Who make Supertech oil?

[z917990]

Some posters have said the Walmart Supertech synthetic is a good group III synthetic - that it is better than your average dino, but not as good as Mobil 1, Amsoil, Red Line, etc. Which oil company makes Supertech? If I stuck to oil change intervals between 3000 and 5000 miles, would this be a better alternative to a synthetic blend? I'm not looking for super-extended OCIs, so Amsoil, Mobil 1 EP etc would be a waste of my money. Thank you in advance.

 

[andyfish]

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Originally posted by z917990:
Some posters have said the Walmart Supertech synthetic is a good group III synthetic - that it is better than your average dino, but not as good as Mobil 1, Amsoil, Red Line, etc. Which oil company makes Supertech? If I stuck to oil change intervals between 3000 and 5000 miles, would this be a better alternative to a synthetic blend? I'm not looking for super-extended OCIs, so Amsoil, Mobil 1 EP etc would be a waste of my money. Thank you in advance.

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This is a candidate for a sticky in my humble opinion.

Sorry I did not answer but the answer is no one really knows however there are good ideas.

 

[Mike_dup1]

Each oil product Walmart sells (ST or whatever) is sourced from different places. The bottler is often not the source. But QS/Pennzoil seem to dominate a lot of the oils.

I found this list of Material Saftey Datasheet info a while back but I don;t know how currnet it is../

TECH 2000 SUPER CONCENTRATED FUEL INJECTOR CLEANER -- FIRST BRAND
SUPER TECH GAS LINE ANTI-FREEZE -- CRISTY
SUPER TECH R&O ANTI-WEAR OIL ALL GRADES -- SPECIALTY OIL
SUPER TECH RV WINTERIZER -- QUAKER STATE
SUPER TECH UNIVERSAL PRECISE MIX 2-CYCLE ENGINE OIL -- SPECIALTY
SUPER TECH SUPER CONCENTRATED FUEL INJECTOR CLEANER -- FIRST BRANDS
SUPER TECH GAS TREATMENT -- FIRST BRANDS
SUPER TECH FUEL INJECTOR AND CARBURETOR CLEANER -- FIRST BRANDS
SUPER TECH & TECH 2000 WINTER FORMULA -25 WINDSHIELD WASHER FLUID
SUPER TECH & TECH 2000 WINDSHIELD WASH -30F -- SOUTH WIN LTD

