Another vote for the Synpower, but be careful disputing the noob's conclusion. After all he did cut and paste the specs from Pennzoils website. That is rock solid evidence that makes his argument pretty hard to pick apart.
Without a doubt, the best oil for the money is....
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i say the best oil for the money is what is on sale when i go to buy some
Amsoil, by far. Anything else and you are just kidding yourself.
Originally Posted By: Cooper
Amsoil, by far. Anything else and you are just kidding yourself.
How can you prove that Amsoil is the best . What makes it the best?
Amsoil, by far. Anything else and you are just kidding yourself.
How can you prove that Amsoil is the best . What makes it the best?
Originally Posted By: Bill in Utah
On the photos of an engine without data...
Like HOW many miles?
Type of use?
What vehicle? (I see it is a Ranger)
What are you trying to show (I think other than a rear main seal replacement)
Here we go with complicated queations.
On the photos of an engine without data...
Like HOW many miles?
Type of use?
What vehicle? (I see it is a Ranger)
What are you trying to show (I think other than a rear main seal replacement)
Here we go with complicated queations.
I'm sure Vic appreciates the free advertising, but use this link instead.
http://www.amsoil.com/lit/g1971.pdf
http://www.amsoil.com/lit/g1971.pdf
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Originally Posted By: digitalSniperX1
The reliability of Hondas is not an opinion. My guessing on their spec of course is, but certainly reasonable.
When the reliability of any fleet of hondas becomes anywhere near the longevity and reliability of the MB OM616 and 617 engines in w123 cars, then we can talk. Im not worried about CR, and this isnt a [censored] match regarding Honda or anyone else.
The fact that Honda makes good engines running on oils that DONT require fancy specs is more a testament to their abilities than the fact that they have to come up with a new one for a specialty application. A new, fancy spec could mean a weakness - remember, engineering is dealing with tradeoffs, none of which are "good". And I dont count their 5w-20 spec as a "fancy" specification, but rather insurance given the unknown shear stability of a new oil grade, considering how most 5w30 oils sheared when the spec was introduced.
But again, this isnt a Honda vs. anyone else discussion. Its not a consumer reports discussion. Im asking a question - do the PP cans sold at wal mart meet the specs I desire, or not. Simple enough question. Then to go a step further, would they meet the specs in theory if tested for them? Id say no if they have to have a "euro" line that isnt readily available.
So, for my needs, keeping a fleet of ultra-reliable and highly efficient european cars, does PP fit the bill???? Well, per my original question. Does the PP sold at wal mart which is the variety under praise, meet my needs at $3.99/qt?
JMH
The reliability of Hondas is not an opinion. My guessing on their spec of course is, but certainly reasonable.
When the reliability of any fleet of hondas becomes anywhere near the longevity and reliability of the MB OM616 and 617 engines in w123 cars, then we can talk. Im not worried about CR, and this isnt a [censored] match regarding Honda or anyone else.
The fact that Honda makes good engines running on oils that DONT require fancy specs is more a testament to their abilities than the fact that they have to come up with a new one for a specialty application. A new, fancy spec could mean a weakness - remember, engineering is dealing with tradeoffs, none of which are "good". And I dont count their 5w-20 spec as a "fancy" specification, but rather insurance given the unknown shear stability of a new oil grade, considering how most 5w30 oils sheared when the spec was introduced.
But again, this isnt a Honda vs. anyone else discussion. Its not a consumer reports discussion. Im asking a question - do the PP cans sold at wal mart meet the specs I desire, or not. Simple enough question. Then to go a step further, would they meet the specs in theory if tested for them? Id say no if they have to have a "euro" line that isnt readily available.
So, for my needs, keeping a fleet of ultra-reliable and highly efficient european cars, does PP fit the bill???? Well, per my original question. Does the PP sold at wal mart which is the variety under praise, meet my needs at $3.99/qt?
JMH
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If we exclude BOGO sales and rebates I would say that Delo 5W40 and RTS 5W40 represent insanely good values when you look at their cost to performance ratio!
I love PP in my RDX. I'm selling the stock of M1 I have from a previous sale.
Any spec could reflect a weakness. Including A3/B3.
As far as reliability is concerned, no argument there. Chevy's make Merc's jealous when it comes to reliability, even if they have an odd one that's reliable. On the whole, mercs appear to be the least reliable make sold in the US.
I'll have to check the shelves at the auto parts store to answer your question though. My guess is I'll find it. I don't know what the price will be.
However, I'm not sure all these specs are compatible. Meeting one spec could certainly require sacrificing another.
