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#3395155 - 06/11/14 09:07 PM Re: Firestone Destination LE2 or Cooper Discoverer HT [Re: mannymachine]
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How about the General Grabber HTS or Grabber AT2 or Continental ContiTrack? The BF Goodrich Radial TA (white lettering yo) and Long Trail TA may also be good choices.

Kumho also has a Road Venture APT, which might be better than your current KR21's because they are actually a truck tire as opposed to a car tire.

I'd probably take the Grabber HTS
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#3395519 - 06/12/14 10:09 AM Re: Firestone Destination LE2 or Cooper Discoverer HT [Re: mannymachine]
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LE2 - just half worn... Would never be on my vehicle looking like this.

Look how deep the groove is at the arrow. The tire isn't worn out, but due to its poor design.... it is! There's nothing like designing and selling a tire that will need to be replaced much sooner than necessary.



Edited by mrsilv04 (06/12/14 10:17 AM)
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#3395607 - 06/12/14 11:57 AM Re: Firestone Destination LE2 or Cooper Discoverer HT [Re: mrsilv04]
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Originally Posted By: mrsilv04
LE2 - just half worn... Would never be on my vehicle looking like this.

Look how deep the groove is at the arrow. The tire isn't worn out, but due to its poor design.... it is! There's nothing like designing and selling a tire that will need to be replaced much sooner than necessary.



The tire looks okay to me. I don't understand what you mean when
you say the tire is half worn, and worn out?
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#3395624 - 06/12/14 12:17 PM Re: Firestone Destination LE2 or Cooper Discoverer HT [Re: mannymachine]
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A lot of the siping is gone, meaning that a lot of the wet traction and snow traction is likely to be gone with it. Compare that picture with one of a new LE2.



What once were somewhat individual tread blocks (on the new tire) quickly fade into larger, more nebulous tread blocks. This type of tread design usually offers good performance when new, but traction often falls off quickly as the tread wears.

Other tire choices, including the Coopers, change less as they wear, which potentially means that the tire's performance will degrade less over time. There's more to wet- and winter-weather traction than siping alone, but the relatively rapid loss of tread grooving certainly doesn't help.

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#3395629 - 06/12/14 12:23 PM Re: Firestone Destination LE2 or Cooper Discoverer HT [Re: mannymachine]
Hokiefyd Offline


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The other choice was a Cooper Discoverer HT. Here's a picture of a new one:



And here's a picture of a half-used one, one that actually appears to have been run over-inflated for a while:



Yes, much of the center tread rib has changed, but you can see how the next two outer tread ribs, and the shoulder ribs, maintain most of their profile. Most of the siping goes all the way down to the "floor" of the tread. Where the shoulder of the Firestone has become completely closed, the Cooper maintains an open shoulder design all the way down to legal wear-out.

Don't get me wrong: I'm not saying that the Firestone is a bad tire. I'm not saying that the Cooper is a good tire. Tread/sipe depth as the tire wears has to be but one of the factors taken into consideration when shopping for a tire. I like to point it out because it's a factor that many people overlook. How much this factor is taken into consideration by the buyer is his or her own decision.

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#3395654 - 06/12/14 12:49 PM Re: Firestone Destination LE2 or Cooper Discoverer HT [Re: mannymachine]
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Try Cooper Discoverer HT3: http://us.coopertire.com/Tires/Light-Truck/Discoverer-HT3.aspx

They were cheaper than the H/T, less weight (material, shipping?). The H/T do have a rebate on Cooper's website though that the HT3 don't.

We have done Cooper Discoverer H/T two times now and only gotten 20k out of them on a GMC Sierra 2500HD 4wd, short trip, moderately aggressive starting and stopping. The HT3 is suppose to be better for this type of driving. Just had them installed this week.

Center rib wore out first each time. Took them down to 3/32" and 4/32" this time and only got 20k out of them.


Edited by mikefxu (06/12/14 12:50 PM)

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#3395666 - 06/12/14 01:02 PM Re: Firestone Destination LE2 or Cooper Discoverer HT [Re: Hokiefyd]
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That looks like a huge difference in tread depth for that bridgestone tire. I'd like to know how much tread was worn off. I don't see anything unusual on that bridgestone.
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#3395683 - 06/12/14 01:16 PM Re: Firestone Destination LE2 or Cooper Discoverer HT [Re: mannymachine]
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Okay the pictures make perfect sense now. The dynamics of the tires
are constantly changing as they wear. That is why people need to adjust their driving habits also as they wear. But most people don't understand that, and drive the same, too fast in the rain and snow not matter what the tread depth is.
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#3395747 - 06/12/14 02:23 PM Re: Firestone Destination LE2 or Cooper Discoverer HT [Re: badtlc]
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Originally Posted By: badtlc
That looks like a huge difference in tread depth for that bridgestone tire. I'd like to know how much tread was worn off. I don't see anything unusual on that bridgestone.


You mean for the Firestone tire, picture posted earlier? The tire looks to have at least 7-8/32" of tread remaining (it starts at 12/32" as I recall). If you look at the picture of a new LE2 that I posted, you can see by looking at the shoulder sipes, where they meet the first large groove, that they're only 3-4/32" deep. That seems to be the case for many of the tread features on that tire.

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#3396155 - 06/12/14 11:41 PM Re: Firestone Destination LE2 or Cooper Discoverer HT [Re: Hokiefyd]
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Originally Posted By: Hokiefyd
Tread/sipe depth as the tire wears has to be but one of the factors taken into consideration when shopping for a tire. I like to point it out because it's a factor that many people overlook. How much this factor is taken into consideration by the buyer is his or her own decision.

Most drivers in So Cal didn't pay attentions to this tread/sipe depth, because we only have few days of light rain a year, we may have light snow once in a century.

My S2000 performance/handling on dry surface was better when the rear tire was down to less than legal limit.
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#3396241 - 06/13/14 06:09 AM Re: Firestone Destination LE2 or Cooper Discoverer HT [Re: HTSS_TR]
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Originally Posted By: HTSS_TR
Originally Posted By: Hokiefyd
Tread/sipe depth as the tire wears has to be but one of the factors taken into consideration when shopping for a tire. I like to point it out because it's a factor that many people overlook. How much this factor is taken into consideration by the buyer is his or her own decision.

Most drivers in So Cal didn't pay attentions to this tread/sipe depth, because we only have few days of light rain a year, we may have light snow once in a century.


Yes, excellent point. That's why I said earlier that each buyer will have to factor-in how important siping depth is. It primarily influences wet weather and winter weather traction. If most of your time is spent on dry roads, it may not be much of a consideration for you.

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#3399910 - 06/17/14 03:51 PM Re: Firestone Destination LE2 or Cooper Discoverer HT [Re: mannymachine]
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Thank you all for the advice and opinions. I am leaning towards the Firestone Destination LE 2. Price and reviews are good. Than you all!

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