SUPER TECH & TECH 2000 -20 WINDSHIELD WASHER FLUID -- SOUTHWIN T
TECH 2000 & SUPER TECH SUMMER FORMULA WINDSHIELD WASHER FLUID --S
SUPER TECH R&O ANTI-WEAR HYDRAULIC OIL ISO 46 -- WARREN DISTRIBUT
SUPER TECH BAR AND CHAIN OIL SAE 30 -- WARREN DISTRIBUTION
SUPER TECH UNIVERSAL HYDRAULIC TRANSMISSION FLUID -- WARREN DISTR
SUPER TECH MINERAL GEAR OIL SAE 90 -- WARREN DISTRIBUTION
SUPER TECH SAE 15W40 -- WARREN DISTRIBUTION
SUPER TECH AND TECH 2000 20W50 OIL -- WARREN DISTRIBUTION
SUPER TECH AND TECH 2000 5W30 MOTOR OIL -- WARREN DISTRIBUTION
SUPER TECH AND TECH 2000 GENUINE 30W MOTOR OIL -- WARREN DISTRIBU
SUPER TECH AND TECH 2000 30W MOTOR OIL -- WARREN DISTRIBUTION
SUPER TECH AND TECH 2000 DEXRON III/MERCON AUTOMATIC TRANSMISSION
SUPER TECH AND TECH 2000 TYPE F AUTOMATIC TRANSMISSION FLUID --
SUPER TECH SAE 30 UNIVERSAL MOTOR OIL -- WARREN DISTRIBUTION
SUPER TECH 5W30 FULL SYNTHETIC OIL -- WARREN DISTRIBUTION
SUPER TECH FULL SYNTHETIC SAE 10W30 -- WARREN DISTRIBUTION
SUPER TECH SYNTHETIC BLEND SAE 5W30 MOTOR OIL -- WARREN DISTRIBUT
SUPER TECH SYNTHETIC BLEND SAE 10W30 MOTOR OIL -- WARREN DISTRIBU
SUPER TECH ENGINE TREATMENT -- SPECIALTY OIL CO
SUPER TECH STARTING FLUID -- VALVOLINE
SUPER TECH 50/50 ANTIFREEZE AND COOLANT -- OLD WORLD INDUSTRIES
SUPER TECH TILT AND TRIM FLUID -- WARREN DISTRIBUTION
SUPER TECH MULTI-VEHICLE AUTOMATIC TRANSMISSION FLUID -- WARREN D
SUPER TECH SYNTHETIC BLEND 10W40 MOTOR OIL -- WARREN DISTRIBUTION
SUPER TECH UNIVERSAL 2-CYCLE OIL -- WARREN DISTRIBUTION
SUPER TECH RV AND MARINE ANTI-FREEZE -- FOX PACKAGING CO
SUPER TECH ENGINE DEGREASER -- HYDROSOL INC
SUPER TECH CARB CLEANER -- HYDROSOL INC
SUPER TECH WHITE GREASE -- HYDROSOL INC.
SUPER TECH MULTI PURPOSE LITHIUM GREASE -- WARREN DISTRIBUTION
SUPER TECH MULTI DUTY COMPLEX GREASE -- WARREN DISTRIBUTION
SUPER TECH MOLY LITHIUM GREASE -- WARREN DISTRIBUTION
SUPER TECH MARINE GREASE -- WARREN DISTRIBUTION
SUPER TECH 0 DEGREE WINDSHIELD WASHER FLUID -- SOUTHWIN LTD
SUPER TECH AUTOMATIC TRANSMISSION FLUID -- WARREN DISTRIBUTION
SUPER TECH 75W140 SYNTHETIC GEAR OIL -- WARREN DISTRIBUTION
SUPER TECH AND TECH 2000 GL-5 SAE 80W90 GEAR OIL -- WARREN DIST
SUPER TECH AND TECH 2000 GL-5 85W140 GEAR OIL -- WARREN DISTRIBUT
SUPER TECH FULL SYNTHETIC - ALL GRADES -- SPECIALTY OIL / PENNZO
SUPER TECH OUTBOARD 2 CYCLE ENGINE OIL TC-W3 -- SPECIALTY OIL
SUPER TECH MINERAL GEAR OIL SAE 90 -- SPECIALTY OIL / PENNZOIL QU
SUPER TECH AND TECH 2000 10W30 MOTOR OIL -- WARREN DISTRIBUTION
SUPER TECH SYNTHETIC BLEND MOTOR OIL - ALL GRADES -- SPECIALTY O
SUPER TECH SUMMER WINDSHIELD WASH (WASHER FLUID 32) -- FOX PACK
SUPER TECH +22 F WINDSHIELD WASHER FLUID -- FOX PACKAGING
SUPER TECH 10W40 -- EXXON MOBIL
SUPER TECH 20W50 -- EXXON MOBIL
SUPER TECH R AND O ANTI WEAR HYDRAULIC OIL AW 46 -- SPECIALTY
SUPER TECH SAE 30 UNIVERSAL MOTOR OIL -- PENNZOIL QUAKER STATE
SUPER TECH SAE 30 UNIVERSAL MOTOR OIL -- PENNZOIL QUAKER S
SUPER TECH AND TECH 2000 WINDSHIELD WASHER FLUID -25F -- FOX PA
SUPER TECH WINDSHIELD WASHER FLUID -20F -- FOX PACKAGING
SUPER TECH MARINE OUTBOARD 2 CYCLE ENGINE OIL TC-W3 -- SPECIALT
SUPER TECH MARINE HIGH VISCOSITY 80W90 LOWER UNIT GEAR LUBRICANT
SUPER TECH CORROSION CONTROL AND TRAILER WHEEL BEARING GREASE --
SUPER TECH CONCENTRATED FUEL INJECTOR CLEANER -- PENNZOIL QUAKER
SUPER TECH GAS TREATMENT -- PENNZOIL QUAKER STATE
SUPER TECH POWER STEERING FLUID -- PENNZOIL QUAKER STATE
SUPER TECH HIGH PERFORMANCE BRAKE FLUID DOT 3 -- PENNZOIL QUAKER
SUPER TECH UNIVERSAL 2 CYCLE ENGINE OIL -- PENNZOIL QUAKER STATE
SUPER TECH 80W90 AND 85W140 GEAR LUBRICANT -- SPECIALTY OIL
SUPER TECH MARINE POWER TRIM AND TILT FLUID -- PENNZOIL QUAKER
SUPER TECH SAE 30 UNIVERSAL HEAVY DUTY DIESEL ENGINE OIL -- PE
SUPER TECH PERFORMANCE ENGINEERED HD SAE MOTOR OIL - ALL GRADES
SUPER TECH HEAVY DUTY TRACTOR HYDRAULIC AND TRANSMISSION OIL -- SPEC
SUPER TECH R&O ANTI WEAR HYDRAULIC OIL AW 46 -- SPECIALTY OIL
SUPER TECH FUEL INJECTOR AND CARBURETOR CLEANER -- SPECIALTY OI
SUPER TECH TYPE F AUTOMATIC TRANSMISSION FLUID -- SPECIALTY OIL
SUPER TECH DEXRON III / MERCON AUTOMATIC TRANSMISSION FLUID -- SPEC
SUPER TECH BAR & CHAIN OIL GRADE 30 -- SPECIALTY OIL / PENNZOIL
SUPER TECH SAE 15W40 UNIVERSAL MOTOR OIL -- SPECIALTY OIL / PENN
SUPER TECH PERFORMANCE ENGINEERED MOTOR OIL - ALL GRADES -- SPECI
SUPER TECH ANTIFREEZE / COOLANT -- HONEYWELL
SUPER TECH WINDSHIELD WASHER PREMIUM DEICER -30 -- FOX PACKAGIN
SUPER TECH 5W30 -- EXXON MOBIL
SUPER TECH MULTI LUBE -- HYDROSOL
SUPER TECH OIL TREATMENT -- NATIONAL INTERCHEM LLC
SUPER TECH 10W30 -- EXXON MOBIL
SUPER TECH HD 30 -- EXXON MOBIL
30440 SEARCHED 96 SELECTED

