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Ram Hemi hydraulic lifter failure...oil related? #2828939 12/09/12 08:42 AM
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I have a 2009 Dodge Ram with 5.7 litre Hemi and about 65,000 miles on it. Just had a problem with one of the roller hydraulic lifters--it collapsed causing a loud ticking/knocking sound and wear on a valve. Definitely not normal for the Hemi engine which is robust. Replacement involves removing the heads, etc. Expensive repair (Canadian trucks don't get the lifetime powertrain that US owners get). I may get goodwill warranty from Chrysler Canada--they're looking into it.

Dealer and Chrysler can't explain how or why the lifter would fail. In over 30 years of driving I've never had a lifter problem in any vehicle...many of them high mileage. I'm meticulous with my oil changes--I only use the 5w20 recommended weight (MDS engine) and always full synthetic. Most recently Castrol Edge. I've also used Mobil 1 and Pennzoil Platinum. Oil is changed before the oil life monitor comes on...I typically change at 5,000 miles.

I initially used the OEM Mopar filters which are very good, but access to the oil filter on these trucks is difficult especially trying to get a filter wrench on them. As a result on two or three oil changes I used Fram filters which have the easy-to-grip surface.

I'm not familiar with the full operation of roller hydraulic lifters and what role oil would play in longevity. That's my first question. The second question is, if this was your truck what oil would you run going forward? Other than this lifter issue, the truck has been great...very reliable and I plan to keep it a long time.

Appreciate any input. Thank you.

Re: Ram Hemi hydraulic lifter failure...oil related? [Re: BullyT] #2828949 12/09/12 08:48 AM
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Most any mechanical thing eventually will fail. Could just have been a defective lifter. Stinks that it happened though don't misunderstand me.

Do you know if it was one of the special MDS lifters or one of the regular ones?


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Re: Ram Hemi hydraulic lifter failure...oil related? [Re: BullyT] #2828951 12/09/12 08:49 AM
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I would do a short 500mile oci after the work is done. No way some dirt did not get in the engine during repair. Afterwards, i'd continue with the synthetic. You may had just gotten the bad lifter off the assembly line. ( May not be an oil related failure).


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Re: Ram Hemi hydraulic lifter failure...oil related? [Re: BullyT] #2828952 12/09/12 08:50 AM
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Lifters fail regardless of miles. Rare, but it happens. The oil had no connection to the failure. If it was the oil then Hemi's all over the place would have this problem.


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Re: Ram Hemi hydraulic lifter failure...oil related? [Re: NHHEMI] #2828955 12/09/12 08:52 AM
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I just know it's a Hemi with the MDS system. Dealer is sending worn/defective parts to Chrysler for inspection. Fully understand that mechanical things fail eventually, although this was premature.

Re: Ram Hemi hydraulic lifter failure...oil related? [Re: BullyT] #2828956 12/09/12 08:53 AM
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The only problems I've seen with those engines are where people have put 15W-40 in them.

Re: Ram Hemi hydraulic lifter failure...oil related? [Re: BullyT] #2828962 12/09/12 08:59 AM
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It just failed. Bet there is no wear on it. Wasn't oil related. You'd have more then one and it would show wear. You used same oil thousands use.


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Re: Ram Hemi hydraulic lifter failure...oil related? [Re: BullyT] #2828993 12/09/12 09:38 AM
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A little google search shows that this is common to the hemi's and they have a known lifter issue. When you ask for goodwill from the dealer be nice, but bring in a huge stack of similar complaints printed from other Internet sites. They know this is not an isolated event, but they and other dealers love to pretend that it's news to them.

Re: Ram Hemi hydraulic lifter failure...oil related? [Re: tig1] #2828995 12/09/12 09:38 AM
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agree...
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Lifters fail regardless of miles. Rare, but it happens. The oil had no connection to the failure. If it was the oil then Hemi's all over the place would have this problem.


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Re: Ram Hemi hydraulic lifter failure...oil related? [Re: widman] #2828999 12/09/12 09:43 AM
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Originally Posted By: widman
The only problems I've seen with those engines are where people have put 15W-40 in them.
What oil problems have you heard of with 15w40? With the actual MDS or with the Hemi engine. 15w40 although considered by some here as too thick to even leave the container, was actually developed for mixed fleets of gas and diesel engines and I ould think it would have no effects on a regular hemi engine, or any gas realated work truck engine. I can see the MDS being effected. Although I do know some stubborn people who refuse to use 5w20 oil in their trucks with MDS and say no difference with 5w30.



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Re: Ram Hemi hydraulic lifter failure...oil related? [Re: Panzerman] #2829007 12/09/12 09:52 AM
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Originally Posted By: Panzerman
15w40 although considered by some here as too thick to even leave the container,
LOL, good one. grin2

We had a 250kW generator at my work on which I performed the weekly PM checks. Left a gallon of 15W-40 inside the enclosure year 'round and when I needed to top off in the winter, it did kind of go "blop-blop-blop" as it was being poured. This generator also needed an oil pan heater to start properly in Jan/Feb...


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Re: Ram Hemi hydraulic lifter failure...oil related? [Re: sky7] #2829011 12/09/12 09:53 AM
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ive spent considerable time on different dodge forums, seems like people only have oiling issues following neglect, and those usualy start with knocking and flickering oil light, (pick up screen is sludged) . or are you refering to the hemi tick? dont think thats a oiling issue.
Originally Posted By: sky7
A little google search shows that this is common to the hemi's and they have a known oiling issue. When you ask for goodwill from the dealer be nice, but bring in a huge stack of similar complaints printed from other Internet sites. They know this is not an isolated event, but they and other dealers love to pretend that it's news to them.


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Re: Ram Hemi hydraulic lifter failure...oil related? [Re: coolbird101] #2829030 12/09/12 10:08 AM
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Originally Posted By: coolbird101
ive spent considerable time on different dodge forums, seems like people only have oiling issues following neglect, and those usualy start with knocking and flickering oil light, (pick up screen is sludged) . or are you refering to the hemi tick? dont think thats a oiling issue.
Originally Posted By: sky7
A little google search shows that this is common to the hemi's and they have a known oiling issue. When you ask for goodwill from the dealer be nice, but bring in a huge stack of similar complaints printed from other Internet sites. They know this is not an isolated event, but they and other dealers love to pretend that it's news to them.


Maybe it's the tick I'm seeing. I just googled hemi lifter failure and came up with many pages of lifter complaints and I ASSumed they were related. I stand corrected.

At any rate, 65k is premature.

Re: Ram Hemi hydraulic lifter failure...oil related? [Re: sky7] #2829056 12/09/12 10:29 AM
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Originally Posted By: sky7
A little google search shows that this is common to the hemi's and they have a known lifter issue. When you ask for goodwill from the dealer be nice, but bring in a huge stack of similar complaints printed from other Internet sites. They know this is not an isolated event, but they and other dealers love to pretend that it's news to them.


You are correct that the "Hemi tick" is a common issue, but it is more of an annoyance than anything...it doesn't affect long term durability of the engine. I didn't get the common Hemi tick which tends to disappear when the engine warms up. My engine was fine for 65,000 miles then from one day to the next it developed a loud tick--almost a knocking sound. It was also continuous--hot or cold engine. A slight Hemi tick is common, a collapsed lifter is not.

Re: Ram Hemi hydraulic lifter failure...oil related? [Re: BullyT] #2829107 12/09/12 11:34 AM
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This was a common problem on the 3.7 V6's and 4.7 V8's, mostly the pre 2008 versions though. Never heard of it on a 5.7 Hemi.


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