XOM Synthetic basestocks for automotive engine oil

[tig1]

Originally Posted By: maersk
Mobil market Group III, HydroCracked as "Fully Synthetic". Mobil 1 Super 3000 X1 5w40 product description in English:

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Mobil Super 3000 X1 5W-40
Premium Fully Synthetic Passenger Vehicle Engine Oil

Product Description
TheMobil Super 3000 range of lubricants are ultra premiumsynthetic engine oils, designed to provide outstanding levels of protection and performance

From XOM, no less.

A "Fully Ultra Premium Synthetic" oil with a pour point of only -39ºC. Yeah, I'll buy that for a dollar.

Then again, maybe it's Group 5? Yeah, right.

Here's the description for Mobil 1 Super 3000 X1 5w40 in German (they can't get away with the bamboozling in Germany):

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Produktbeschreibung

Die Mobil Super 3000 Serie umfaßt Leichtlaufmotorenöle auf Basis der hochwertigen HC-Synthese Technologie, die dazu konzipiert wurden, herausragenden Schutz und Leistung des Motors zu gewährleisten.

Or

Quote:
Additional Information

The Mobil Super 3000 series includes low-friction engine oils based on high-quality HC synthesis technology that are designed to ensure outstanding engine protection and performance.

I'm not calling their product bad, it isn't. I'm just calling them liars. Well, at least they're not as bas as Castrol, a pox be upon them, who are brazen enough to call plain old mineral oil (not even hydrocracked) "Fully synthetic".

Originally Posted By: vinu_neuro
Uh, this is where HTHS and having German OEM approvals like MB 229.5 and Porsche A40 come into play.


I can show you HydroCracked oils with enough OEM approvals to boggle the mind.


So, are you saying XM lies and deceives the public to be able to sell their oils?

 

[biodiesel]

Originally Posted By: tig1

So, are you saying XM lies and deceives the public to be able to sell their oils?


Takes advantage of the mass ignorance the American general public has regarding oil would probably be a less volatile way of putting it.

 

[Tom NJ]

Originally Posted By: maersk
But no one does it quite as shamelessly as Castrol, a pox be upon them, who call refined mineral oil that isn't even HydroCracked (Group III) "Fully Synthetic"

How do you know that Castrol's Magnatec is not based on Group III?

Tom NJ

 

[maersk]

Their own Safety and Product Data Sheets and product descriptions in German.

Same exact oil that reads "HC-Synthese" for sale in Germany reads "Fully Synthetic" everywhere else.

 

[buster]

Was told by Mobil that the new PDS's will be available around the end of the 2nd qt of 2011.

 

[demarpaint]

Originally Posted By: buster
Was told by Mobil that the new PDS's will be available around the end of the 2nd qt of 2011.


Seems XOM and Castrol are in no hurry to get the updated PDS sheets out.

 

[CATERHAM]

It was only 6 months ago that Mobil updated their PDS with significant changes to many of their grades.

 

[demarpaint]

Last I checked both Castrol and Mobil were listing the SM specs. Have they been updated recently? Castrol Edge PDS I saw is from 12/09.

 

[maersk]

So they'll magically stop lying in advertisements and on labels when the new data sheets come in?

Or will they start lying about base stocks in the sheets too? Or maybe just conveniently omit the compromising info that's in there now.

No matter, I can still tell from the VI, pour point, retail price, German language product descriptions and other clues what they're really selling even though I'm not buying anyways as I see no reason to switch brand.

 

[steve20]

Who writes this stuff for XOM?

"Better volatility for reduced engine oil emissions""

Wouldn't you rather say DECREASED volatility...., or Better volatility CONTROL.....

 

[CATERHAM]

And what are "engine oil emmisions"?
Can we install a catalytic convertor on that?
Wouldn't reduced evaporative losses be more accurate?
I guess "reduced .....emissions" sounds more enviromentally freindly.