XD3 0W-30 in a 2006 Volvo V70 R?

[ktm525]

Background: I just dumped the factory fill(semi syn?) on the V70 R (2.5L inline 5 high boost turbo), mileage 2500km. Refilled with GC 0w30 and frsh filter.

Volvo recommends 12 000km (7500mile) OCI with "standard dino", not even synthetic, ballsy.

The dealer recommends 8 000km (5000 mile) OCI which is on my bill.

The car typically is typically used running around the city (75%) and highway trips (25%).

Questions:

I was thinking of going with the Volvo interval of 12k kms since I am using a more robust synthetic. Some have suggested that this is too long and 8k kms is the max I should go. What interval?

After this fill of GC I plan on using my stash of XD3 0w30 (grp IV synthetic). This oil has a great TBN and should be able to make the above the interval. The ash level is a little high though 1.4%? Is running 0w30 XD3 a good idea?

thanks.

 

[Patman]

I know that Esso 0w30 is a good oil but I personally would feel more comfortable running GC in that engine if it were me. In fact I convinced my father to use nothing but GC in his 2004 Volvo XC70 ever since his second oil change, and he sticks with the 12,000 km intervals too. I believe he's got 80,000 km on his Volvo now (so it's still just a baby)

 

[pitzel]

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Originally posted by Patman:
I know that Esso 0w30 is a good oil but I personally would feel more comfortable running GC in that engine if it were me

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Is this based on evidence, or anecdotal personal opinion?

The 12k interval is likely entirely appropriate for the car/engine with XD-3 0W-30. Don't be tempted to change oil too often.

Do a UOA if you have any doubts.

 

[BlazerLT]

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Originally posted by Patman:
I know that Esso 0w30 is a good oil but I personally would feel more comfortable running GC in that engine if it were me. In fact I convinced my father to use nothing but GC in his 2004 Volvo XC70 ever since his second oil change, and he sticks with the 12,000 km intervals too. I believe he's got 80,000 km on his Volvo now (so it's still just a baby)

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Any reason for putting the GC above XD3 in this case?

XD3 has a higher TBN and should be good for longer service intervals.

 

[Volvohead]

From one R owner to another, 5k max oci. Don't play the longer interval game with this engine.

They're both good oils.

I would have waited a little longer before going to a full syn, however.

 

[Patman]

I have no UOAs to support my choice of GC over Esso here, I just feel more comfortable recommending it since I've had such good luck with GC over the years. I know Esso is a great oil too, I just don't believe it's as good as GC. I highly doubt that Esso's base oil is as exotic as GC, and I also doubt they were able to formulate this oil without any VII in it (GC has no VII)

 

[ktm525]

I am leaning towards running 8k km OCI intervals. Still undecided what the fill will be, either the XD3 or the GC.

 

[Bill]

Posted by ktm:

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After this fill of GC I plan on using my stash of XD3 0w30 (grp IV synthetic).

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ktm,

You already have the Esso in your posession?

If you do, use it, then try the GC.

 

[ktm525]

I've got a stash that I can use in my other vehicles. There is always a good selection of oils in my garage.

 

[Volvohead]

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Originally posted by ktm525:
I am leaning towards running 8k km OCI intervals. Still undecided what the fill will be, either the XD3 or the GC.

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If I had to pick only one, I'd lean towards the GC. Less VIIs. But I'd take RL over either in an R, provided the climate fits. You really can't go wrong with any of those three.

 

[Bill]

Posted by Volvohead:

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If I had to pick only one, I'd lean towards the GC. Less VIIs.

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Is there information showing GC having less VII then the Esso 0W-30?

 

[Patman]

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Originally posted by Bill:
Posted by Volvohead:

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If I had to pick only one, I'd lean towards the GC. Less VIIs.

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Is there information showing GC having less VII then the Esso 0W-30?

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We already know that GC has NO VII in it (from Terry's test), so chances are pretty good that it has less than Esso.

 

[BlazerLT]

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Originally posted by Patman:
I have no UOAs to support my choice of GC over Esso here, I just feel more comfortable recommending it since I've had such good luck with GC over the years. I know Esso is a great oil too, I just don't believe it's as good as GC. I highly doubt that Esso's base oil is as exotic as GC, and I also doubt they were able to formulate this oil without any VII in it (GC has no VII)

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It is a PAO synthetic with a TBN of 12.2+.

No offense Patman, I greatly respect you, but don't knock another oil without any evidence.

I respect GC and XD3 and seeing I am an XD3 user, I don't knock GC at all.

Again, will all due respect intended, until you know what it is, don't put it down as inferior. I deem them as equals and the only thing for the XD3 is that it is $3/liter cheaper.

 

[BlazerLT]

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Originally posted by Volvohead:

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Originally posted by ktm525:
I am leaning towards running 8k km OCI intervals. Still undecided what the fill will be, either the XD3 or the GC.

