I worked for NASA for 4 years (1976-1980), this is good news.
Woohoo! NASA gets funding at last!
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I thought I heard earlier in the year the NASA's priority mission was to reach out to Muslims.
Did I hear that?
Did I hear that?
Originally Posted By: willix
I thought I heard earlier in the year the NASA's priority mission was to reach out to Muslims.
Did I hear that?
You did. It's in the top 5 goals of the administrator. He said it in a speech.........google that bad boy.
I thought I heard earlier in the year the NASA's priority mission was to reach out to Muslims.
Did I hear that?
You did. It's in the top 5 goals of the administrator. He said it in a speech.........google that bad boy.
The best outcome for the taxpayer would be to end funding and close NASA. In 10-15 years when computer power is many times more than it is today form a new Space project.
NASA is a huge boondoggle.
Originally Posted By: mpvue
NASA is a huge boondoggle.
This.................. Like every other Government Agency.
NASA is a huge boondoggle.
This.................. Like every other Government Agency.
For all its inefficiency it inspires kids to get science degrees in school, with promise of jobs and relevance.
There's dumber stuff to spend the money on than science, with no return.
Have heard alternative energies (as important IMO) compared to both the space race, and the Manhattan project.
There's dumber stuff to spend the money on than science, with no return.
Have heard alternative energies (as important IMO) compared to both the space race, and the Manhattan project.
NASA does some pretty amazing things. Their mission list is extensive.
Their research and technology, inventions, etc. has brought us quite a bit without most of us knowing.
People that take the stance that NASA doesn't improve their lives and is a waste of money are ignorant.
Their research and technology, inventions, etc. has brought us quite a bit without most of us knowing.
People that take the stance that NASA doesn't improve their lives and is a waste of money are ignorant.
I would not say NASA is a boondoggle. Sure it's inefficient. But unlike most all government stuff - we actually get something in return. I'm all for private launches if we can do that.
But what? We should never launch satellites? Never bother with space again? Think about that for awhile.
But what? We should never launch satellites? Never bother with space again? Think about that for awhile.
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That costs billions of dollars that could be going to worthwhile things like welfare and illegal immigrant hospital bills.
And it looks like the private sector is doing pretty well:
http://www.helium.com/items/1968323-virgin-galactic-will-fly-in-18-months
That costs billions of dollars that could be going to worthwhile things like welfare and illegal immigrant hospital bills.
And it looks like the private sector is doing pretty well:
http://www.helium.com/items/1968323-virgin-galactic-will-fly-in-18-months
Originally Posted By: Pablo
But what? We should never launch satellites? Never bother with space again? Think about that for awhile.
Exactly. Especially when large superpowers like China and the US are actively perusing the technology to deploy weapons from satellites.
But what? We should never launch satellites? Never bother with space again? Think about that for awhile.
Exactly. Especially when large superpowers like China and the US are actively perusing the technology to deploy weapons from satellites.
Close it down and start over. It became long ago an outdated bloated agency. More concerned with perpetuation of fat pay checks, early retirement and overly generous pensions.
Originally Posted By: rshaw125
Close it down and start over. It became long ago an outdated bloated agency. More concerned with perpetuation of fat pay checks, early retirement and overly generous pensions.
Dude - you just described about every form of government on the planet!
I know that will work in my city, county, state, and US.....so once again NASA would indeed be leading the way!!
Close it down and start over. It became long ago an outdated bloated agency. More concerned with perpetuation of fat pay checks, early retirement and overly generous pensions.
Dude - you just described about every form of government on the planet!
I know that will work in my city, county, state, and US.....so once again NASA would indeed be leading the way!!
Originally Posted By: Tempest
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That costs billions of dollars that could be going to worthwhile things like welfare and illegal immigrant hospital bills.
And it looks like the private sector is doing pretty well:
http://www.helium.com/items/1968323-virgin-galactic-will-fly-in-18-months
Umm, I don't think you can compare the Mars Rover to an amusement park ride... They just get into "space" for a couple minutes anyways using pretty conventional technology.
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That costs billions of dollars that could be going to worthwhile things like welfare and illegal immigrant hospital bills.
And it looks like the private sector is doing pretty well:
http://www.helium.com/items/1968323-virgin-galactic-will-fly-in-18-months
Umm, I don't think you can compare the Mars Rover to an amusement park ride... They just get into "space" for a couple minutes anyways using pretty conventional technology.
Depends on what do we want NASA to do. Is it a defense arm of the US? or is it a civilian department of the US gov?
If it is defense, well, you have to spend what you need to keep the country safe, you can't complain about budget and all.
If it is civilian, shut it down and let Russia, China, and Japan launch our satellites on their dime. They are subsidized by their governments, so why don't we take advantage of the discount?
