Why aren't we geek'n out on Microgreen Oil Fiters?

[kohnen]

I'm just curious - we're all oil fanatics here - willing to spend gobs of money on the latest synthetic oil.

I use a Microgreen oil filter - it has a built-in 2 micron bypass filter. Now, while I don't buy into that "30,000 mile oil changes with changing our filter every 10,000 miles" idea, it's still a great filter.

I'd think almost everyone on this board would love the idea of having almost nothing bigger than 2 microns floating around in their engine.

But, the reaction that I see most often is "too expensive."

So, what am I missing?

 

[lawmanracing]

For one thing, "Made in China" is on the box.

 

[NHGUY]

Originally Posted By: lawmanracing
For one thing, "Made in China" is on the box.


Maybe it should be called "MicroRED" in honor of its Communist origin.

 

[Quest]

My 2c's worth:

1) tests confirmed that anything less than 10microns or less is not harmful to engine, so making a 2 micron filtration is, IMHO, unnecessary (what next? 0.5 microns?!)

2) 30,000miles OCI with 3x the oil filter changes is, IMHO, barking up the wrong tree for you may be able to rid of the insoluables within the oil, but you cannot get rid of the acid/moisture/other chemical contaminants within the oil by changing out the oil filter alone.

Bottomline: if this said oil filter is so great?! Why no elite automobile manufacturers (such as MB, BMW, Farrari, Marsareti, etc.) choose to use them in their designs?

In the end: the design may be a sound concept but w/o gaining acceptance out in the public/major automotive manufacturer, IMHO, they aren't gaining enough confidence to secure their foothold in the market.

I'd leave it for a few more years.

Q.

 

[Artem]

Originally Posted By: lawmanracing
For one thing, "Made in China" is on the box.


Sure it might be made in China but it's built according to certain specs, using quality materials (obviously) so who cares who actually put the thing together? I'm sure this brings down production costs, therefor bringing down OUR cost as well.

It's only $15 a filter. A Royal Purple filter costs this much and is nowhere NEAR as efficient as this filter is.

I'm thinking of trying it out...

 

[Cristobal]

Maybe someday. But I have other filters to use right now from the stash. Personally, I am more turned on by the phrase "Orange Can Of Death" than "Microgreen." Call me backwards if you like.

 

[kohnen]

Originally Posted By: Quest
My 2¢'s worth:

1) tests confirmed that anything less than 10microns or less is not harmful to engine, so making a 2 micron filtration is, IMHO, unnecessary (what next? 0.5 microns?!)

2) 30,000miles OCI with 3x the oil filter changes is, IMHO, barking up the wrong tree for you may be able to rid of the insolubles within the oil, but you cannot get rid of the acid/moisture/other chemical contaminants within the oil by changing out the oil filter alone.

Bottomline: if this said oil filter is so great?! Why no elite automobile manufacturers (such as MB, BMW, Farrari, Marsareti, etc.) choose to use them in their designs?

In the end: the design may be a sound concept but w/o gaining acceptance out in the public/major automotive manufacturer, IMHO, they aren't gaining enough confidence to secure their foothold in the market.

I'd leave it for a few more years.

Q.


1) Would like to see the papers. Papers I've seen indicate reducing particles in the 2-40 micron range does reduce wear. How much? I don't know. I do know that my '07 Prius doesn't burn any significant oil (I don't have to add oil between 10,000 mile oil changes) and it has 102,000 miles on it.

2) Agreed as I noted in my original post.

Bottomline Because a "standard" filter will get you well past warranty.

In the end I look at it as a cheaper / easier way to get the performance of a bypass filter (Amsoil, Frantz) without the hassle or expense of having to install a separate unit.

Just trying to figure out why we all can geek out about super-cool oils that cost $30-$40 for a fill, but not geek out about a $15-$20 filter that goes down to 2 micron.

(And, just in case I haven't made it clear, I really don't buy in to that "use our filter, change every 30k miles" story.)

 

[Artem]

Originally Posted By: MicroGreen
The biggest leap forward in 30 years

It is rare for a product to enter into the automotive market with a technological advancement that is very easy to adopt and significantly improves performance. The microGreen® filter is similar to developments in spark plugs and radiator coolant fluid. Those products used to be changed quite often, requiring maintenance several times per year.

