Why is Mobil 1 0w40 so cheap and good?

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Originally Posted By: tig1
Originally Posted By: Pontual
How much POE or diester it has in it? None? Just group 3? T6 is cheaper.


All M1 oils base is made up of PAO and esthers and other stocks.


Like what? 5% PAO, 1% ester (with one/ diester, POE, tmp?) and 94 % of other stock (like group3)?
Is that it? So, fmia was shutuppd?
 
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Originally Posted By: Pontual
Originally Posted By: tig1
Originally Posted By: Pontual
How much POE or diester it has in it? None? Just group 3? T6 is cheaper.


All M1 oils base is made up of PAO and esthers and other stocks.


Like what? 5% PAO, 1% ester (with one/ diester, POE, tmp?) and 94 % of other stock (like group3)?
Is that it?



You haven't been paying any attention at all,have you.

According to the pds from Exxon they are up to 40% PAO for the m1 line and the EP line is up to 60% pao.

And to be honest who cares. What bonafide certs does it carry that is the only important info a person needs to consider.
 
Have. 40% PAO and 60% on EP. How did you get that? CAS #s? What about none ester and the other 60% - 40% of the base, group 3? I'm still asking ...
 
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Originally Posted By: Pontual
Have. 40% PAO and 60% on EP. How did you get that? CAS #s? What about none ester and the other 60% - 40% of the base, group 3? I'm still asking ...

Why are you so hung up on the base group composition? Just because it has x% of certain component does not mean a whole lot for the end product's actual performance.
 
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This is why it's so good:

Mobil 1 0W-40 synthetic motor oil meets or exceeds the requirements of:
API SN, SM, SL, SJ
ACEA A3/B3, A3/B4
Nissan GT-R
Mobil 1 0W-40 has the following builder approvals:
MB-Approval 229.3
MB-Approval 229.5
BMW LONGLIFE OIL 01
VW 502 00/505 00
PORSCHE A40
According to ExxonMobil, Mobil 1 0W40 is of the following quality:
API CF
VW 503 01
SAAB
OPEL Long Life Service Fill GM-LL-A-025
OPEL Diesel Service Fill GM-LL-B-025
FIAT 9.55535 - M2
FIAT 9.55535 - N2
FIAT 9.55535 - Z2

Maybe you should email Porsche, BMW, Nissan, Mercedes and the others as to why you disagree...
 
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The trolls are out in force.

As for the wine, Cassilero Del Diablo. It isn't the best, but at that price point, it has a lot to offer.

I could enjoy it by the cask.
 
Originally Posted By: Pontual
Originally Posted By: Pontual
How much POE or diester it has in it? None? Just group 3? T6 is cheaper.
Like what? 5% PAO, 1% ester (with one/ diester, POE, tmp?) and 94 % of other stock (like group3)?
Is that it? So, fmia was shutuppd?


Please explain why it matters.
 
Originally Posted By: wemay
Again....


This is why it's so good:
Mobil 1 0W-40 synthetic motor oil meets or exceeds the requirements of:
...


I have no doubt that it is good stuff, but for all of its certifications does not actually meet the OEM requirements for ANY of my vehicles:

All vehicles - Not a recommended viscosity (no surprise here)

2001 GMC - Not ILSEC, so no required 'Starburst'
2011 Chrysler - Not MS-6395 as required
2015 Hyundai - Not ILSEC, not ACEA A5 as recommended
 
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Originally Posted By: wemay
Again....


This is why it's so good:
Mobil 1 0W-40 synthetic motor oil meets or exceeds the requirements of:
...


I have no doubt that it is good stuff, but for all of its certifications does not actually meet the OEM requirements for ANY of my vehicles:

All vehicles - Not a recommended viscosity (no surprise here)

2001 GMC - Not ILSEC, so no required 'Starburst'
2011 Chrysler - Not MS-6395 as required
2015 Hyundai - Not ILSAC, not ACEA A5 as recommended


Because none of your vehicles requires a 0W-40 european spec oil. Your vehicles require ILSAC Resource Conserving oils

That Hyundai recommendation is split as well. Our OCI limits are less than what an ACEA A5 allows. The A5 is meant for Hyundai sold in Europe. We only need SM/GF-4.
 
I bought it on sale once for 18.00 about a year ago. I really like Mobile oil. If it comes in new Vettes? Talking about oil is like talking to truck drivers.They can't agree on anything.Its why conditions in the industry never change much.
 
Why base composition matter? I can't believe I read that?!
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I'm I on Bitog or what? If you don't know, please, don't step on, to stall on me.
 
Originally Posted By: Pontual
Why base composition matter? I can't believe I read that?!
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I'm I on Bitog or what? If you don't know, please, don't step on, to stall on me.

If you own A BMW or MB which oil should you use ? The one with majority group IV and V but has no approval from manufacture or the one you don't know if it has any IV and V but has approval from manufacture ?

