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Wix's custom filter 57002 created for Mazda... #3446537
08/05/14 10:12 AM
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I finally got tired of trying to figure out what was special about Wix's new 57002 filter specfic for only Mazda Skyactiv engines. I know it doesn't have an ADBV and has a 15 micron rating, but that doesn't tell me much. There has to be something special in order for Wix to go and create a new filter while everyone else didn't.

I emailed Wix Tech Support and asked for information. I'll post anything I get back in this thread.


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Re: Wix's custom filter 57002 created for Mazda... [Re: badtlc] #3446542
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Someone told me it was a different bypass pressure. Not sure if that was true.


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Re: Wix's custom filter 57002 created for Mazda... [Re: badtlc] #3446555
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Originally Posted By: badtlc
.... I know it doesn't have an ADBV and has a 15 micron rating, but that doesn't tell me much. ...


What does 15 micron rating mean? Are you talking its 50% @ 15 microns using ISO 4548-12 test procedure? Or 'absolute' which might mean its 99% @ 15 microns???

http://www.lenntech.com/library/fine/absolute/absolute-nominal-filters.htm

Re: Wix's custom filter 57002 created for Mazda... [Re: badtlc] #3446561
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Wix's regular oil filters are typically 95% @ 20 microns, unless Mazda specified they want better media.

Re: Wix's custom filter 57002 created for Mazda... [Re: ElastoHydro] #3446596
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Originally Posted By: ElastoHydro
Originally Posted By: badtlc
.... I know it doesn't have an ADBV and has a 15 micron rating, but that doesn't tell me much. ...


What does 15 micron rating mean? Are you talking its 50% @ 15 microns using ISO 4548-12 test procedure? Or 'absolute' which might mean its 99% @ 15 microns???

http://www.lenntech.com/library/fine/absolute/absolute-nominal-filters.htm


I wish I knew. Wix and Oreilly's site just say "rating: 15 micron"


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Re: Wix's custom filter 57002 created for Mazda... [Re: ElastoHydro] #3446599
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Originally Posted By: ElastoHydro
Wix's regular oil filters are typically 95% @ 20 microns, unless Mazda specified they want better media.


This is why I asked. I'd really like to know if Mazda spec'd out something super high. And it is impossible to get specs on OEM filters.

Last edited by badtlc; 08/05/14 10:50 AM.

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Re: Wix's custom filter 57002 created for Mazda... [Re: badtlc] #3446611
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Can't Wix test an OEM Mazda filter and reverse engineer it ?

Re: Wix's custom filter 57002 created for Mazda... [Re: badtlc] #3446615
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from wix: No Beta just nominal rating.

Part Number: 57002
UPC Number: 765809570023
Principle Application: Various Mazda (13-15)
Applications
Style: Spin-On Lube Filter
Service: Lube
Type: Full Flow
Media: Paper
Height: 2.827
Outer Diameter Top: 2.685
Outer Diameter Bottom: Closed:
Thread Size: 20X1.5 MM
By-Pass Valve Setting-PSI: 11-14
Nominal Micron Rating: 15



Gasket Diameters


Number

O.D.

I.D.

Thk.
Attached 2.464 2.257 0.2


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Re: Wix's custom filter 57002 created for Mazda... [Re: badtlc] #3447844
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OK, I just got off the phone with a Wix person, not in engineering frown and this was what I learned:

With regards to the 57002:
- Wix can only publicly say the threads are different for the 57002 filter.
- No comment on what "nominal 15 micron rating" mean. Not quantification of percentage or anything. No beta ratios will be published.
- Wix took the OEM filter, tested it, and made a filter that was AT LEAST equal to the OEM in every way, including filtration efficiency.

I will start another thread about some other information I learned.


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Re: Wix's custom filter 57002 created for Mazda... [Re: badtlc] #3447847
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^^^^^ "Nominal" here may mean its 50% @ 15 microns, not sure. Sometimes its customary to state the half (50%) point as nominal.
If true, that means this filter uses the same media regular Wix and NAPA Gold filters use in all likelihood, since regular media is good to 95% @ 20 microns using ISO 4548-12.

Re: Wix's custom filter 57002 created for Mazda... [Re: ElastoHydro] #3447852
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Originally Posted By: ElastoHydro
^^^^^ "Nominal" here may mean its 50% @ 15 microns, not sure. Sometimes its customary to state the half (50%) point as nominal.
If true, that means this filter uses the same media regular Wix and NAPA Gold filters use in all likelihood, since regular media is good to 95% @ 20 microns using ISO 4548-12.


The guy said he could not quantify the rating in any way due to disclosure restrictions. I asked if that was what it meant.

They list beta ratios for several other Wix filters and they are NOT the same. There seems to be no standard Wix filter media.

Last edited by badtlc; 08/06/14 12:32 PM.

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Re: Wix's custom filter 57002 created for Mazda... [Re: ElastoHydro] #3447855
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Originally Posted By: ElastoHydro
^^^^^ "Nominal" here may mean its 50% @ 15 microns, not sure. Sometimes its customary to state the half (50%) point as nominal.
If true, that means this filter uses the same media regular Wix and NAPA Gold filters use in all likelihood, since regular media is good to 95% @ 20 microns using ISO 4548-12.


That would be my take too.

Re: Wix's custom filter 57002 created for Mazda... [Re: ZeeOSix] #3447863
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problem is there is no regular media for Wix & Napa Golds.


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Originally Posted By: badtlc
The guy said he could not quantify the rating in any way due to disclosure restrictions. I asked if that was what it meant.


"Disclosure restrictions" ...? Wow, is it some super secret or maybe it's too bad to show the consumer?

Re: Wix's custom filter 57002 created for Mazda... [Re: badtlc] #3447919
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Originally Posted By: badtlc
problem is there is no regular media for Wix & Napa Golds.


Very often we see beta ratios of 2/20=6/20, which translates to 50%@6 microns & 95%@20, which indicates they use the same filter paper/glass blend in Wix and NAPA Gold. Are there some exceptions? Probably.

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