Why don't we hear more Info on Redline Oils?
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Originally Posted By: ZZman
I have read conflicting info that says it gives good protection but it's start up wear protection may not be good. Could that be causing the possible wear metal issues?
No, Redline has a ester base stock. The oil is polar, so it leaves a film of oil on everything. If anything, Redline should give the best wear protection on start up.
I have read conflicting info that says it gives good protection but it's start up wear protection may not be good. Could that be causing the possible wear metal issues?
No, Redline has a ester base stock. The oil is polar, so it leaves a film of oil on everything. If anything, Redline should give the best wear protection on start up.
It's very much a niche oil. Expensive ingredients, priced accordingly, and a formula outside the mainstream standards. And it is definitely not a one size fits all or a perfect formula.
When the application calls for its strengths, such as its temperature stability, it pretty much has no equal. A bargain compared to Motul 300V. Great for crazy hot turbos, aircooled and track vehicles.
But its chemical shortcomings, such as its reaction to moisture, make it less than an optimal choice for many other applications. It's the last oil I'd use for shorter trip usage or in a marine plant.
I use it in very few applications. Where I do, I swear by it.
But it's not a universal "king" for the majority of motorists out there, especially at the price point. Most motorists don't need what RL offers.
When the application calls for its strengths, such as its temperature stability, it pretty much has no equal. A bargain compared to Motul 300V. Great for crazy hot turbos, aircooled and track vehicles.
But its chemical shortcomings, such as its reaction to moisture, make it less than an optimal choice for many other applications. It's the last oil I'd use for shorter trip usage or in a marine plant.
I use it in very few applications. Where I do, I swear by it.
But it's not a universal "king" for the majority of motorists out there, especially at the price point. Most motorists don't need what RL offers.
Hmmmm. My motorhome generator has Redline in it. I last changed it August 2007. Gen does not get run very often. Think I better change it. In fact, the situation may be prone to condensation so maybe Redline is not the best choice. No matter, I have some PAO Amsoil(hey, there's another GREAT oil) on the shelf and that is what will be going into the Generator next.
Baxters autoparts here in the NW sells Redline for 7.99 a quart. I stock up before the summer roadcourse season starts. I also know a few sponsered teams that will sell me their year old stock for 1/2 price if they end up with extra, but that doesnt happen very often.
I use 10w40 in my turbocharged 4 cylinder on the track, and I also use 10w40 in my B&S push mower
I use 10w40 in my turbocharged 4 cylinder on the track, and I also use 10w40 in my B&S push mower
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Not to turn the whole "retail" aspect of Redline on it's head, but the biggest "chain" of automotive and 'round the house stuff up in Canada is Canadian Tire.
Canadian Tire, and it's "parts chain" stores, "Partsource", which is a relatively recent development, and very much like a NAPA store both sell Redline products, including several grades of their engine oil.
So at least north of the border, Redline products are readily available just about anywhere, and in a retail environment where most of the populous is exposed to them......
Canadian Tire, and it's "parts chain" stores, "Partsource", which is a relatively recent development, and very much like a NAPA store both sell Redline products, including several grades of their engine oil.
So at least north of the border, Redline products are readily available just about anywhere, and in a retail environment where most of the populous is exposed to them......
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Originally Posted By: 1sttruck
Redline is a superior oil as the high metals in UOAs demonstrate cleaning. Mobil 1 is a poor oil as the high metals in UOAs demonstrate higher wear.
So you are implying that the MASSIVE amount of money spent by GM, Audi, VW, Mercedes....etc to perform extensive testing (and approval) of Exxon-Mobil's Mobil 1 grades are all for nought; a veritable farce if you will, because they should have just used Redline?
Remember Mobil's old "tri-syn" formula? You DO know that this denoted the three types of synthetic base stocks used to formulate the oil right? PAO and two different Esters...?
Redline is FAR from being the only oil company to use esters in their products; it is the fact that use esters as the PRIMARY base stock that sets them apart.
Redline is a superior oil as the high metals in UOAs demonstrate cleaning. Mobil 1 is a poor oil as the high metals in UOAs demonstrate higher wear.
So you are implying that the MASSIVE amount of money spent by GM, Audi, VW, Mercedes....etc to perform extensive testing (and approval) of Exxon-Mobil's Mobil 1 grades are all for nought; a veritable farce if you will, because they should have just used Redline?
Remember Mobil's old "tri-syn" formula? You DO know that this denoted the three types of synthetic base stocks used to formulate the oil right? PAO and two different Esters...?
Redline is FAR from being the only oil company to use esters in their products; it is the fact that use esters as the PRIMARY base stock that sets them apart.