More than 90-95% of BMW and/or MB owners are not on this site, are they wrong in using approved oil from manufacture ?
 
Ok, but did I say that I'd never going or never did use it?
I know it is approved, but I prefer to use more than 5% POE (I can brew my own with jet oils like Aeroshell 555). It did stop a leak on one of my cars in a 10% ratio and cleaned better than rx.
 
Originally Posted By: wemay
Again....


This is why it's so good:

Mobil 1 0W-40 synthetic motor oil meets or exceeds the requirements of:
API SN, SM, SL, SJ
ACEA A3/B3, A3/B4
Nissan GT-R
Mobil 1 0W-40 has the following builder approvals:
MB-Approval 229.3
MB-Approval 229.5
BMW LONGLIFE OIL 01
VW 502 00/505 00
PORSCHE A40
According to ExxonMobil, Mobil 1 0W40 is of the following quality:
API CF
VW 503 01
SAAB
OPEL Long Life Service Fill GM-LL-A-025
OPEL Diesel Service Fill GM-LL-B-025
FIAT 9.55535 - M2
FIAT 9.55535 - N2
FIAT 9.55535 - Z2

Maybe you should email Porsche, BMW, Nissan, Mercedes and the others as to why you disagree...


By way of comparison to Shell Helix Ultra 5w-40:
API SN/CF
ACEA A3/B3, A3/B4
MB-Approval 229.5
MB-Approval 226.5
BMW LONGLIFE OIL 01
VW 502 00/505 00
PORSCHE A40
RN0700/0710
PSA B712296
FIAT 9.55535 - Z2
Chrysler MS-10727

If Mobil 1 was cheaper I would use it too but at $90/jug and with Ultra Helix regularly on sale for about half the price here, there is not much choice unfortunately!
 
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As Exxon-Mobil holds the 50% of synthetic market share, they can obviously leverage the price via supplying vast amounts of their product to the market.
In terms of economics, the very low price could probably result from Mobil over-supplying the market, relative to the level of demand, which would greatly decrease the price customers (i.e. wholesalers/wharehouses which distribute to the likes of AutoZone, Walmart etc) would be willing to be pay for the product.

This is why some boutique oils, like Redline or Amsoil are often so costly; because there is a lower level of supply, which possibly isn't meeting the demand, which would therefore drive the prices upwards (as people are willing to pay more to get the limited quantity of "good stuff").

Of course, this is assuming that Mobil is simply flooding the market. It could very well be that they can afford to run such a low price (economies of scale), as they probably sell a lot of synthetic base-stocks to other blenders/manufacturers, and use their profit from that to offset the cost of Mobil 1 products.

In the end, if Mobil are flooding the market, it is an unsustainable position to maintain, as they are operating in dis-equilibrium and possibly loosing money as a result. This will eventually force the price to increase again overtime.

So in the case of Mobil, it'll be a case of "watch this space" over the next few years, and see what they choose to do.
 
Originally Posted By: Pontual
Ok, but did I say that I'd never going or never did use it?
I know it is approved, but I prefer to use more than 5% POE (I can brew my own with jet oils like Aeroshell 555). It did stop a leak on one of my cars in a 10% ratio and cleaned better than rx.


Are you just deliberately saying stuff to try and get attention or are you just completely out of touch? I think it is the first, maybe people aren't listening to you anymore and you're hurt by that, I don't know.

You used to have constructive statements on here, what happened?
 
Originally Posted By: Peter_M
Originally Posted By: wemay
Again....


This is why it's so good:

Mobil 1 0W-40 synthetic motor oil meets or exceeds the requirements of:
API SN, SM, SL, SJ
ACEA A3/B3, A3/B4
Nissan GT-R
Mobil 1 0W-40 has the following builder approvals:
MB-Approval 229.3
MB-Approval 229.5
BMW LONGLIFE OIL 01
VW 502 00/505 00
PORSCHE A40
According to ExxonMobil, Mobil 1 0W40 is of the following quality:
API CF
VW 503 01
SAAB
OPEL Long Life Service Fill GM-LL-A-025
OPEL Diesel Service Fill GM-LL-B-025
FIAT 9.55535 - M2
FIAT 9.55535 - N2
FIAT 9.55535 - Z2

Maybe you should email Porsche, BMW, Nissan, Mercedes and the others as to why you disagree...


By way of comparison to Shell Helix Ultra 5w-40:
API SN/CF
ACEA A3/B3, A3/B4
MB-Approval 229.5
MB-Approval 226.5
BMW LONGLIFE OIL 01
VW 502 00/505 00
PORSCHE A40
RN0700/0710
PSA B712296
FIAT 9.55535 - Z2
Chrysler MS-10727

If Mobil 1 was cheaper I would use it too but at $90/jug and with Ultra Helix regularly on sale for about half the price here, there is not much choice unfortunately!

At €7 full retail price Ultra is the cheapest full spec oil here. It can be found for 5 online. M1 cost about €10.
 
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