If it is defense, well, you have to spend what you need to keep the country safe, you can't complain about budget and all.
If it is civilian, shut it down and let Russia, China, and Japan launch our satellites on their dime. They are subsidized by their governments, so why don't we take advantage of the discount?
Clear thinking Richard Feynman [Nobel physicist] pointed out that we could have done everything with conventional rockets that the Space Shuttle financial fiasco did for 1/10 of the cost.
[He was the guy who figured out seals leaked when cold, and caused the Challenger disaster.]
JFK threw powerful Lyndon Johnson a bone to placate him by giving him Nasa in Houston in his home State of Texas.
Public relations have always been hugely important to NASA's existence.
Because from public perceptions come funding.
Developments and usable technologies? We would get them from other avenues of much more useful endeavors.
[He was the guy who figured out seals leaked when cold, and caused the Challenger disaster.]
JFK threw powerful Lyndon Johnson a bone to placate him by giving him Nasa in Houston in his home State of Texas.
Public relations have always been hugely important to NASA's existence.
Because from public perceptions come funding.
Developments and usable technologies? We would get them from other avenues of much more useful endeavors.
Originally Posted By: PandaBear
Depends on what do we want NASA to do. Is it a defense arm of the US? or is it a civilian department of the US gov?
If it is defense, well, you have to spend what you need to keep the country safe, you can't complain about budget and all.
If it is civilian, shut it down and let Russia, China, and Japan launch our satellites on their dime. They are subsidized by their governments, so why don't we take advantage of the discount?
It's pretty much both isn't it?
They have always run secret missions and launched military sats and such right along with doing more public and mundane missions. If we can agree that the military expenditure is valid and reasonable, then why not run the public side as well in an effort to offset some of the costs? You'll already have all the people and infrastructure to do so, it makes no sense to abandon either side to me.
Depends on what do we want NASA to do. Is it a defense arm of the US? or is it a civilian department of the US gov?
If it is defense, well, you have to spend what you need to keep the country safe, you can't complain about budget and all.
If it is civilian, shut it down and let Russia, China, and Japan launch our satellites on their dime. They are subsidized by their governments, so why don't we take advantage of the discount?
It's pretty much both isn't it?
They have always run secret missions and launched military sats and such right along with doing more public and mundane missions. If we can agree that the military expenditure is valid and reasonable, then why not run the public side as well in an effort to offset some of the costs? You'll already have all the people and infrastructure to do so, it makes no sense to abandon either side to me.
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Originally Posted By: mechtech2
[He was the guy who figured out seals leaked when cold, and caused the Challenger disaster.]
Developments and usable technologies? We would get them from other avenues of much more useful endeavors.
Is that what he claims? Didnt the maker of the gaskets themselves warn Nasa that the seals could fail at low temperatures? Doesnt seem like much of a mystery to "figure out"
Just to name one tech you would still most certainly be waiting for...GPS.
There is no company on Earth that had/has the resources to launch and run the global positioning system...The huge military benefit/need for the tech, made it happen.
[He was the guy who figured out seals leaked when cold, and caused the Challenger disaster.]
Developments and usable technologies? We would get them from other avenues of much more useful endeavors.
Is that what he claims? Didnt the maker of the gaskets themselves warn Nasa that the seals could fail at low temperatures? Doesnt seem like much of a mystery to "figure out"
Just to name one tech you would still most certainly be waiting for...GPS.
There is no company on Earth that had/has the resources to launch and run the global positioning system...The huge military benefit/need for the tech, made it happen.
NASA should be shut down and all people laid off.
Outsource it to military contractors (Boeing, Lockheed Martin, Raytheon,....etc) and ONLY hire the best of the best. There is just way too much fat and waste in NASA.
I was in Titusville FL (Space City, USA) a few months ago and half the area is a ghost town.
Outsource it to military contractors (Boeing, Lockheed Martin, Raytheon,....etc) and ONLY hire the best of the best. There is just way too much fat and waste in NASA.
I was in Titusville FL (Space City, USA) a few months ago and half the area is a ghost town.
At the investigation/hearing, it was Feynman who raised and brought the issue to light. The simple public test by dunking the seal in ice water drove it home.
Yes, the seals were an accident waiting to happen , and it finally did. Some of course smelled this already.
Of course we utilize what we can from the space program in general. It's track record is not good concerning costs - it is abysmal.
It is somewhat of a far reaching analogy, but we can't applaud Hitler because of the success of the Autobahn.
Yes, the seals were an accident waiting to happen , and it finally did. Some of course smelled this already.
Of course we utilize what we can from the space program in general. It's track record is not good concerning costs - it is abysmal.
It is somewhat of a far reaching analogy, but we can't applaud Hitler because of the success of the Autobahn.
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