Nevertheless, end-users desired less frequent maintenance and technology was finally developed to match their demands. Now spark plugs are changed at around 50,000 miles and radiator fluid can be used 3 years or longer. The microGreen® filter is simple to use and makes engine oil maintenance much easier and less expensive . When the vehicle is serviced, the oil is changed and the microGreen® filter is installed. At every other oil change interval, the microGreen® filter is changed but the oil remains in the engine and is simply "topped-up" if necessary.


I never understood why many "technologically" advanced companies produce such fine products, hinting at the fact that they might know a thing or two about automobile maintenance and then ruin it with silly comments like this.

Today's Iridium spark plugs are made to go 100,000 miles + before needing to be changed.

They're promoting 30k OCIs yet still live in the past with 50k spark plug changes

i don't get it. The least they can do is post modern, up to date information of their freakin site. Use of the phrase "up to x amount" comes to mind. These guys FAIL but i'm still interested in trying out their filter.

 

[kohnen]

Originally Posted By: NHGUY
Originally Posted By: lawmanracing
For one thing, "Made in China" is on the box.


Maybe it should be called "MicroRED" in honor of its Communist origin.


I'd bet good money that the computer / cell phone / tablet computer you both used to respond are also made in China. It's really hard to get away from.

 

[Artem]

Originally Posted By: kohnen


Just trying to figure out why we all can geek out about super-cool oils that cost $30-$40 for a fill, but not geek out about a $15-$20 filter that goes down to 2 micron.

(And, just in case I haven't made it clear, I really don't buy in to that "use our filter, change every 30k miles" story.)


Yea i don't get where they got 30k from either... Amsoil's best oils have been reduced to 25,000 miles (down from 35k)

Mobil 1 and other extended drain oils only recommend 15k at most.

IMO, this filter is only good for added piece of mind as we run the OCIs in our daily drivers up to 10-15k miles with top notch synthetics. If this filter will help us get there with cleaner oil and more addtives leftover in the end, it's a success in my book.

 

[Lead Shoes]

Interesting specs on the filter, its a shame you can only get them in a pack of two for $34.99..

It doesn't say how efficient it is at 2 to 5 microns either, seems fishy, kind of like those random brands of oil that are 15 dollars a quart with little to no info.

 

[HTSS_TR]

Oil filter isn't importance as air filter in a clean engine. Any decent oil filter can lasted 12-15k miles or a year in a clean engine. Honda recommends their tiny oil filter for 2 OCI's at 8-10k miles each OCI. Why bother with $15 oil filter and needed to change at 10k miles ?

 

[ZZman]

Maybe because it is not a true bypass filter.

Most bypass systems filter a much larger volume of oil.

This one filters a small volume of oil while most goes thru the regular filter element.

 

[JHZR2]

Originally Posted By: Quest



Bottomline: if this said oil filter is so great?! Why no elite automobile manufacturers (such as MB, BMW, Farrari, Marsareti, etc.) choose to use them in their designs?



MB for years specced a filter with built in bypass.

 

[HerrStig]

It's either Dogpoopscooper "Plus", Dogpoopscooper "Dot 2", or Dogpoopscooper "Green" these days. If it says "green" and has nothing to do with growing plants, I ain't interested. BTW how can our Chinese "friends" charge 15 bucks for ANY auto oil filter? Probably about a 14 dollar markup.

 

[harry j]

I'd like to see the UOA with particle counts on this filter.

 

[NavyDood]

For me and my 2004 Dodge Cummins I would gain nothing but a lighter wallet.

 

[johnachak]

I care where they are made. I always try to save American jobs over saving a buck if I have the chance.

 

[ltslimjim]

http://www.microgreenfilter.com/

 

[Garak]

Originally Posted By: harry j
I'd like to see the UOA with particle counts on this filter.


Agreed. It might be something for extended OCIs, but for my car (which is still under warranty), the filter is $29.99. I can get Bosch Premiums for under $5.

It might be "nice" to get all those smaller particles out, if the claims are taken at face value, but given the cost and the fact that engines tend to outlast everything else, unless one is doing extended OCIs, where's the return on investment?