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Re: 2011 VW GTI or Golf TDI for Daily Driver [Re: wn1998] #2230252 04/12/11 03:47 PM
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http://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/car/10q1/2010_volkswagen_gti_3-door_dsg-short_take_road_test

http://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/car/09q4/2010_volkswagen_golf_tdi-short_take_road_test


GTI: 6.1 sec 0-60; 14.7 sec/96mph 1/14 mile
TDI: 8.0 sec 0-60; 16.2 sec/85mph 1/4 mile

If you have a pulse, get the GTI. I would go along with C&D in their classification of the TDI's acceleration as 'tepid'


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Re: 2011 VW GTI or Golf TDI for Daily Driver [Re: redcon1] #2230281 04/12/11 04:10 PM
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Originally Posted By: redcon1
GTI: 6.1 sec 0-60; 14.7 sec/96mph 1/14 mile
TDI: 8.0 sec 0-60; 16.2 sec/85mph 1/4 mile

0-60 times aren't particularly relevant in day-to-day driving. Show us some 20-40 or 40-60 times and we'll have something on the table.

They also don't give a good idea of how the car actually feels, which (I hope you'll agree) is a lot more important than how quick it can possibly go in a controlled environment. For example, the 2006 Audi A4 2.0T is supposed to be almost 1 second slower than the 3.2 version from 0-60, but if my experience is any indication, it definitely does not feel that way in most real-world situations.


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Re: 2011 VW GTI or Golf TDI for Daily Driver [Re: d00df00d] #2230390 04/12/11 06:08 PM
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OK, here's my subjective opinion, having driven all 4 cars you mention. Also. I've owned 6 VAG vehicles (2 currently), including a diesel, as well as 2 BMWs.

The TDI FEELS slow.

btw, 0-60 is pretty relevant in my daily driving. Ever try merging onto a US route after the person in front of you stops dead in the acceleration lane?


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Re: 2011 VW GTI or Golf TDI for Daily Driver [Re: redcon1] #2230411 04/12/11 06:28 PM
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Originally Posted By: redcon1
btw, 0-60 is pretty relevant in my daily driving. Ever try merging onto a US route after the person in front of you stops dead in the acceleration lane?

Fair point. I suppose it's up to the OP to decide whether that scenario is likely enough that the extra speed would be worth considering.

I certainly have been in that situation, but only a few times in the past few years, and 0-60 in around 8 seconds had me covered every time; guess that's why I figure it's not worth worrying about. But, as always, YMMV...


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Re: 2011 VW GTI or Golf TDI for Daily Driver [Re: wn1998] #2230415 04/12/11 06:34 PM
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I've driven both, and I would pick the GTI over the TDI any day.

The GTI is much more rev-happy, and if you have APR Stage 1 installed for $600, your car will be significantly more powerful without a decline in fuel economy.


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Re: 2011 VW GTI or Golf TDI for Daily Driver [Re: wn1998] #2230445 04/12/11 06:58 PM
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Also throw into the equation the DI valve deposit issues and the potential costs and inconvenience to perform the periodic cleaning in order for GTI performance not to degrade to TDI level.


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Re: 2011 VW GTI or Golf TDI for Daily Driver [Re: wn1998] #2230450 04/12/11 07:03 PM
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The older TDIs needed intake cleanings as well. I doubt the newer ones will be exempt from this.


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Re: 2011 VW GTI or Golf TDI for Daily Driver [Re: wn1998] #2230515 04/12/11 08:22 PM
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I've driven a friend's New Beetle TDi (female friend) on the freeway.

I was really suprised at how well it cruised at freeway speed. My previous freeway experience was in a much older Rabbit diesel. You had to put your foot through the firewall to keep up with freeway traffic (which given the rust, that was a real possibility)


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Re: 2011 VW GTI or Golf TDI for Daily Driver [Re: wn1998] #2230680 04/12/11 11:02 PM
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Having driven neither, I think I'd go for the TDI. It's got plenty of torque and I'd love the ~600-700 mile range on road trips. If the performance of the TDI weren't good enough for me, I'd be looking at the WRX or the Mazdaspeed3 before the GTI, all things considered.