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If I had to pick only one, I'd lean towards the GC. Less VIIs. But I'd take RL over either in an R, provided the climate fits. You really can't go wrong with any of those three.

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You have no proof of the VII composition so let's not knock it until you know.

 

[Patman]

Until I see Esso 0w30 in a high performance engine like mine, that shows as low engine wear as I've seen with GC, I'm just simply not convinced that it's equal. Sure it's shown great results for people on here with regular engines, but how many have tried it in a high performance application? Just look at how low my engine wear has been with GC, in an engine with almost 375hp, that sees a lot of dyno runs, quarter mile runs, and lots of full throttle driving on the street. So I've been putting GC to the test and it's come out with flying colors.

 

[Volvohead]

There is no knocking of the Esso going on.

It's a fact that the GC sports a cutting-edge base technology with NO VIIs in it. Unless Esso is using better PAO base technology for this diesel-tailored HDEO than its EOM cousins, it almost assuredly is not VII free. The burden is on Esso and its users to show otherwise.

There is nothing wrong with a little VII. But in this particular engine, if there is any feature that is most desirable, it will be in favor of an oil that is the least prone to shearing.

The guy insisted on picking one oil between the two. They're both excellent. But between the two, the GC is the better choice here in my opinion.

 

[BlazerLT]

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Originally posted by Patman:
Until I see Esso 0w30 in a high performance engine like mine, that shows as low engine wear as I've seen with GC, I'm just simply not convinced that it's equal. Sure it's shown great results for people on here with regular engines, but how many have tried it in a high performance application? Just look at how low my engine wear has been with GC, in an engine with almost 375hp, that sees a lot of dyno runs, quarter mile runs, and lots of full throttle driving on the street. So I've been putting GC to the test and it's come out with flying colors.

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Yes, I understand that, but because you have wear numbers for one oil, that doesn't mean other oils will do worse.

You have no direct proof that either will do better.

Keep an open mind about these types of things, just because one does well doesn't mean the other will do worse.

 

[BlazerLT]

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Originally posted by Volvohead:
There is no knocking of the Esso going on.

It's a fact that the GC sports a cutting-edge base technology with NO VIIs in it. Unless Esso is using better PAO base technology for this diesel-tailored HDEO than its EOM cousins, it almost assuredly is not VII free. The burden is on Esso and its users to show otherwise.

There is nothing wrong with a little VII. But in this particular engine, if there is any feature that is most desirable, it will be in favor of an oil that is the least prone to shearing.

The guy insisted on picking one oil between the two. They're both excellent. But between the two, the GC is the better choice here in my opinion.

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It is all PAO.

I have no problem with GC, it is truly a great oil, but you don't see me or others saying GC will do worse when they only have experience with the XD3 like me.

It is all PAO, it has a great additive pack, a TBN of 12.2+, and the same relative viscosity as the GC all for $3/liter less.

That's $15 less per oil change.

 

[berge]

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Originally posted by Patman:
Until I see Esso 0w30 in a high performance engine like mine, that shows as low engine wear as I've seen with GC, I'm just simply not convinced that it's equal. Sure it's shown great results for people on here with regular engines, but how many have tried it in a high performance application? Just look at how low my engine wear has been with GC, in an engine with almost 375hp, that sees a lot of dyno runs, quarter mile runs, and lots of full throttle driving on the street. So I've been putting GC to the test and it's come out with flying colors.

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patman,
the way you take care of your car, any oil would have an easy life in your engine. IMO, the real test of an oil is typical soccer mom duty with instant start engine go full throttle or let the poor thing idle for half hour. THAT, is a real high performance test for an engine oil.
also, I don't really consider quarter mile runs, full throttle on the street or the dyno as any real credible test for an oil.
If you're going to mosport, shannonville or watkins glen, that's different, but I don't believe you've done any 'lapping days' on the track, have you?

I think they're both excellent oils BTW.

 

[LarryL]

I run RL 5w30, 5k oci, in my wife's 96 850 turbo wagon, that now has about 155k miles. The engine has a chip, down tube, exhaust system upgrade, including headers and an upgraded turbo, along with bigger injectors and suspension mods. She drives about 80 miles each way, 4 days a week, mostly on 15 in San Diego, some of the worst traffic in Southern California, other than 91, east of LA. From good UOA's in the past, I'd say RL has been worth the expense and the only other oil I'd consider is GC. One good reason for using a good oil is that the car, with 5k oci's is that given reasonable care and driving conditions, it will last a long time. They are very comfortable to drive in both traffic and long trips. My wife's car has the legs on a trip to really move, with no fuss on the hottest day in the worst traffic with the a/c on (black car). It's actually fun to surprise a young kid in a Mustang, as long as it's not from a dead stop. The kid I'm talking about is a nephew with a two year old V8 Mustang and at 60 mph on the freeway, I can run off and leave him. Not bad for a little ole ladies car.