 

[GROUCHO MARX]

Thanks to Mike, but we all know it's only a matter of time before this is revisited.

Perhaps a search will yield a VOA of the ST oils with some commentary.

 

[Ray H]

Apparently the syn and syn-blend ST passenger car motor oils are sourced from Warren Distribution's Warren Performance Products division. Check the bottoms of these bottles - the initials, "WPP" are molded in raised lettering.

 

[drive it forever]

I work as a yard truck driver at a WAL-Mart distribution center in ohio. The Supertech we get in comes from exxonmobil from a Paulsboro, NJ refinery. The give away is that the bottles have the same shape as Mobil conventional does. Wal-mart has to keep the MSDS around forever because they might have a 15 year old bottle of oil when it may have been made by QS. I have no problem backing a trailer of this oil into the dock, but when I open up the trailer doors and see a load of Fram filters I detest.

 

[drive it forever]

Where you live determines if you get the Warren or the Exxonmobil Supertech oil.

 

[Juan]

I asked an associate here where the ST came from, she answered without hesitation that it was Quaker State. The bottles were exactly the same, and the numbers on the bottom of the bottles were the same, except for the last four.

 

[IBJanky]

great info

 

[FowVay]

Here's something I found interesting. Since member "Audi Junkie" has been preaching that SuperTech Full Synthetic is A3 rated I decided to go pay Wal-Mart a visit and read the bottle. On the silver bottle it says that it's Full Synthetic and for High Mileage vehicles. It also mentions all of the same specifications that Valvoline Max-Life Synthetic 10W-30 meet.

So I'm wondering if the Full Syn. Wal-mart 10W-30 might be a repackaged Valvoline/Ashland product. It's very unusual to see a low cost store brand oil mention the ACEA A3 rating.

 

[Triple_Se7en]

Usually the add-pack is weaker when name brand oil manufacturers bottle oils with house-brand names.

The only exception to that may be what's being produced for the major vehicle companies. Ford Motor CO may specify more synthetic in their Motorcraft syn-blend oils than Conoco puts in their dollar store Trop-Artic. Alot of that evidence is in the price differences for both. If you actually think you're getting the same Motorcraft base oils & additives for your Trop-Artic.... you're dreaming.

Conoco can state anything they want on their website that both are the same, but those figures are listed as averages that can be easily manipulated since no government agencies tests these oils for validity everyday... or even once a year.

Governments test when complaints become overwhelming by consumers & how many of us have a Butler oil analysis lab at home to let our government know that we were just ripped-off by Conoco because our quart jug only contained 3% synthetic?

We need a federal law that stipulates the amount of synthetic in every jug of syn-blend we buy. I suggest 25% should be that fair number. In the meantime, I blend my own at 33% & I won't buy house-brands anymore knowing they are value-priced & "obviously" contain less goodies than the original. Those house-brands (conventionals) may serve their purpose for 3K intervals... that's about it in a majority of used engines whose owners want to spend less on their worn vehicles.