Originally Posted By: OVERK1LL
Remember Mobil's old "tri-syn" formula? You DO know that this denoted the three types of synthetic base stocks used to formulate the oil right? PAO and two different Esters...?
I've still got an unopened quart of this old M1 formula sitting in the back of the oil cabinet. Don't know why, but there it sits.
Maybe I should put it on Ebay. "Works like Redline".
Remember Mobil's old "tri-syn" formula? You DO know that this denoted the three types of synthetic base stocks used to formulate the oil right? PAO and two different Esters...?
I've still got an unopened quart of this old M1 formula sitting in the back of the oil cabinet. Don't know why, but there it sits.
Maybe I should put it on Ebay. "Works like Redline".
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That's funny
I believe they still use esters in the oil, but that Supersyn is a reformulation; hence the name change.
Correct, and remember, there are esters and there are esters - it's a huge family. POEs are much more thermally and oxidatively stable than diesters, and have better hydrolytic stability as well. In fact, some POEs have down right excellent hydrolytic stability, comparable to hydrocarbons, depending on where you branch the acids.
The only generalization one can make about "esters" is that they are stable and polar - all the other properties are variable according to the molecular structure of the particular ester you are using.
Unless one knows the exact ester and its percentage in a given formulation, generalizing as to the ester's contribution can be misleading.
Tom NJ
The only generalization one can make about "esters" is that they are stable and polar - all the other properties are variable according to the molecular structure of the particular ester you are using.
Unless one knows the exact ester and its percentage in a given formulation, generalizing as to the ester's contribution can be misleading.
Tom NJ
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Originally Posted By: BrianWC
I just can't buy the high wear UOAs being the result of cleaning. I think if that were the case every arx UOA we'd see would be through the roof b/c we usually see a lot more cleaning with arx than we do from Redline. That being said, do the wear levels really justify the concern? Redline certainly has the specs to be a fantastic oil. I think the main reason you don't see more about it on here is a.)no overhyped formula changes ie. now with super adaptive, cleansing, sludging-fighting, nano-hypermolecules b.) it's never on sale BOGO or FAR from Autozone/AAP/Kragen/Checkers/Wal-Mart. c.) there's no one on here (publicly at least) affiliated with the company to quiz about the oil.
There's some chelating action with Auto-Rx that's not there with RL ..or at least apparently so..and the components are a bit different..overall. I just think that RL KICKS off some stuff in its aggressive (Ogressif-crock hunter RIP) boundary layer formations. It tends to settle down after a fashion. I wouldn't buy it or use it for that reason. It would be cheaper to use a bottle of Auto-Rx and then use something more economical. I agree with Volvohead. The stuff really has no sensible "economy" to it. It's a performance based purchase ..and a rather narrow one at that.
I just can't buy the high wear UOAs being the result of cleaning. I think if that were the case every arx UOA we'd see would be through the roof b/c we usually see a lot more cleaning with arx than we do from Redline. That being said, do the wear levels really justify the concern? Redline certainly has the specs to be a fantastic oil. I think the main reason you don't see more about it on here is a.)no overhyped formula changes ie. now with super adaptive, cleansing, sludging-fighting, nano-hypermolecules b.) it's never on sale BOGO or FAR from Autozone/AAP/Kragen/Checkers/Wal-Mart. c.) there's no one on here (publicly at least) affiliated with the company to quiz about the oil.
There's some chelating action with Auto-Rx that's not there with RL ..or at least apparently so..and the components are a bit different..overall. I just think that RL KICKS off some stuff in its aggressive (Ogressif-crock hunter RIP) boundary layer formations. It tends to settle down after a fashion. I wouldn't buy it or use it for that reason. It would be cheaper to use a bottle of Auto-Rx and then use something more economical. I agree with Volvohead. The stuff really has no sensible "economy" to it. It's a performance based purchase ..and a rather narrow one at that.
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Originally Posted By: BrianWC
I just can't buy the high wear UOAs being the result of cleaning. I think if that were the case every arx UOA we'd see would be through the roof b/c we usually see a lot more cleaning with arx than we do from Redline. That being said, do the wear levels really justify the concern? Redline certainly has the specs to be a fantastic oil. I think the main reason you don't see more about it on here is a.)no overhyped formula changes ie. now with super adaptive, cleansing, sludging-fighting, nano-hypermolecules b.) it's never on sale BOGO or FAR from Autozone/AAP/Kragen/Checkers/Wal-Mart. c.) there's no one on here (publicly at least) affiliated with the company to quiz about the oil.
There's some chelating action with Auto-Rx that's not there with RL ..or at least apparently so..and the components are a bit different..overall. I just think that RL KICKS off some stuff in its aggressive (Ogressif-crock hunter RIP) boundary layer formations. It tends to settle down after a fashion. I wouldn't buy it or use it for that reason. It would be cheaper to use a bottle of Auto-Rx and then use something more economical. I agree with Volvohead. The stuff really has no sensible "economy" to it. It's a performance based purchase ..and a rather narrow one at that.