For example, Amsoil's best, as per their advertising, doesn't list the A3/B3 spec. It's 3 bucks more per quart than the oil that does meet the spec. Go figure.
And then there is the marketing game they all play. Quite simply, they'll print meeting a spec on a bottle with a special label just because they know they can get more money from it if they do.
While not having a specific oil example, a good one is GM derating their SS Camaro LS1 engines to 325HP when most knew they were exactly the same engine that was in the base Corvette, which was rated at 345. In fact, 2000+ Z28's had the Z06 intakes and put out more HP than the 2000 Corvettes.
I'm sure similar games are played in other industries as well, including oil companies.
Like that gold cap on the bottle, lol.
As far as reliability is concerned, no argument there. Chevy's make Merc's jealous when it comes to reliability, even if they have an odd one that's reliable. On the whole, mercs appear to be the least reliable make sold in the US.
I'll have to check the shelves at the auto parts store to answer your question though. My guess is I'll find it. I don't know what the price will be.
However, I'm not sure all these specs are compatible. Meeting one spec could certainly require sacrificing another.
For example, Amsoil's best, as per their advertising, doesn't list the A3/B3 spec. It's 3 bucks more per quart than the oil that does meet the spec. Go figure.
And then there is the marketing game they all play. Quite simply, they'll print meeting a spec on a bottle with a special label just because they know they can get more money from it if they do.
While not having a specific oil example, a good one is GM derating their SS Camaro LS1 engines to 325HP when most knew they were exactly the same engine that was in the base Corvette, which was rated at 345. In fact, 2000+ Z28's had the Z06 intakes and put out more HP than the 2000 Corvettes.
I'm sure similar games are played in other industries as well, including oil companies.
Like that gold cap on the bottle, lol.
oh sorry, i forgot to mention. I rarely go to walmart. too much of an inconvenience.
Originally Posted By: Steve S
Originally Posted By: Cooper
Amsoil, by far. Anything else and you are just kidding yourself.
How can you prove that Amsoil is the best . What makes it the best?
Can you prove that Amsoil is not the best? Amsoil has independant laboratory testing done. What other oil producer does this? Do any of them discount that the results are correct? Nope. If they were to publish results that were false or not done completely legit, they would be sued and would lose. That is why all of the tests that Amsoil uses are legit, and they should be used to help you choose an oil. Amsoil is the best oil by far that you can purchase. It costs less than all of the name brand oils when doing extended drains. It also saves a ton of time so you can spend time doing other things than changing your oil.
Obviously you have never used Amsoil products regularly. Not to say that is bad. There are a lot of other good oils out there. Not a lot of other superior oils though. This thread is to ask opinions on what is the best oil. I base my "opinion" on factual tests as to what is the best. Amsoil is the best, by far. All others are good, just not the best regularly available.
I can buy Amsoil at my local Napa which is about 1/4 mile from my house. I choose to drive 5 miles to the wharehouse to get it using my preferred customer discount. It is nice to go to the wharehouse.
Originally Posted By: Cooper
Amsoil, by far. Anything else and you are just kidding yourself.
How can you prove that Amsoil is the best . What makes it the best?
Can you prove that Amsoil is not the best? Amsoil has independant laboratory testing done. What other oil producer does this? Do any of them discount that the results are correct? Nope. If they were to publish results that were false or not done completely legit, they would be sued and would lose. That is why all of the tests that Amsoil uses are legit, and they should be used to help you choose an oil. Amsoil is the best oil by far that you can purchase. It costs less than all of the name brand oils when doing extended drains. It also saves a ton of time so you can spend time doing other things than changing your oil.
Obviously you have never used Amsoil products regularly. Not to say that is bad. There are a lot of other good oils out there. Not a lot of other superior oils though. This thread is to ask opinions on what is the best oil. I base my "opinion" on factual tests as to what is the best. Amsoil is the best, by far. All others are good, just not the best regularly available.
I can buy Amsoil at my local Napa which is about 1/4 mile from my house. I choose to drive 5 miles to the wharehouse to get it using my preferred customer discount. It is nice to go to the wharehouse.
SM/GF4 dino @ 4-6K same as Syn on same OCI. Look at the UOAs. Show me a dino rated SM/GF4 with provable wear numbers higher than Syn. for a given OCI under 6K. I don't believe syn users are wearing out the oil at 7K (outside of a turbo/push rod/high performance scenario). Modern DOHC engines of the 0-90th percentile aren't wearing out dino let alone synthetic.
