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Re: Archoil products [Re: kimandsally] #3867004
09/27/15 02:41 PM
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I used Archoil's oil additive. Of all the additives I have tried, it is the best - hands down. I noticed the difference right away.

With a newer car where the oil is changed on schedule with top tier oils, it most likely wouldn't make a bit of discernable difference. With an older engine, engineered before CNC engine machining, it has the better chance for impact. I fall into this category.

This, parenthetically for me, is where the battle lines get drawn on archoil and others: "It didn't work for me", usually they are in the first camp; "It worked for me", generally in the latter camp.

For me, Archoil works.


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2001 S60-T5 Volvo
Re: Ordered Archoil [Re: Antisoshal] #3940758
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I am hoping that some of the users of Archoil 9300 come back to this thread and report on their UOA besides the 'feel' of the car.

Besides the high cost cost of AR9300 (around $70 per treatment in an average car engine), would there be a reason not to use it in automotive applications due to unintended 'restoration' of the engine surfaces in which the OEM clearances are compromised? Is this even possible with a product such as Archoil 9300?

It seems to me that the main focus of AR9300 is heavy equipment, industrial applications, NOT cars.

Originally Posted By: Antisoshal
Boxcart, please stop. You aren't helping on any level at this point.

Looking forward to your results Gale. I'm currently using a mix of 9100 and 9300 in my Land Rover 2.5L diesel. Since I dont have any lab grade empirical results that would survive the peer review process for publication, I wont share them other than one: The Wife Test.

The rover is a bit of a noisy and rough lummox and at highway speeds the motor noise and vibration are quite substantial. Before a 5600 mile excursion this summer I put the recommended doses of 9300 and 9100 in a fresh change of T6 (Rotella). I did not give my wife any indication something had been altered or introduced. About 4 hours into our drive my wife asked if I fixed something because it was much quieter and smoother. I had noticed as well, but since the placebo effect could be assigned to my own perception it was interesting to note that she noticed a difference as well.

Re: Ordered Archoil [Re: SR1919] #3940841
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Originally Posted By: SR1919
I am hoping that some of the users of Archoil 9300 come back to this thread and report on their UOA besides the 'feel' of the car.

Besides the high cost cost of AR9300 (around $70 per treatment in an average car engine), would there be a reason not to use it in automotive applications due to unintended 'restoration' of the engine surfaces in which the OEM clearances are compromised? Is this even possible with a product such as Archoil 9300?

It seems to me that the main focus of AR9300 is heavy equipment, industrial applications, NOT cars.


There's nothing in a UOA that would show the "effectiveness" of this additive, even if you had a definition of what effective meant.

And as for as restoration of engine surfaces...


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1996 Honda Accord, 267K
1999 Toyota Sienna, 409K
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Re: Ordered Archoil [Re: kimandsally] #3941201
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Intake track is completely clean. Never before. Ever. No crankcase blowby. No turbo blowby. Completely clean after 7K miles. Incredible...

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Re: Ordered Archoil [Re: keesue] #3941223
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Originally Posted By: keesue
Intake track is completely clean. Never before. Ever. No crankcase blowby. No turbo blowby. Completely clean after 7K miles. Incredible...


Thanks for sharing your experience. Did you use Archoil 9300? And is your car a diesel?

Re: Ordered Archoil [Re: kschachn] #3941228
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Originally Posted By: kschachn
Originally Posted By: SR1919
I am hoping that some of the users of Archoil 9300 come back to this thread and report on their UOA besides the 'feel' of the car.

Besides the high cost cost of AR9300 (around $70 per treatment in an average car engine), would there be a reason not to use it in automotive applications due to unintended 'restoration' of the engine surfaces in which the OEM clearances are compromised? Is this even possible with a product such as Archoil 9300?

It seems to me that the main focus of AR9300 is heavy equipment, industrial applications, NOT cars.


There's nothing in a UOA that would show the "effectiveness" of this additive, even if you had a definition of what effective meant.

And as for as restoration of engine surfaces...


I was thinking more in the line of more than one UOA with and without Archoil 9300 to compare. This is assuming a similar, on the average, driving pattern between oil changes.

Re: Ordered Archoil [Re: SR1919] #3941567
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Originally Posted By: SR1919
I was thinking more in the line of more than one UOA with and without Archoil 9300 to compare. This is assuming a similar, on the average, driving pattern between oil changes.


OK, well let me put it this way, what parameter(s) of a UOA would you be comparing that would show effectiveness?


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Re: Ordered Archoil [Re: kschachn] #3941859
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Originally Posted By: kschachn
Originally Posted By: SR1919
I was thinking more in the line of more than one UOA with and without Archoil 9300 to compare. This is assuming a similar, on the average, driving pattern between oil changes.


OK, well let me put it this way, what parameter(s) of a UOA would you be comparing that would show effectiveness?


Wear metals for example.

Re: Ordered Archoil [Re: SR1919] #3942598
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Originally Posted By: SR1919
Originally Posted By: kschachn
Originally Posted By: SR1919
I was thinking more in the line of more than one UOA with and without Archoil 9300 to compare. This is assuming a similar, on the average, driving pattern between oil changes.


OK, well let me put it this way, what parameter(s) of a UOA would you be comparing that would show effectiveness?