Re: 2011 VW GTI or Golf TDI for Daily Driver [Re: wn1998] #2231890 04/14/11 07:35 AM
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I've driven an '09 GTI and an '11 Jetta TDI, and I'd have to say it depends on what you're looking for.

The GTI definitely feels quicker, and gas mileage isn't bad. The TDI isn't slow - you won't have a problem merging with traffic for example, but you won't win any races. My dad's '11 TDI gets 40mpg average with about 60-70% highway driving.


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Re: 2011 VW GTI or Golf TDI for Daily Driver [Re: cos] #2241270 04/23/11 05:44 PM
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This just might be a deal killer:

From the March '10 issue of C&D:

"Once running, the diesel engine barely created enough heat to affect coolant temperatures. As a result, the heater struggled to produce warm air, even on 40-degree days. One stingingly cold morning, at 10-below, the Jettas coolant needle didnt move at all, even after driving 20 miles. Thankfully this Jetta has heated seats, otherwise I might be frostbitten, a staffer reported. To deal with this shortcoming, Canadian models come with an electric heater that will blow warm air even when engine temps are too low to produce any heat. Our U.S.-spec TDI was not thus equipped, so we shivered our way to work on cold days."

http://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/car/..._the_joy_page_2



My '09 has the electric heater....they all did in '09. I would assume the newer ones do, too.

I have driven my '09 at single digit F temps. No problems getting immediate warm air from the electric heater and then hot air after the car hit operating temp (20 miles or so at those low temps).

I have 85k miles on my '09 and have averaged 45.6mpg so far. I drive mostly highway...not the best for mpg. My best mpg comes at 45 - 50 mph in 5th (low 50s w/out the AC).

I love this car and would buy another in a minute.

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Re: 2011 VW GTI or Golf TDI for Daily Driver [Re: wn1998] #2242548 04/25/11 09:16 AM
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Are all GTI's with the dsg now? If so, I'd get the tdi. If not, I'd get the gti.

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You have an option on the GTI: DSG or manual.


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Re: 2011 VW GTI or Golf TDI for Daily Driver [Re: Quattro Pete] #2244440 04/26/11 09:00 PM
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To the OP....I own a 2008 GTI with the DSG and I love it. I'm at 30,000 miles and no problems. I keep meticulous records for MPG ( I have not missed a fill up ) and we are averaging 25.15 mpg in very spirited driving. If I'm driving for mpg's I can get 30 mpg pretty easily without hyper-miling tactics. The GTI has 2 personalities. The DSG is mostly responsible for this...it has 2 distinctly different shift programs that you control...plus the paddles.

If MPG are your number 1 criteria I would say go with the TDI every single time. But if you want a pretty fun car to drive around and still get respectable MPG's, considering the cars capabilities, then the GTI is the pocket rocket of choice.

You have a Versa for great MPG ( I know it's your wifes )...I think it would be pretty cool to have a TDI...but the drive would get boring to me after a while.

One last thought...in 2008 when oil hit $147 a barrel diesel was about $.70 more than premium. Right now it's the same...but we ship refined diesel to Europe and if the global GDP picks up you will probably see diesel prices start to climb again.

We burn gas in the USA...That 2.0 TSI/FSI engine VW makes is pretty wicked.


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Re: 2011 VW GTI or Golf TDI for Daily Driver [Re: redrocker55] #2248498 05/01/11 12:01 PM
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I agree with redrocker55. I also own a 08 gti w/ DSG. It has about 45k on it now. Has been excellent and if I were to buy a car today that is what I would buy. I really like the TDI golf though. Buy a GTI if you want the fun factor (chasis, engine, tranny combo is exccellent). Buy the TDI if mpg factor overides all else.

Redrocker, you can improve your mpg by roughly 5 mpg by cleaning the intake valves. Mine increased about 3 mpg for mixed and 5 mpg freeway after cleaning the valves. I get 36 mpg fwy best case scenario (not hypermiling) with 32-33 being more the norm.


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