Oh absolutely. See, back when I was running or had just finished my first arx treat in early 06, I was convinced that it was nothing special and that, based on the chatter on here, I could get the same effect from any high quality ester oil. So, at Tony's urging (which I don't know if he was sincerely curious or just leading me toward a known conclusion) I ran an OCI of Redline to compare the effect to arx. He said he'd already done the same experiment in Helen's Mazda and saw no cleaning. My result was the same. Nothing photographic and the filter wasn't nearly as loaded with deposits as my arx filters had been. I thought maybe I had cleaned everything out but a drop of the pan proved otherwise.
My one arx UOA only showed a 14 Fe and 19 Pb and most of you remember my filter pics.
But don't get me wrong, I have to believe that Redline's results have got to be something cleaning related. I can't fathom otherwise. Same with M1. If I had easy access to Redline locally, it'd be all I would run. But I just can't wrap my head around the logic of it. Too bad I didn't do a UOA on my own Redline run.
Originally Posted By: BrianWC
I just can't buy the high wear UOAs being the result of cleaning. I think if that were the case every arx UOA we'd see would be through the roof b/c we usually see a lot more cleaning with arx than we do from Redline. That being said, do the wear levels really justify the concern? Redline certainly has the specs to be a fantastic oil. I think the main reason you don't see more about it on here is a.)no overhyped formula changes ie. now with super adaptive, cleansing, sludging-fighting, nano-hypermolecules b.) it's never on sale BOGO or FAR from Autozone/AAP/Kragen/Checkers/Wal-Mart. c.) there's no one on here (publicly at least) affiliated with the company to quiz about the oil.
There's some chelating action with Auto-Rx that's not there with RL ..or at least apparently so..and the components are a bit different..overall. I just think that RL KICKS off some stuff in its aggressive (Ogressif-crock hunter RIP) boundary layer formations. It tends to settle down after a fashion. I wouldn't buy it or use it for that reason. It would be cheaper to use a bottle of Auto-Rx and then use something more economical. I agree with Volvohead. The stuff really has no sensible "economy" to it. It's a performance based purchase ..and a rather narrow one at that.
Oh absolutely. See, back when I was running or had just finished my first arx treat in early 06, I was convinced that it was nothing special and that, based on the chatter on here, I could get the same effect from any high quality ester oil. So, at Tony's urging (which I don't know if he was sincerely curious or just leading me toward a known conclusion) I ran an OCI of Redline to compare the effect to arx. He said he'd already done the same experiment in Helen's Mazda and saw no cleaning. My result was the same. Nothing photographic and the filter wasn't nearly as loaded with deposits as my arx filters had been. I thought maybe I had cleaned everything out but a drop of the pan proved otherwise.
My one arx UOA only showed a 14 Fe and 19 Pb and most of you remember my filter pics.
But don't get me wrong, I have to believe that Redline's results have got to be something cleaning related. I can't fathom otherwise. Same with M1. If I had easy access to Redline locally, it'd be all I would run. But I just can't wrap my head around the logic of it. Too bad I didn't do a UOA on my own Redline run.
Originally Posted By: OVERK1LL
Originally Posted By: 1sttruck
Redline is a superior oil as the high metals in UOAs demonstrate cleaning. Mobil 1 is a poor oil as the high metals in UOAs demonstrate higher wear.
So you are implying that the MASSIVE amount of money spent by GM, Audi, VW, Mercedes....etc to perform extensive testing (and approval) of Exxon-Mobil's Mobil 1 grades are all for nought; a veritable farce if you will, because they should have just used Redline?
Remember Mobil's old "tri-syn" formula? You DO know that this denoted the three types of synthetic base stocks used to formulate the oil right? PAO and two different Esters...?
Redline is FAR from being the only oil company to use esters in their products; it is the fact that use esters as the PRIMARY base stock that sets them apart.
I believe that was intended as a humorous juxtaposition.
Similar to the way that I am charmingly eccentric; YOU are crazy.
Originally Posted By: 1sttruck
Redline is a superior oil as the high metals in UOAs demonstrate cleaning. Mobil 1 is a poor oil as the high metals in UOAs demonstrate higher wear.
So you are implying that the MASSIVE amount of money spent by GM, Audi, VW, Mercedes....etc to perform extensive testing (and approval) of Exxon-Mobil's Mobil 1 grades are all for nought; a veritable farce if you will, because they should have just used Redline?
Remember Mobil's old "tri-syn" formula? You DO know that this denoted the three types of synthetic base stocks used to formulate the oil right? PAO and two different Esters...?
