Originally Posted By: Bill in Utah
Originally Posted By: tig1
Drew,
Can I still point out facts of many family and friends using nothing but M1 with engines that have many miles on them(200-300K+) with never any engine problems, like wear?
And same here. The difference is we use oil. Any type and brand. 200k+ easy and 394k on one and it was running like it did 20 years ago. No smoke, passed dyno smog and ran great... Type of oil was conventional and mostly Valvoline and Halvoline in 10w-30 till 1996 then 5w30.
Originally Posted By: tig1
No benefit for the average driver ,Except engines that will last a very long time. Can't take that away from M1.
Again, engines last a long time on
ANY oil. Can't take that away.
Originally Posted By: tig1
Through engines that are running well with very high miles with no internal engine problems.
And many run very high miles with no internal engine problems. You REALLY need to understand that more engines do that and they don't run Mobil 1. Even though both start with a "
M",
Mobil 1 is not
MAGIC....
Originally Posted By: tig1
Yes, high mileage engines, not a handful of useless UOAs.
Until I came here to BITOG I'd NEVER done a UOA. (and they are far from useless (unless you run Mobil 1 or Redline then they are) but that is another subject..
) and taken many an engine to 200k+ when I normally sell the vehicle to friends or family and get to watch the vehicle continue in life.
And all on oil. Mostly what is on sale and change it. The only thing I'm loyal to is keeping the vehicle maintained and keeping as much $$ in my pocket book because being brand loyal does nothing for you in the end.
Originally Posted By: Mustang Man
Originally Posted By: Audi Junkie
-Extended drains
Look at the UOA section. How many synth drains are really "extended"? Typically, everyone here is doing 6000-9000 miles drains, regardless of oil. Plenty of long (and successful) dino drains past 10k on the UOA forum. My Honda speced olms of 10k on dino.
After going through the first 8 pages of the UOA section and looking at titles, I found only this one on dino that was close to 10K...
https://bobistheoilguy.com/forums/threads/chevron-5w30-9417-miles-2008-impala-3-5.132245/
I agree that many using synthetic are not going the distance. I guess some worry too much about their oil.
Well you only then need to go through the other 300 pages.
There are many UOAs with conventional going a lot longer OCI than the normal syn UOA.
Everyone needs to remember that across the US MANY MANY more engines are going the distance with no problems using conventional oils over syns. And they don't get crazy like we do with filters and oils. They just get the oil changed at their Ford express lane or Jiffy Lube (and a lot longer OCI than 3000 miles) and get on with it.
There is a big difference between NEED and WANT.
I've got a jug of Mobil 1 in the stash and ran a load of 0w-30 last winter. My engine did not blow up but it did not get 100MPG and run better just because Mobil 1 was in the sump.
Same results with PP also..
Mobil 1 is such a lightning rod because it seems to make people defend it so much. Is that because they have a interest in it? (they work for XM, Family works for XM?)
Probably but we could never prove it. But the way they come out in ANY thread once Mobil 1 is typed is amazing.
Bill
Wow! When I'm quoted by this many times I must be doing something right! After my very fist post here at BITOG, Overk1ll warned me I would be bashed for saying something good about M1 oils. So M1 bashing was alive and well long ago. Also, Bill, as much as you want to think I have a personal, or financial interest in XM, I assure you I don't. Wish I did, but I don't. XM is a ture American success story, and in times like these this country needs more of them.
