Winter Oil Filter Reccomendations

[Mr. Ram]

Hello everyone:

Well the colder temps are settelling in and I am open to suggestions for a "winter" oil filter. I have been using baldwins for the last few oil changes (as I get them free and havent had any probs. I am searching for an filter that provides better flow , more so then filterability. As when temps here drop to -40 C and daytime highs are in the -20C I need a filter that will allow the fastest flow. Any suggestions and comments are welcome

btw: engine is 5.2L Magnum and oil will be Esso XD-3 Ow-30

 

[pee-wee]

I would try an K&N filter.

They flow well.

 

[Virtuoso]

Don't fix what ain't broke

 

[Ugly3]

Makes no difference. Any filter will go into bypass mode when cold and flow all the the oil possible to the engine. As soon as the oil warms the filter goes back into normal full filtration mode.

 

[427Z06]

You don't specify what you use now, but I'll take a stab at it.

Assuming you use something the size of:

Wix 51068
Style: Spin-On Lube
Type: Full Flow
Media: Paper
Height: 4.338
Outer Diameter Top: 3.660
Outer Diameter Bottom: Closed
Thread Size: 3/4-16
By-Pass Valve Setting-PSI: 8-11
Anti-Drain Back Valve: Yes
Gasket Diameters
Number O.D. I.D. Thk.
Attached 2.834 2.462 0.200

I'd see if a MotorCraft FL-1A fits (about .9" longer).

Wix Cross-Ref 51515
Style: Spin-On Lube
Type: Full Flow
Media: Paper
Height: 5.178
Outer Diameter: 3.660
Thread Size: 3/4-16
By-Pass Valve Setting-PSI: 8-11
Anti-Drain Back Valve: Yes
Gasket Diameters
Number O.D. I.D. Thk.
Attached 2.834 2.462 0.200

According to Greases's study they flow like banshees. In the states you can get them at Walmart for $2.77. Hope that helps.

 

[TallPaul]

I know the Fleetguard version of the Motorcraft FL299 (1.5 inches longer than FL-1A) has a flow of nearly 16 gallons per minute and is very low restriction. Assuming the other Fleetguards are similar in low restriction, check out your cross reference on their site and call their tech folks for the specs. I ran 4400 miles with the low restriction Fleetguard on my motorhome and had an excellent UOA. Fleetguard also is very well constructed IMO.

 

[Mr. Ram]

427Z06

I am currently using Baldwin B34 filters. Have not yet run this filter during winter months yet. The cross reference to the Motorcraft filter seems like it is not the correct one.

Keep the suggestions coming

 

[427Z06]

Mr. Ram, the MotorCraft FL-1A cross references to the Baldwin B2, which is the long version of the B34 according to the Baldwin site.

And if you want to generate "filter envy" among friends, there's the BT251 which is 7.125" long.

All the specs given match up such as thread size, bypass psi setting, ADBV and gasket size.

The only unknown is if the filter media is different among the sizes. May I suggest you contact them and verify flow rates.

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[427Z06]

Mr. Ram, here's another thread you may wish to read:

http://theoildrop.server101.com/ubb/ultimatebb.php?ubb=get_topic;f=6;t=001926

 

[LarryL]

Would looking at thinner oil and a block heater be a better solution? A filter change can only do so much. You're talking really cold. 0w-30 is 30 weight oil, after all.

 

[427Z06]

quote:

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Originally posted by LarryL:
Would looking at thinner oil and a block heater be a better solution? A filter change can only do so much. You're talking really cold. 0w-30 is 30 weight oil, after all.

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Do you understand what the "0w" signifies?

 

[Mr. Ram]

Thanks for the input everyone,

A block heater around here is standard fare

However my truck doesnt have one, but I picked one up this week and will be installing it, a battery blanket may follow although not that common but some do use them. Do you guys think that maybe a wix with a silicone ADBV as opposed to the Baldwins nitrile is a better call for the winter due to the extreme temps?

