Want parts that are almost identical or nearly identical to the car maker parts, look for OES parts. Original Equipment Supplier items. They are the vendor that made the OEM part for the car makers. Most of the time those items are 99.5% identical to OEM but they cost a LOT less. Quality is the same as OE.
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Originally Posted By: antiqueshell
Want parts that are almost identical or nearly identical to the car maker parts, look for OES parts. Original Equipment Supplier items. They are the vendor that made the OEM part for the car makers. Most of the time those items are 99.5% identical to OEM but they cost a LOT less. Quality is the same as OE.
+1 Auto mfg-ers have multiple suppliers to prevent shortages. Figure out who they are, buy elsewhere. OE Akebono ceramic brake pads for example. Rockauto, cheap.
Want parts that are almost identical or nearly identical to the car maker parts, look for OES parts. Original Equipment Supplier items. They are the vendor that made the OEM part for the car makers. Most of the time those items are 99.5% identical to OEM but they cost a LOT less. Quality is the same as OE.
+1 Auto mfg-ers have multiple suppliers to prevent shortages. Figure out who they are, buy elsewhere. OE Akebono ceramic brake pads for example. Rockauto, cheap.
When I'm feeling lazy and want something that at least "good enough" I'll get a dealer part. When I want "the best" then I have to take the time to do some research. Most of the time, I'll comparison shop just a little bit, maybe call three of four vendors allowing the price difference and my feelings about the brand for that type of part guide my decision.
It's not entirely unusual for "cheap" and "today" to be critial requirements. Toyota parts from the local dealership are pretty good about "today" and somehow often manage to beat even the worst "maybe it'll work" brand in the price department. The same part number ordered through the local Lexus dealership can have three times the pricetag.
In the end, though, it usually comes down to "cheap parts ain't cheap!" Pricing often reflects quality but thare are a lot of exceptions. Low quality leads to repeat repairs and higher cost so it's almost always best to go for quality.
It's not entirely unusual for "cheap" and "today" to be critial requirements. Toyota parts from the local dealership are pretty good about "today" and somehow often manage to beat even the worst "maybe it'll work" brand in the price department. The same part number ordered through the local Lexus dealership can have three times the pricetag.
In the end, though, it usually comes down to "cheap parts ain't cheap!" Pricing often reflects quality but thare are a lot of exceptions. Low quality leads to repeat repairs and higher cost so it's almost always best to go for quality.
So say I'm looking to buy Motorcraft brake pads at Rockauto. Are they the same that the dealer sells but cost about 40% less than List Price? I don't know who makes Fords brakes, but who makes as good or better quality in what you have seen? I recently saw an advertisement chart comparing aftermarket pads for things such as wear, dusting etc. The aftermarket company of course was better in all areas. I didn't see a chart on braking distances. I wonder how they would fair and is aftermarket has to meet the same standards in their product.
Hey no offense. I just never heard the word used that way before.
Originally Posted By: Trav
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Every time i get a client who needs some work done to their car, they always request i buy the cheapest part possible.
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I'd have clients who get spark plugs changed
I agree in principal in every point you make but i wonder what business i worked in all these years.
I know lawyers with "clients", call girls and madams with "clients" but an garage? I only have customers.
Then again i guess some would call the dealer the madam and the garage the call girl.
I work in a garage. I have clients.
99.9% of my are in some stage of the judicial system: pre-trial, probation, parole.... the remaining .1% are voluntary and likely have been convicted in the past.
I have no problem with a repair technician or service writer's use of the word "client".
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Every time i get a client who needs some work done to their car, they always request i buy the cheapest part possible.
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I'd have clients who get spark plugs changed
I agree in principal in every point you make but i wonder what business i worked in all these years.
I know lawyers with "clients", call girls and madams with "clients" but an garage? I only have customers.
Then again i guess some would call the dealer the madam and the garage the call girl.
I work in a garage. I have clients.
99.9% of my are in some stage of the judicial system: pre-trial, probation, parole.... the remaining .1% are voluntary and likely have been convicted in the past.
I have no problem with a repair technician or service writer's use of the word "client".
Originally Posted By: Artem
Originally Posted By: LT4 Vette
Maybe the car owner is tight on money and trying to make the repair as little as possible.
I agree but the reality is, there's a "proper" cost to each fix. Meaning what it takes/costs to repair/replace the part in need of service to bring the car back to 100% OEM spec in performance/reliability.
If that's your goal. If you know the car's rusting out or the transmission is slipping and frightfully expensive, go cheap! If you need something like a rear window wiper motor to pass state inspection, and never otherwise use it, go cheap!
Continued adherence to OE spec is a worthy goal, especially with tune-up stuff. But if it doesn't affect safety, and the car's on death's door from something "unfixable", I'm happy there's a value line. I just stuck an ebay window regulator in my MILs Lesabre. She smokes so she's always cracking the window an inch. I know she won't drive it another 11 years-- 11 months isn't even likely. The first repair is the "betrayal" that has her new-car shopping; it doesn't really matter what quality part is in there now.
PS the ebay part at $47 beat the local parts stores who all wanted $120. "Seems well made", LOL.
