I'll worry more about the 35% and growing than the 2% and growing, thanks. I don't make a habit of "correcting" people's typos online, unless the correction makes a deliberate point (and ideally makes someone look silly
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why do some people stay in school forever?
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Originally Posted By: bvance554
Originally Posted By: hatt
The educated are the faster growing segment of the welfare state.
You're right they are. Because it seems like they have the idea that they got a college degree so now the world owes them something. Like employers should line up waiting to hire them with their Human Resources Management degree. They get job offers that they consider themselves 'overqualified' for. You can't get a job as a 'manager' until you actually have some work experience, despite what it says on your degree. Then they complain about their student loan debt.
+1 then we have posts on BITOG to sign up on the whitehouse.gov website to support wiping out student loan debt. These professional students with multiple college degrees have alot of student loan debt I bet.
Originally Posted By: hatt
The educated are the faster growing segment of the welfare state.
You're right they are. Because it seems like they have the idea that they got a college degree so now the world owes them something. Like employers should line up waiting to hire them with their Human Resources Management degree. They get job offers that they consider themselves 'overqualified' for. You can't get a job as a 'manager' until you actually have some work experience, despite what it says on your degree. Then they complain about their student loan debt.
+1 then we have posts on BITOG to sign up on the whitehouse.gov website to support wiping out student loan debt. These professional students with multiple college degrees have alot of student loan debt I bet.
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Originally Posted By: pbm
When I retire I plan on going back to finish college so that I can challenge a lot of the liberal hogwash that is pushed on students and not worry how it affects my grades.
Today, if a student shows a conservative bent their grades suffer whereas if liberal they are rewarded (biased professors).
You mean like evolution?
Sociology (or the social 'sciences') actually...
Originally Posted By: pbm
When I retire I plan on going back to finish college so that I can challenge a lot of the liberal hogwash that is pushed on students and not worry how it affects my grades.
Today, if a student shows a conservative bent their grades suffer whereas if liberal they are rewarded (biased professors).
You mean like evolution?
Sociology (or the social 'sciences') actually...
This.
It goes to show you have to analyze numbers in context. If a 1% number goes to 3% during the same period a 20% number goes to 25%, the 1% population is growing faster in relative terms, 200% growth, but the 20% population grew larger in total population growth. I.E 2% more is less than 5% more in total numbers.
Clear?
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Originally Posted By: hatt
The educated are the faster growing segment of the welfare state.
My goodness, time to burn down the ivory towers and drive those freeloaders into the street! But first, let's read the actual paper you are citing, shall we?
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The rates of receipt of aid in households of advanced degree holders roughly doubled between 2007 and 2010, but still remained under 2 percent, while the rate for those with less than a high school education is 22 percent, and the rate for high school graduates is 13 percent, increasing by 8 and 6 percentage points, respectively, since 2007.
I'll close with the paper's first sentence:
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Education is not a panacea, yet it is the most effective means of economic advancement.
It goes to show you have to analyze numbers in context. If a 1% number goes to 3% during the same period a 20% number goes to 25%, the 1% population is growing faster in relative terms, 200% growth, but the 20% population grew larger in total population growth. I.E 2% more is less than 5% more in total numbers.
Clear?
Originally Posted By: LazyPrizm
Originally Posted By: hatt
The educated are the faster growing segment of the welfare state.
My goodness, time to burn down the ivory towers and drive those freeloaders into the street! But first, let's read the actual paper you are citing, shall we?
Quote:
The rates of receipt of aid in households of advanced degree holders roughly doubled between 2007 and 2010, but still remained under 2 percent, while the rate for those with less than a high school education is 22 percent, and the rate for high school graduates is 13 percent, increasing by 8 and 6 percentage points, respectively, since 2007.
I'll close with the paper's first sentence:
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Education is not a panacea, yet it is the most effective means of economic advancement.
My personal thoughts on perpetual student is the ones I know get their Masters and PHD typically getting paid a stipend and tuition waver for their hard hard work under a professor. However this is more on the engineering sides and business. My friend was on what she called Physics welfare(she qualified!) as she got her PhD in Nuclear Physics. After living dirt poor she flipped over to industry and Wall Street modeling the market.
In the end do what is best for you and don't worry about others. I would not diss anyone for taking on debt. You sometimes have the potential of making crazy money in certain fields so it makes up.
In the end do what is best for you and don't worry about others. I would not diss anyone for taking on debt. You sometimes have the potential of making crazy money in certain fields so it makes up.
It depends on what you go to school for.
You'll likely make way more if you aim for an MD or law degree by staying in school for 5-10 more years, despite you start out much later, than working as a store clerk ever will.
Now if you just go and get a PhD in Social Study, you'll likely never get your investment back.
You'll likely make way more if you aim for an MD or law degree by staying in school for 5-10 more years, despite you start out much later, than working as a store clerk ever will.
Now if you just go and get a PhD in Social Study, you'll likely never get your investment back.
Originally Posted By: motor_oil_madman
I know some people who plan to go to college for like six years so they can get their masters degree or even doctorate. I suppose you definitely have a better chance of landing a good job but I think either way you still have to put in your time to move up to where you want to be in the first place. Maybe I'm completely off base here but that's just my thoughts. Personally I'd rather get in the workforce and get started with life instead of wasting a million years in school and then you end up starting at the bottom anyways. Any thoughts on this?
I really enjoyed the University I attended. I would have remained longer if I could have afforded it. (Embry Riddle Aero Univ)
I have an acquaintance who is still in full time college in his late 40's. That's just silly, and I think he is a scholarship/financial aid scammer.
I know some people who plan to go to college for like six years so they can get their masters degree or even doctorate. I suppose you definitely have a better chance of landing a good job but I think either way you still have to put in your time to move up to where you want to be in the first place. Maybe I'm completely off base here but that's just my thoughts. Personally I'd rather get in the workforce and get started with life instead of wasting a million years in school and then you end up starting at the bottom anyways. Any thoughts on this?
I really enjoyed the University I attended. I would have remained longer if I could have afforded it. (Embry Riddle Aero Univ)
I have an acquaintance who is still in full time college in his late 40's. That's just silly, and I think he is a scholarship/financial aid scammer.
When I was in school the Viet Nam war was winding up and many fellow students had been avoiding the military with student deferments long after the risk of draft was over. Many would freely call themselves 'professional students' and some weren't really looking forward to 'the grind' of the full time employment that the education was designed for. That said, it seems to me that many Americans are kind of snobish about education/employment=we want our kids to be doctors/lawyers/business types rather than in any career that holds less status -no 'dirty hands' type work. That regardless of aptitude or the kid's own leanings. My wife has taught in health care fields and sees the educational instutions are still also heavily weighted towards liberal arts rather than tech field regardless of the needs of the workplace=kinda too bad. Dan Mpls. Mn.
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