Wear metals for example.


Not true for driveline components. As we have seen in some past UOA's, there were very few wear metals showing just before a major component failure.

A UOA, when compared to a VOA, shows how well the TBN is holding up or if there is any coolant intrusion.

One must have a VOA of any mix, so you have a baseline for comparison, or the UOA is virtually useless.


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Besides the high cost cost of AR9300 (around $70 per treatment in an average car engine), would there be a reason not to use it in automotive applications due to unintended 'restoration' of the engine surfaces in which the OEM clearances are compromised? Is this even possible with a product such as Archoil 9300?

It seems to me that the main focus of AR9300 is heavy equipment, industrial applications, NOT cars.


And what chemical components ar in Archoil that would show any tribological improvements over a good conventional or synthetic engine oil?

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Re: Ordered Archoil [Re: MolaKule] #3942900
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Originally Posted By: MolaKule
[quote=SR1919][quote=kschachn][quote=SR1919]

And what chemical components ar in Archoil that would show any tribological improvements over a good conventional or synthetic engine oil?


Good question. I had to guess a combination of WS2 and borate esters maybe. I have not found a VOA for Archoil 9300 yet.

I was trying to see if those folks that have used Archoil 9300 in their cars have observed any negative effects. For example some unintended reaction with seals, leaks or anything else that can be reported.

I would say that as a start one needs the VOA of the base oil that you are going to add Archoil 9300 to and then compare it so many miles/hours/cycles later via a UOA. Also there are some forums that contain databases of UOAs for specific range of engines (TDIs, CDIs, etc.) that one can analyze and compare averages (IF for the same kind of engine).

I agree that it is not an easy way to come to compare and draw conclusions.

Re: Ordered Archoil [Re: kimandsally] #3943215
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Even worse than trying to interpret a wear metal number from a UOA would be trying to attribute the difference to the additive.


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Re: Archoil products [Re: kimandsally] #3943378
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Quote:
I would say that as a start one needs the VOA of the base oil that you are going to add Archoil 9300 to and then compare it so many miles/hours/cycles later via a UOA.


The better way would be to mix the additive with the formulated engine oil and obtain a VOA analysis of the mix. That way you have a firm and accurate baseline.


Quote:
Also there are some forums that contain databases of UOAs for specific range of engines (TDIs, CDIs, etc.) that one can analyze and compare averages (IF for the same kind of engine).


The problem with that is there are just too many variables such as:

1. different driving styles

2. different engine and driveline designs

3. different fuels,

4. different engine oil formulations,

5. different climatic conditions


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Re: Archoil products [Re: MolaKule] #3943656
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Yes good suggestion about getting a VOA with the Archoil additive mixed in. The tricky part is how to do it proportionally with such a small amount of additive such as the Archoil 9300 (100 ml).

In terms of the UOA database I agree that in order to minimize variability you need a as many data points as you can get and that is not always possible or practical.

In any case from a qualitative point of view I appreciate folks who come here and report back on their experience with the Archoil products such as the 9300.

Originally Posted By: MolaKule
Quote:
I would say that as a start one needs the VOA of the base oil that you are going to add Archoil 9300 to and then compare it so many miles/hours/cycles later via a UOA.


The better way would be to mix the additive with the formulated engine oil and obtain a VOA analysis of the mix. That way you have a firm and accurate baseline.


Quote:
Also there are some forums that contain databases of UOAs for specific range of engines (TDIs, CDIs, etc.) that one can analyze and compare averages (IF for the same kind of engine).


The problem with that is there are just too many variables such as:

1. different driving styles

2. different engine and driveline designs

3. different fuels,

4. different engine oil formulations,

5. different climatic conditions

Re: Ordered Archoil [Re: SR1919] #3943979
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Originally Posted By: SR1919
Originally Posted By: MolaKule
[quote=SR1919][quote=kschachn][quote=SR1919]

And what chemical components ar in Archoil that would show any tribological improvements over a good conventional or synthetic engine oil?


Good question. I had to guess a combination of WS2 and borate esters maybe. I have not found a VOA for Archoil 9300 yet.

I was trying to see if those folks that have used Archoil 9300 in their cars have observed any negative effects. For example some unintended reaction with seals, leaks or anything else that can be reported.

I would say that as a start one needs the VOA of the base oil that you are going to add Archoil 9300 to and then compare it so many miles/hours/cycles later via a UOA. Also there are some forums that contain databases of UOAs for specific range of engines (TDIs, CDIs, etc.) that one can analyze and compare averages (IF for the same kind of engine).

I agree that it is not an easy way to come to compare and draw conclusions.


The problem is that the 9300 product is SO durned costly that even the small amount needed for a VOA is costing the sender a very pretty penny. frown


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Re: Ordered Archoil [Re: SR1919] #3944492
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Originally Posted By: SR1919
Originally Posted By: keesue
Intake track is completely clean. Never before. Ever. No crankcase blowby. No turbo blowby. Completely clean after 7K miles. Incredible...


Thanks for sharing your experience. Did you use Archoil 9300? And is your car a diesel?


Sure thing. Archoil 9100. Gasoline turbocharged engine (The 1981 TurboVolvo). I have no explanation for this other than the rings are sealing better and the turbo bearing is cleaner. All I know is what I've observed.

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