 

[rugerman1]

A pan heater is easy to install,cheap to use.If your going to the effort to install a block heater,do an oil pan heater too.

 

[427Z06]

Having spent my formative years in the north it's easy to understand the value of a battery blanket and block and oil pan heater, but most people still have to drive to work everyday and let their vehicle sit out exposed for 9-12 hours without anyplace to plug in. Therefore, I don't think it can hurt to optimize your oil and filter selection if possible.

 

[427Z06]

quote:

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Originally posted by Mr. Ram:
Do you guys think that maybe a wix with a silicone ADBV as opposed to the Baldwins nitrile is a better call for the winter due to the extreme temps?

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Nitrile rubber is generally serviceable between -40°C and 105°C; it can withstand 120°C intermittently, so I don't think it's really necessary, but others may differ on it's necessity.

 

[LarryL]

427Z06 sez "Do you understand what the "0w" signifies?"

The 0w is not the viscosity, it's a measure of resistance to pumping and flow at cold temperatures. With a 0w-30 your are still talking 30wt oil. We have built a lot of gen sets for cold weather and in some cases use a single weight oil rated as a 2w. It made a difference dropping down from the 0w-5 that we were using before. We, in effect dropped from a 5w to a 2w oil and cold weather performance was better for it. Cold is just cold and mechanical devices need a bit of help or they just wear out and fail sooner than later.

Maybe a drop to a 0w-20 or 0w-5 would make a difference.

We are working with an oil now, that can not be rated in the usual matter. If you did you might end up with something like a -10w 2. Looks funny.... We are working on an oil swirl vibration problem which is the last sumbling block in using thinner oils in these applications.

 

[427Z06]

quote:

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Originally posted by LarryL:
The 0w is not the viscosity

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Wrong! It most certainly is the viscosity. Measured in a particularly way at defined temperatures. (Reference: SAE J300 Viscosity Grades for Engines Oils.)

 

[TallPaul]

According to the API Engine Oil Classifications Chart, 0W is not a viscosity, but a "SAE Viscosity Grade" (a category) that corresponds to a maximum low temperature cranking viscosity of 6200 cP at -35C, and a max (with no yield stress) low temp pumping viscosity of 60,000 cP at -40C. It also requires a minimum low-shheer-rate kinematic viscosity of 3.8 cSt at 100C.

 

[427Z06]

TallPaul, I got a feeling this is going to degenerate into what the meaning of the word "is" is.

OK, yes the 0w is a "viscosity grade". How do they determine if a particular oil meets a particular viscosity grade? They measure the dynamic (or absolute) viscosity at particular temperatures using standardized ASTM methods as I referenced in my post above.

Which by the way for Esso XD-3 0w-30 the values published are:

CCS Viscosity, P @ -35°C 59 (max is 62)
MRV Viscosity, P @ -40°C 226 (max is 600)
MRV LPT, (°C at 60,000 cP) -46

 

[Tyson F Nuss]

Oke, just to clear the air, "0w30" denotes a 30-weight basestock that has viscosity modifiers to meet a "0w" spec in winter temperatures (the "w" stands for "winter", not "weight"). "Multiviscosity" and "multigrade" are somewhat misnomers that inaccurately imply some kind of blend between different-weight basestocks that would somehow maintain the discrete viscostity properties of each component base oil's weight, rather than averaging them to some middle ground viscosity. Thus, 0w30 "is" a 30-weight oil that's been tinkered with to perform down to a "0-winter" standard, but it's still 30-weight oil, not a combination of 0-weight and 30-weight oils.

BTW, LarryL, if you or others develop a sub-0w oil, I think "(-5)w20" or similar nomenclature (numenclature?

) might avoid confusion with numerically-similar positive-w grades, and uses existing, recognized parentheses-notation for negative numbers. Maybe "00w20", "000w20", etc. might also work, better reflecting the arbitrary grading scale (like the AWG scale or screwdriver sizes), but that scheme wouldn't leave much room for sensible extension (00000w0, etc.?!

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-Tye