 

[Ray H]

Triple, you're gaining a well-deserved reputation for flooding the ether with groundless suppositions and attempting to back them up with nothing but personal Kentucky windage. Why should anyone take your opinions as gospel and totally ignore ConocoPhillips' published specifications? If you can actually prove ConocoPhillips is engaging in false advertising, then, by all means do so by presenting verifiable evidence. Otherwise, you're making a greater mockery of yourself on this forum than you are of ConocoPhillips. Why, by the way, did you choose to hijack an ST motor oil thread to engage in a continuation of one of your anti-ConocoPhillips rants?

[ July 19, 2005, 08:07 PM: Message edited by: Ray H ]

 

[G-MAN]

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Originally posted by Triple_Se7en:
We need a federal law that stipulates the amount of synthetic in every jug of syn-blend we buy. I suggest 25% should be that fair number. In the meantime, I blend my own at 33% & I won't buy house-brands anymore knowing they are value-priced & "obviously" contain less goodies than the original. Those house-brands (conventionals) may serve their purpose for 3K intervals... that's about it in a majority of used engines whose owners want to spend less on their worn vehicles.

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Yeah, that's just what we need: The Federal govt sticking its nose somewhere else where it doesn't belong.

 

[TomJones76]

I wouldn't mind a government-mandated breakdown of % by group of the base oils in oils on the shelf.
Maybe, "
Group I: 50%
Group II: 35%
Group III: 15%"

For your typical synthetic blend.

 

[Ray H]

Ford's own MSDS for its "SM"/"GL-4" Motorcraft Synthetic Blend motor oils (5W-20,
5w30, and 10W-30) released April 11, 2005 has an interesting breakdown of the
base oil content:

code:

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Chemical Name CAS Number Percent

Concentration

PETROLEUM DISTILLATES 64742-54-7 75-85



HYDROTREATED HEAVY

PARAFFINIC



PETROLEUM DISTILLATES 64742-46-7 5-20

HYDROTREATED MIDDLE

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Both base stocks are hydrotreated, but which one is Group III? ConocoPhillips (the
blender) is on record to admitting to more than 50% Group III content in Motorcraft
oil, so, if true, Motorcraft Synthetic Blends are in excess of 74% Group III content, with
the 5-30% remainder being Group II. Would anyone seriously have the U.S. Gub’m’nt
in charge of scaling the Group III content back to some arbitrary content percentage
set by a bunch of fat-bottomed, civil service bureaucrats in Washington who couldn’t
tell motor oil from day-old nasal mucous secretions?

 

[vicmackey]

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Originally posted by Triple_Se7en:

The only exception to that may be what's being produced for the major vehicle companies. Ford Motor CO may specify more synthetic in their Motorcraft syn-blend oils than Conoco puts in their dollar store Trop-Artic. Alot of that evidence is in the price differences for both. If you actually think you're getting the same Motorcraft base oils & additives for your Trop-Artic.... you're dreaming.

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Since you brought up "evidence" just go ahead and post yours.

 

[Audi Junkie]

The term "synthetic" is meaningless anymore, esp since the advent of SM oils. I did not expect miracles from ST Synth, but I liked the A3 "rating" which makes it quite different in terms of +100c visc than other 30 weight oils, something we all have been asking for. If it actually passes the ACEA A3 sequence, that makes it a LOT better than API SJ/SL...even SM, as per Carpy's claim. Having HM adds is nice too. >>>imo, it's the oil we have all been asking for and whatever marketer decided to blend theis ONE visc product NAILED IT!
Now, this brings be back to the actual reason I am posting. How the heck can different oil companies bottle such a technically specific product...economically? The only answer that makes sense is that there is ONE source, at least for the ST Synth product. Whew.

 

[Mike_dup1]

Just because it comes from say Exxon/Mobil does not mean that its the very same product. You just don't know if they are blending a simlar product to sell under the other brand name. They dont' want you to know or why else would thier brand (Mobil 1) have any value.

If I was Mobil 1, I sure as **** would not sell it under another brand name, espically Super Tech, which is likely (as the wind) to change source to find a lower price for the same spec.

 

[NewGuy]

Audi Junkie and FowVay make some good points. I looked at the ST full synthetic today and it is the only oil that claims: full synthetic (probably group III), High Mileage formulation and is A3 rated. All delivered in a 5 quart jug for $10.97. That sounds like a pretty good value to me. It might be a good solution to those vehicles that like thicker 30 wt products, but I would be hesitant to extend the OCIs.

It will be hard to get past the idea of putting "Wal-Mart brand" oil in your $30,000 vehicle......but it might not be a bad product. I think I will run it in my Jeep once I get past the ARx rinse phase.