Why aren't we geek'n out on Microgreen Oil Fiters?

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Originally Posted By: BeerCan
I get the argument about not making the engine last longer, based on your LEO and taxi service impressions. However, the brief time I took to read their site did not give me the impression that they were saying the engine would last longer. I got the idea they were saying the oil would last longer, thereby saving costs in the long run.

Not arguing for or against, just giving my impression.


Yes, they will definitely keep the oil cleaner longer, but you still have to deal with TBN depletion for example.
 
Originally Posted By: OVERK1LL


Yes, they will definitely keep the oil cleaner longer, but you still have to deal with TBN depletion for example.


That is my feeling as well, that the TBN is what needs to be dealt with. I am not versed enough in the subject to have a real opinion, but they are claiming that by filtering at such a small level that TBN does not get depleted as fast. I saw a web page that stated that but I cannot find it now. There are a lot of fleets that are supposedly using this filter, so there must be some test data out there.
 
Of course they tested the filter. I just still find it hard to believe that they can claim 30k OCIs. I'm sure thats a MAXIMUM number, not a safe interval that everyone can blindly run.

I still don't buy it but want someone else to be the test dummy here on Bob's.
 
Well regarding the fleet service. I have only been involved in the maint of one fleet. All oil changes in that fleet were determined by UOA. So in a situation like that this filter is probably a good choice.

Like what Artem is pointing out. Some JB is going to buy this filter and blindly run 30k and end up damaging his engine. No real common sense advice is offered on the microgreen site. In comparison, the Amsoil bypass filter claims to "Dramatically Extended Drain Intervals" but they also say "AMSOIL recommends using oil analysis when extending oil drain intervals."

It is to bad, I want to believe that this is a good product. They have a lot of fleet wins, so it must be testing well, but the website seems to snake oil like to me. In the end I will probably skip, but I will admit I had filters in the shopping cart and was ready to buy.
 
Thought you'd be interested in a reply I received from an Operations Manager for Microgreen, in response to whether I should use synthetic or petroleum based oil with the Microgreen filter:
To answer your question, SOMS Technologies cannot recommend one oil
(synthetic or conventional) over another. I do know of customers who have
taken their oil well over the recommended 30,000 mile limit & only
changing filters with synthetic. Most of our testing data is based on
conventional oil, but we have used synthetic in a smaller portion of our
lab & road tests. When using synthetic oil and the microGreen filter the
results were just as good, and in many cases, better than the already
excellent data we had collected with conventional oil. As of right now, we
recommend staying with the 30,000 mile guidelines listed on our website.
Unfortunately, we do not have enough synthetic testing to give a
definitive recommendation past that mileage point.
He also stated that there are vehicles that have 70k+ miles on their oil doing only filter changes every 10k, but not enough to make a general recommendation. I have this gentleman's name but thought he might not appreciate me using it here.
 
Originally Posted By: kjd
Thought you'd be interested in a reply I received from an Operations Manager for Microgreen, in response to whether I should use synthetic or petroleum based oil with the Microgreen filter:
To answer your question, SOMS Technologies cannot recommend one oil
(synthetic or conventional) over another. I do know of customers who have
taken their oil well over the recommended 30,000 mile limit & only
changing filters with synthetic. Most of our testing data is based on
conventional oil, but we have used synthetic in a smaller portion of our
lab & road tests. When using synthetic oil and the microGreen filter the
results were just as good, and in many cases, better than the already
excellent data we had collected with conventional oil. As of right now, we
recommend staying with the 30,000 mile guidelines listed on our website.
Unfortunately, we do not have enough synthetic testing to give a
definitive recommendation past that mileage point.
He also stated that there are vehicles that have 70k+ miles on their oil doing only filter changes every 10k, but not enough to make a general recommendation. I have this gentleman's name but thought he might not appreciate me using it here.



Based on this response and certain things posted on their site, I get the impression that they are a company making oil filters that knows absolutely ZILCH, ZERO, NADA about engine oil.

They act like synthetic oil is from another planet and is different in every possible way compared to dino and therefore, requires its own testing, etc. IT'S THE SAME EXACT TYPE OF LUBE!!!!
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I've decided to pass on this company until they grow a brain and continue with M1, Amsoil and P1 filters that have been oh so good to me and my engines.
 