Originally Posted By: LT4 Vette
Maybe the car owner is tight on money and trying to make the repair as little as possible.
I agree but the reality is, there's a "proper" cost to each fix. Meaning what it takes/costs to repair/replace the part in need of service to bring the car back to 100% OEM spec in performance/reliability.
If that's your goal. If you know the car's rusting out or the transmission is slipping and frightfully expensive, go cheap! If you need something like a rear window wiper motor to pass state inspection, and never otherwise use it, go cheap!
Continued adherence to OE spec is a worthy goal, especially with tune-up stuff. But if it doesn't affect safety, and the car's on death's door from something "unfixable", I'm happy there's a value line. I just stuck an ebay window regulator in my MILs Lesabre. She smokes so she's always cracking the window an inch. I know she won't drive it another 11 years-- 11 months isn't even likely. The first repair is the "betrayal" that has her new-car shopping; it doesn't really matter what quality part is in there now.
PS the ebay part at $47 beat the local parts stores who all wanted $120. "Seems well made", LOL.
I think you guys are a little confused... or am I? You guys got into this after market parts kick in this thread, but they never even mention that in the videos. Did you even watch the videos? They specifically mention packaging that looks like Toyota packaging, has the Toyota name on it, and is colored the same. They never mention "after market" parts, only "counterfeit" Toyota parts. These videos are pretty focused. It looks to me like they are not trying to stop you from getting a belt from Denso, they are trying to stop you from buying a knock-off on eBay just because it says "Toyota" on the package. Their message is seems to be: don't trust random parts from the interwebs/back of a truck/online auctions/Made-In-China-We-Think? Parts Company, Inc.
If you want to know if the part from Rock is the same, compare the part number. Sometimes the same brand is available in multiple part numbers for the same application. A phone call to Rock might help, they have a very good reputation for honesty and customer service, but I can't personally vouch for them as I've never actually used them personally.
That said, brake bads are a tough bird to bag. There are construction types and material compositions and quality controls that are clearly better than others, for for every difference where one is clearly better than the other there are three differences where it's a trade off. A trusted brand, trusted supplier, or an enthusiast with the same vehicle as you can help a lot.
That said, brake bads are a tough bird to bag. There are construction types and material compositions and quality controls that are clearly better than others, for for every difference where one is clearly better than the other there are three differences where it's a trade off. A trusted brand, trusted supplier, or an enthusiast with the same vehicle as you can help a lot.
To me the point is to avoid "counterfeit" -not necessarily after market.
I didn't even know there were counterfeit spark plugs.
For the most part I have found dealership prices (for basics: Air/oil/spark) to be relatively close to AAP or Autozone etc.
At times I've had a few issues w the fit of some after market (and Autozone employees that know nothing)
Therefor, I buy at the dealership.
I didn't even know there were counterfeit spark plugs.
For the most part I have found dealership prices (for basics: Air/oil/spark) to be relatively close to AAP or Autozone etc.
At times I've had a few issues w the fit of some after market (and Autozone employees that know nothing)
Therefor, I buy at the dealership.
Toyota and counterfeiters parts are probably made by the same manufacturers-ever see an oil filter without a bypass valve?
Car manufacturers are using a lot of parts made in China..tires,rotors,etc.
They must all be using counterfeit parts.
Car manufacturers are using a lot of parts made in China..tires,rotors,etc.
They must all be using counterfeit parts.
Originally Posted By: spock1
Toyota and counterfeiters parts are probably made by the same manufacturers
And you say this because?
Why would a company, having landed a nice contract with Toyota, put it all on the line to make [censored] knock offs. Well money, i guess, but.. if you are going to make a statement like that, at least back it up.
Toyota and counterfeiters parts are probably made by the same manufacturers
And you say this because?
Why would a company, having landed a nice contract with Toyota, put it all on the line to make [censored] knock offs. Well money, i guess, but.. if you are going to make a statement like that, at least back it up.
I get great results in Toyota cars by using non OE parts from companies such as:
Moog
Raybestos
Monroe
Gates
And some other fine companies.
It is typically when I am stuck with the cheap mystery part that causes bad results.
Moog
Raybestos
Monroe
Gates
And some other fine companies.
It is typically when I am stuck with the cheap mystery part that causes bad results.
I purchased a Beck Arnley MAF sensor from RockAuto for 1/3rd the price of the "Genuine Hyundai Part"
I got the "counterfeit part" speech from the Service Advisor.
Opened the Beck Arnley box and inside was another box with the Hyundai SKU on it. Inside that box was a MAF with a "Genuine Hyundai" holographic sticker on it.
Man, these counterfeiters go all out to imitate!
I got the "counterfeit part" speech from the Service Advisor.
Opened the Beck Arnley box and inside was another box with the Hyundai SKU on it. Inside that box was a MAF with a "Genuine Hyundai" holographic sticker on it.
Originally Posted By: eljefino
Originally Posted By: Artem
Originally Posted By: LT4 Vette
Maybe the car owner is tight on money and trying to make the repair as little as possible.