Therefore, I recommend Utah Bill's program. Cheap SM/GF4 dino, quart, 3-5K OCI.BETTER protection than long-drain syns (assuming no turbos/hi-pop V-8s). I'm no expert, engineer, or oil company executive. But, I see what I see in the UOAs. Bill,s are there, but plenty of others, too. After SM/GF4, dino, syn, no diff.
Therefore, I recommend Utah Bill's program. Cheap SM/GF4 dino, quart, 3-5K OCI.BETTER protection than long-drain syns (assuming no turbos/hi-pop V-8s). I'm no expert, engineer, or oil company executive. But, I see what I see in the UOAs. Bill,s are there, but plenty of others, too. After SM/GF4, dino, syn, no diff.
I'll throw in a caveat. High dollar, HIGH TBN synthetics MEANT to go long drain. But these off-shelf 5.99-7.00 synthetics vs dino-deals at less than 1.50?
Pull-Leaze.
Pull-Leaze.
i say the best oil for the money is what is on sale when i go to buy some
i still say this is the obvious answer
i still say this is the obvious answer
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Originally Posted By: toocrazy2yoo
I'll throw in a caveat. High dollar, HIGH TBN synthetics MEANT to go long drain. But these off-shelf 5.99-7.00 synthetics vs dino-deals at less than 1.50?
Pull-Leaze.
M1 TDT.......? I would wonder how that fits in there.......
I'll throw in a caveat. High dollar, HIGH TBN synthetics MEANT to go long drain. But these off-shelf 5.99-7.00 synthetics vs dino-deals at less than 1.50?
Pull-Leaze.
M1 TDT.......? I would wonder how that fits in there.......
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Originally Posted By: bigjeffie
i say the best oil for the money is what is on sale when i go to buy some
i still say this is the obvious answer
That's good advice there, always a good oil on sale somewhere.
i say the best oil for the money is what is on sale when i go to buy some
i still say this is the obvious answer
That's good advice there, always a good oil on sale somewhere.
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Originally Posted By: digitalSniperX1
As far as reliability is concerned, no argument there. Chevy's make Merc's jealous when it comes to reliability, even if they have an odd one that's reliable. On the whole, mercs appear to be the least reliable make sold in the US.
Well, obviously your argument is one sided. OK, believe your consumer reports and buy what you like. Perhaps you should re-rad my post regarding the car I was talking about.
I dont really know what youre looking for here... everyone to harmoniously agree that you are right and king of all knowledge oil-based?
Sorry, it is still your opinion, and the best oil still is the one that produces the optimal UOA results for a given usage profile.
Others seem to disagree as well. Im not even disagreeing, but asking if it meets the specs that ae important to me. I dont care about spouting off some worthless CR information... we've had that argument on here MANY times... you can go revisit it if you like. We are talking oil and specifications. Obviously Honda had an issue with their standard oil's longevity or engine life for them to have to put in a new spec. What does that mean for their engines??? Obviously their old specs werent robust enough.
For a typical engine to last using a non-robust spec is great. But to have to make a specialty specification, for a low-production car, means that not that many companies are going to pony up to sell that oil... sorry, there isnt a huge user base.
Anyway, again, enough childish citing of CR numbers. The question is if the oil meets it or not. If not, the oil is worthless to me, because it doesnt meet my needs, same as if it didnt meet the Honda turbo spec for you.
JMH
As far as reliability is concerned, no argument there. Chevy's make Merc's jealous when it comes to reliability, even if they have an odd one that's reliable. On the whole, mercs appear to be the least reliable make sold in the US.
Well, obviously your argument is one sided. OK, believe your consumer reports and buy what you like. Perhaps you should re-rad my post regarding the car I was talking about.
I dont really know what youre looking for here... everyone to harmoniously agree that you are right and king of all knowledge oil-based?
Sorry, it is still your opinion, and the best oil still is the one that produces the optimal UOA results for a given usage profile.
Others seem to disagree as well. Im not even disagreeing, but asking if it meets the specs that ae important to me. I dont care about spouting off some worthless CR information... we've had that argument on here MANY times... you can go revisit it if you like. We are talking oil and specifications. Obviously Honda had an issue with their standard oil's longevity or engine life for them to have to put in a new spec. What does that mean for their engines??? Obviously their old specs werent robust enough.
For a typical engine to last using a non-robust spec is great. But to have to make a specialty specification, for a low-production car, means that not that many companies are going to pony up to sell that oil... sorry, there isnt a huge user base.
Anyway, again, enough childish citing of CR numbers. The question is if the oil meets it or not. If not, the oil is worthless to me, because it doesnt meet my needs, same as if it didnt meet the Honda turbo spec for you.
JMH
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