Originally Posted By: Artem
Originally Posted By: kjd
Thought you'd be interested in a reply I received from an Operations Manager for Microgreen, in response to whether I should use synthetic or petroleum based oil with the Microgreen filter:
To answer your question, SOMS Technologies cannot recommend one oil
(synthetic or conventional) over another. I do know of customers who have
taken their oil well over the recommended 30,000 mile limit & only
changing filters with synthetic. Most of our testing data is based on
conventional oil, but we have used synthetic in a smaller portion of our
lab & road tests. When using synthetic oil and the microGreen filter the
results were just as good, and in many cases, better than the already
excellent data we had collected with conventional oil. As of right now, we
recommend staying with the 30,000 mile guidelines listed on our website.
Unfortunately, we do not have enough synthetic testing to give a
definitive recommendation past that mileage point.
He also stated that there are vehicles that have 70k+ miles on their oil doing only filter changes every 10k, but not enough to make a general recommendation. I have this gentleman's name but thought he might not appreciate me using it here.



Based on this response and certain things posted on their site, I get the impression that they are a company making oil filters that knows absolutely ZILCH, ZERO, NADA about engine oil.

They act like synthetic oil is from another planet and is different in every possible way compared to dino and therefore, requires its own testing, etc. IT'S THE SAME EXACT TYPE OF LUBE!!!!
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I've decided to pass on this company until they grow a brain and continue with M1, Amsoil and P1 filters that have been oh so good to me and my engines.


How I read their response is that they don't have enough testing with synthetic oil to recommend OCIs past 30,000 miles when using their filter. That's why they said to stay with the 30,000 OCI even when using synthetic oil to CYA themselves. I don't think I'd be comfortable running past 30K OCI even with synthetic oil and their filter swap recommendations.
 
Originally Posted By: ZeeOSix
Originally Posted By: Artem
Originally Posted By: kjd
Thought you'd be interested in a reply I received from an Operations Manager for Microgreen, in response to whether I should use synthetic or petroleum based oil with the Microgreen filter:
To answer your question, SOMS Technologies cannot recommend one oil
(synthetic or conventional) over another. I do know of customers who have
taken their oil well over the recommended 30,000 mile limit & only
changing filters with synthetic. Most of our testing data is based on
conventional oil, but we have used synthetic in a smaller portion of our
lab & road tests. When using synthetic oil and the microGreen filter the
results were just as good, and in many cases, better than the already
excellent data we had collected with conventional oil. As of right now, we
recommend staying with the 30,000 mile guidelines listed on our website.
Unfortunately, we do not have enough synthetic testing to give a
definitive recommendation past that mileage point.
He also stated that there are vehicles that have 70k+ miles on their oil doing only filter changes every 10k, but not enough to make a general recommendation. I have this gentleman's name but thought he might not appreciate me using it here.



Based on this response and certain things posted on their site, I get the impression that they are a company making oil filters that knows absolutely ZILCH, ZERO, NADA about engine oil.

They act like synthetic oil is from another planet and is different in every possible way compared to dino and therefore, requires its own testing, etc. IT'S THE SAME EXACT TYPE OF LUBE!!!!
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I've decided to pass on this company until they grow a brain and continue with M1, Amsoil and P1 filters that have been oh so good to me and my engines.


How I read their response is that they don't have enough testing with synthetic oil to recommend OCIs past 30,000 miles when using their filter. That's why they said to stay with the 30,000 OCI even when using synthetic oil to CYA themselves. I don't think I'd be comfortable running past 30K OCI even with synthetic oil and their filter swap recommendations.


Exactly. What Artem failed to recognize is that they're being honest and saying they haven't done the testing to say definitively one way or another. I think that's fair based on the amount of marketing that's believed by a majority of the opinions of this site.

I can promise you that very few of the major oil filter companies truly "know" anything about oil.
 