I agree but the reality is, there's a "proper" cost to each fix. Meaning what it takes/costs to repair/replace the part in need of service to bring the car back to 100% OEM spec in performance/reliability.
If that's your goal. If you know the car's rusting out or the transmission is slipping and frightfully expensive, go cheap! If you need something like a rear window wiper motor to pass state inspection, and never otherwise use it, go cheap!
Continued adherence to OE spec is a worthy goal, especially with tune-up stuff. But if it doesn't affect safety, and the car's on death's door from something "unfixable", I'm happy there's a value line. I just stuck an ebay window regulator in my MILs Lesabre. She smokes so she's always cracking the window an inch. I know she won't drive it another 11 years-- 11 months isn't even likely. The first repair is the "betrayal" that has her new-car shopping; it doesn't really matter what quality part is in there now.
PS the ebay part at $47 beat the local parts stores who all wanted $120. "Seems well made", LOL.
I'm going to take a wild guess and say that the car is a pile of scrap metal because of the use of cheap parts from the get go.
Originally Posted By: Artem
Originally Posted By: LT4 Vette
Maybe the car owner is tight on money and trying to make the repair as little as possible.
I agree but the reality is, there's a "proper" cost to each fix. Meaning what it takes/costs to repair/replace the part in need of service to bring the car back to 100% OEM spec in performance/reliability.
If that's your goal. If you know the car's rusting out or the transmission is slipping and frightfully expensive, go cheap! If you need something like a rear window wiper motor to pass state inspection, and never otherwise use it, go cheap!
Continued adherence to OE spec is a worthy goal, especially with tune-up stuff. But if it doesn't affect safety, and the car's on death's door from something "unfixable", I'm happy there's a value line. I just stuck an ebay window regulator in my MILs Lesabre. She smokes so she's always cracking the window an inch. I know she won't drive it another 11 years-- 11 months isn't even likely. The first repair is the "betrayal" that has her new-car shopping; it doesn't really matter what quality part is in there now.
PS the ebay part at $47 beat the local parts stores who all wanted $120. "Seems well made", LOL.
I'm going to take a wild guess and say that the car is a pile of scrap metal because of the use of cheap parts from the get go.
Originally Posted By: tinmanSC
I think you guys are a little confused... or am I? You guys got into this after market parts kick in this thread, but they never even mention that in the videos. Did you even watch the videos? They specifically mention packaging that looks like Toyota packaging, has the Toyota name on it, and is colored the same. They never mention "after market" parts, only "counterfeit" Toyota parts. These videos are pretty focused. It looks to me like they are not trying to stop you from getting a belt from Denso, they are trying to stop you from buying a knock-off on eBay just because it says "Toyota" on the package. Their message is seems to be: don't trust random parts from the interwebs/back of a truck/online auctions/Made-In-China-We-Think? Parts Company, Inc.
Although the videos are focused on counterfeit parts, the main point about inferior parts applies to many aftermarket parts today.
Take the air filter for example. Go compare a filter from Honda to an STP. I did. I was shocked by how thin and how much less filter media there was in the cheaper STP filter. The STP looked like hard paper while the Honda filter was soft, cotton like with visible layers.
I think you guys are a little confused... or am I? You guys got into this after market parts kick in this thread, but they never even mention that in the videos. Did you even watch the videos? They specifically mention packaging that looks like Toyota packaging, has the Toyota name on it, and is colored the same. They never mention "after market" parts, only "counterfeit" Toyota parts. These videos are pretty focused. It looks to me like they are not trying to stop you from getting a belt from Denso, they are trying to stop you from buying a knock-off on eBay just because it says "Toyota" on the package. Their message is seems to be: don't trust random parts from the interwebs/back of a truck/online auctions/Made-In-China-We-Think? Parts Company, Inc.
Although the videos are focused on counterfeit parts, the main point about inferior parts applies to many aftermarket parts today.
Take the air filter for example. Go compare a filter from Honda to an STP. I did. I was shocked by how thin and how much less filter media there was in the cheaper STP filter. The STP looked like hard paper while the Honda filter was soft, cotton like with visible layers.
Originally Posted By: spock1
Toyota and counterfeiters parts are probably made by the same manufacturers-ever see an oil filter without a bypass valve?
Car manufacturers are using a lot of parts made in China..tires,rotors,etc.
They must all be using counterfeit parts.
Counterfeit parts have been a reality for decades now. The counterfeiters don't just make counterfeit OE parts but also make counterfeits of aftermarket parts with respected names. I've bought them, and returned them too. Be careful who you buy from.
Toyota and counterfeiters parts are probably made by the same manufacturers-ever see an oil filter without a bypass valve?
Car manufacturers are using a lot of parts made in China..tires,rotors,etc.
They must all be using counterfeit parts.
Counterfeit parts have been a reality for decades now. The counterfeiters don't just make counterfeit OE parts but also make counterfeits of aftermarket parts with respected names. I've bought them, and returned them too. Be careful who you buy from.
Their are aftermarket brands which can be better/worse/similar to original and then there are parts distributors with often times the same part as the dealer supplied parts. Beck/Arnley is known for this for a lot of foreign makes; primarily Asian vehicles in that case.
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