doing, including human slavery, burying children alive, engaging in sex trade operations, murdering large numbers of young boys, etc.
 
Of course they have political, military, economic, and tactical goals, and they have already achieved those goals to a degree. They control a large area in Syria and Iraq. They control some economic assets such as oil fields and refineries. And they are exporting their ISIS terrorism to other countries. They are trying to establish a radical Islamic state.

And their brutality does seem effective in recruiting many new followers. ISIS is increasing rapidly in numbers and strength. They now number some 30,000 at least and they were 3000 not that long ago. According to some estimates they are increasing in strength at a rate of at least 1000 a month.

Look at a world map. Radical Islamic terrorists are succeeding in many parts of the world, including in Nigeria and various parts of North Africa, in Yemen, in Syria, in Iraq, and other areas. It is likely the Taliban will regain control of Afghanistan when the USA leaves. These radical Islamic terrorists include ISIS and several other groups, some of which are in conflict with each other, but they are still terrorists and they are gaining territory and power.
 
Originally Posted By: Mystic
Of course they have political, military, economic, and tactical goals, and they have already achieved those goals to a degree. They control a large area in Syria and Iraq. They control some economic assets such as oil fields and refineries. And they are exporting their ISIS terrorism to other countries. They are trying to establish a radical Islamic state.

And their brutality does seem effective in recruiting many new followers. ISIS is increasing rapidly in numbers and strength. They now number some 30,000 at least and they were 3000 not that long ago. According to some estimates they are increasing in strength at a rate of at least 1000 a month.

Look at a world map. Radical Islamic terrorists are succeeding in many parts of the world, including in Nigeria and various parts of North Africa, in Yemen, in Syria, in Iraq, and other areas. It is likely the Taliban will regain control of Afghanistan when the USA leaves. These radical Islamic terrorists include ISIS and several other groups, some of which are in conflict with each other, but they are still terrorists and they are gaining territory and power.



Hence why something needs to be done...worldwide! Can't just be the US any more...
 
I often hear of acid attacks from such extremists. They pour a strong acid on someones face, and it causes a lifetime of pain and disfigurement.

Every day, I try to understand why there are people who would commit such crimes.
 
Originally Posted By: artificialist
I often hear of acid attacks from such extremists. They pour a strong acid on someones face, and it causes a lifetime of pain and disfigurement.

Every day, I try to understand why there are people who would commit such crimes.


I always been told it's in the name of peace!
 
Originally Posted By: jcwit
Originally Posted By: artificialist
I often hear of acid attacks from such extremists. They pour a strong acid on someones face, and it causes a lifetime of pain and disfigurement.

Every day, I try to understand why there are people who would commit such crimes.


I always been told it's in the name of peace!


It is called hate, a four letter word,

Terrorism in the name of peaceful religions:
http://www.hindustantimes.com/india-news...e1-1300187.aspx

but wait, this can't be true cuz it was not on FOX ;-)

so we should only care about 1 guy killed in a cage when you have 22 women and children hacked to death?

http://www.aljazeera.com/news/africa/201...9131413566.html

As one of our candian members put it, we are being played like a fine violin, unfortunate but true,
 
Originally Posted By: stockrex
Originally Posted By: DoiInthanon
Originally Posted By: JHZR2
A good portion of the slave and human trafficking trade goes trough Israel. In fact, Israel is #1...
Citation please.


I wonder why fox new does focus on slavery in Israel?
Anyway you won't see this on CNN or Fox

http://www.timesofisrael.com/thousands-of-slaves-in-israel-global-study-finds/

it gets worse...


Interesting article. Did you read far enough down to see this part: "The deteriorating situation led the US State Department to rank Israel as a Tier 3 nation in its Trafficking in Persons report, the lowest ranking. Tier 3 nations faced potential economic sanctions. The report was a wake-up call for Israel’s government, which passed a comprehensive anti-trafficking law, and was upgraded to a Tier 1 state."

Also the fact that there are sex slaves in Israel (and almost everywhere else) doesn't mitigate what Daesh is doing in the least. Is there an index of countries or organizations that bury children alive and crucify them?
 
Originally Posted By: stockrex


It is called hate, a four letter word,

Terrorism in the name of peaceful religions:
http://www.hindustantimes.com/india-news...e1-1300187.aspx

but wait, this can't be true cuz it was not on FOX ;-)

so we should only care about 1 guy killed in a cage when you have 22 women and children hacked to death?

http://www.aljazeera.com/news/africa/201...9131413566.html

As one of our candian members put it, we are being played like a fine violin, unfortunate but true,


We are not in an ongoing conflict with India or within their boarders.
 
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