Redline is FAR from being the only oil company to use esters in their products; it is the fact that use esters as the PRIMARY base stock that sets them apart.
I believe that was intended as a humorous juxtaposition.
Similar to the way that I am charmingly eccentric; YOU are crazy.
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Originally Posted By: 1sttruck
Redline is a superior oil as the high metals in UOAs demonstrate cleaning. Mobil 1 is a poor oil as the high metals in UOAs demonstrate higher wear.
As I have said many times that the oils are exactly the same but different.
Redline is a superior oil as the high metals in UOAs demonstrate cleaning. Mobil 1 is a poor oil as the high metals in UOAs demonstrate higher wear.
As I have said many times that the oils are exactly the same but different.
I would say that any oil that meets the required specs changed at its proper interval will keep your engine running as long as you own the car and then some.
Originally Posted By: Tom NJ
Correct, and remember, there are esters and there are esters - it's a huge family. POEs are much more thermally and oxidatively stable than diesters, and have better hydrolytic stability as well. In fact, some POEs have down right excellent hydrolytic stability, comparable to hydrocarbons, depending on where you branch the acids.
The only generalization one can make about "esters" is that they are stable and polar - all the other properties are variable according to the molecular structure of the particular ester you are using.
Unless one knows the exact ester and its percentage in a given formulation, generalizing as to the ester's contribution can be misleading.
Tom NJ
Thanks Tom. Always appreciate your knowledge being shared.
Correct, and remember, there are esters and there are esters - it's a huge family. POEs are much more thermally and oxidatively stable than diesters, and have better hydrolytic stability as well. In fact, some POEs have down right excellent hydrolytic stability, comparable to hydrocarbons, depending on where you branch the acids.
The only generalization one can make about "esters" is that they are stable and polar - all the other properties are variable according to the molecular structure of the particular ester you are using.
Unless one knows the exact ester and its percentage in a given formulation, generalizing as to the ester's contribution can be misleading.
Tom NJ
Thanks Tom. Always appreciate your knowledge being shared.
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Originally Posted By: jpr
Originally Posted By: OVERK1LL
Originally Posted By: 1sttruck
Redline is a superior oil as the high metals in UOAs demonstrate cleaning. Mobil 1 is a poor oil as the high metals in UOAs demonstrate higher wear.
So you are implying that the MASSIVE amount of money spent by GM, Audi, VW, Mercedes....etc to perform extensive testing (and approval) of Exxon-Mobil's Mobil 1 grades are all for nought; a veritable farce if you will, because they should have just used Redline?
Remember Mobil's old "tri-syn" formula? You DO know that this denoted the three types of synthetic base stocks used to formulate the oil right? PAO and two different Esters...?
Redline is FAR from being the only oil company to use esters in their products; it is the fact that use esters as the PRIMARY base stock that sets them apart.
I believe that was intended as a humorous juxtaposition.
Similar to the way that I am charmingly eccentric; YOU are crazy.
Ah-HA! Quite possible sir. I did not take it that way. I am sure we will find out later as to whether it was meant to be taken as off-the-collar or not
Originally Posted By: OVERK1LL
Originally Posted By: 1sttruck
Redline is a superior oil as the high metals in UOAs demonstrate cleaning. Mobil 1 is a poor oil as the high metals in UOAs demonstrate higher wear.
So you are implying that the MASSIVE amount of money spent by GM, Audi, VW, Mercedes....etc to perform extensive testing (and approval) of Exxon-Mobil's Mobil 1 grades are all for nought; a veritable farce if you will, because they should have just used Redline?
Remember Mobil's old "tri-syn" formula? You DO know that this denoted the three types of synthetic base stocks used to formulate the oil right? PAO and two different Esters...?
Redline is FAR from being the only oil company to use esters in their products; it is the fact that use esters as the PRIMARY base stock that sets them apart.
I believe that was intended as a humorous juxtaposition.
Similar to the way that I am charmingly eccentric; YOU are crazy.
Ah-HA! Quite possible sir. I did not take it that way. I am sure we will find out later as to whether it was meant to be taken as off-the-collar or not
Originally Posted By: Steve S
Originally Posted By: 1sttruck
Redline is a superior oil as the high metals in UOAs demonstrate cleaning. Mobil 1 is a poor oil as the high metals in UOAs demonstrate higher wear.
As I have said many times that the oils are exactly the same but different.
Totally agree - it's clearly just another example of something.
Originally Posted By: 1sttruck
Redline is a superior oil as the high metals in UOAs demonstrate cleaning. Mobil 1 is a poor oil as the high metals in UOAs demonstrate higher wear.
As I have said many times that the oils are exactly the same but different.
Totally agree - it's clearly just another example of something.
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