Originally Posted By: Hannibal
Originally Posted By: ZeeOSix
Originally Posted By: Artem
Originally Posted By: kjd
Thought you'd be interested in a reply I received from an Operations Manager for Microgreen, in response to whether I should use synthetic or petroleum based oil with the Microgreen filter:
To answer your question, SOMS Technologies cannot recommend one oil
(synthetic or conventional) over another. I do know of customers who have
taken their oil well over the recommended 30,000 mile limit & only
changing filters with synthetic. Most of our testing data is based on
conventional oil, but we have used synthetic in a smaller portion of our
lab & road tests. When using synthetic oil and the microGreen filter the
results were just as good, and in many cases, better than the already
excellent data we had collected with conventional oil. As of right now, we
recommend staying with the 30,000 mile guidelines listed on our website.
Unfortunately, we do not have enough synthetic testing to give a
definitive recommendation past that mileage point.
He also stated that there are vehicles that have 70k+ miles on their oil doing only filter changes every 10k, but not enough to make a general recommendation. I have this gentleman's name but thought he might not appreciate me using it here.



Based on this response and certain things posted on their site, I get the impression that they are a company making oil filters that knows absolutely ZILCH, ZERO, NADA about engine oil.

They act like synthetic oil is from another planet and is different in every possible way compared to dino and therefore, requires its own testing, etc. IT'S THE SAME EXACT TYPE OF LUBE!!!!
33.gif


I've decided to pass on this company until they grow a brain and continue with M1, Amsoil and P1 filters that have been oh so good to me and my engines.


How I read their response is that they don't have enough testing with synthetic oil to recommend OCIs past 30,000 miles when using their filter. That's why they said to stay with the 30,000 OCI even when using synthetic oil to CYA themselves. I don't think I'd be comfortable running past 30K OCI even with synthetic oil and their filter swap recommendations.


Exactly. What Artem failed to recognize is that they're being honest and saying they haven't done the testing to say definitively one way or another. I think that's fair based on the amount of marketing that's believed by a majority of the opinions of this site.

I can promise you that very few of the major oil filter companies truly "know" anything about oil.

Agreed. Testing was done with fleet cars that rarely, if ever, use synthetic oils. Personally, I like the benefits of Amsoil and will continue to use it with the Microgreen filter. Response to concerns about this filter are promptly addressed by clicking on the customer service drop down menu (at microgreenfilter.com)which allows you to contact Microgreen directly. I am no saint, but I do change oil on many cars each year (as well as less frequent atf) and something like this filter would save many trips of hauling fluids to O'Reillys, not to mention helping out the environment. Just my two bits.
 
Originally Posted By: Artem
Originally Posted By: LineArrayNut

2011 Hyundai Sonata 2.0T factory mandated sparkplug interval is 30K severe, 45K miles normal (double iridium)


That's only because Hyundai sucks and they're still in the 90s with maintenance schedules.

If the iridium plugs are only good for 30k miles, I wonder how long the regular el cheapo plus will last in their piece of junk motors... 10k miles before going bad and needing replacement?
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come on, my 98 Toyota Camry has longer intervals then quoted in the green filter's site.



that's probably because of it's turbocharged engine
 
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Originally Posted By: johnachak
I care where they are made. I always try to save American jobs over saving a buck if I have the chance.


Yah, but your giving the CEO's and Executives and the Share Holders of this U.S.A. companies who build there products in China, a large bonus at the end of the year..LOL!
 
Originally Posted By: harry j
I'd like to see the UOA with particle counts on this filter.

True. You know a PureOne can catch 2 micron particles at a certain percentage. If they can do 99.9% at 20 Micron, than they can catch a certain percentage at 2. So yes, I'm with you on that, what percentage does it catch at 2 Micron.
 
Originally Posted By: NHGUY
Originally Posted By: lawmanracing
For one thing, "Made in China" is on the box.


Maybe it should be called "MicroRED" in honor of its Communist origin.


It should stay green. Green is money and that seems to be where all of ours is going to! haha (Buy American guys)
 
at 4200 was still looking pretty good, at 4600 was black. so the thin little sintered PTFE disc musta loaded up with all the soot or whatever this motor makes. of course factory, P1, Fram extended guard all were black at 3K so it's better.
 
Still waiting on someone to post a 30,000 mile UOA with dino oil, while using this oil filter and the recommended oil filter service intervals...
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I think MPT30K in a grandma driven prius with 4 filter changes/top offs could be done... but not dino in mine, lol!
 
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