2008 Toyota Rav4 with the 2.5L 4cyl engine. For the life of me I cannot find the P/S fluid reservoir to do a fluid change. Does anyone out there know where it is?
Where is the P/S reservoir????
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Maybe it has electric power steering?
Correct - it has electric power steering; no fluid; no reservoir.
Well as Homer would say......DOH!!!!
Originally Posted By: Doog
Well as Homer would say......DOH!!!!
No big deal. No fluid change now... haha!
Well as Homer would say......DOH!!!!
No big deal. No fluid change now... haha!
Haw! Good one, man.
made my day...
made my day...
Nice, one less accessory to drip oil in the driveway and one less drag on engine output. I wonder if they have retrofit kits to switch to electric power steering? Probably not worth the cost unless it is a very nice car.
I would not want electric assist steering.(and everything is using it now).
What happens with an electrical glitch,an electric motor failure (motors dont last forever),or a fire (as in BMW MINI)? 200-300K miles on a belt driven hydraulic setup is commonplace.One more thing to worry about.
What happens with an electrical glitch,an electric motor failure (motors dont last forever),or a fire (as in BMW MINI)? 200-300K miles on a belt driven hydraulic setup is commonplace.One more thing to worry about.
Electric vs standard fluid type PS:
More complexity and costs, fixing it is a nightmare, and there is no apparent benefit to me.
More complexity and costs, fixing it is a nightmare, and there is no apparent benefit to me.
Originally Posted By: TallPaul
Nice, one less accessory to drip oil in the driveway and one less drag on engine output. I wonder if they have retrofit kits to switch to electric power steering? Probably not worth the cost unless it is a very nice car.
Not only that, but they can be 'tuned' to eliminate or reduce torque steer in FWD, etc. A great idea.
I'm sure all the dinosaurs complained when the first PS systems came out way back when.
Nice, one less accessory to drip oil in the driveway and one less drag on engine output. I wonder if they have retrofit kits to switch to electric power steering? Probably not worth the cost unless it is a very nice car.
Not only that, but they can be 'tuned' to eliminate or reduce torque steer in FWD, etc. A great idea.
I'm sure all the dinosaurs complained when the first PS systems came out way back when.
Electric assist steering in a small/light car such as Honda S2000 is okay, if it fails the steering can still be operated without any assist just a little heavier.
The advantage of electric power steering, at least in the S2000, is no assist when the steering is at center therefore consumes no power and has good steering feel.
The advantage of electric power steering, at least in the S2000, is no assist when the steering is at center therefore consumes no power and has good steering feel.
I'm not much of a fan of electric power steering. My mom's 05 Malibu has it, when her alternator was going out (didn't know what caused this right at first, it was under warranty so the dealer checked it out). They kept beating their head against the wall on it, so I looked into it. The voltage regulator would "stick" so increase in RPM meant increase in voltage, up to 18 volts. When this happened the power steering would attempt to center itself...it's not a whole lot of fun trying to drive on a curve when it decided to center itself. While I admit, alternator failure in this manner is not common, the centering issue wouldn't have happened if the car had hydraulic power steering.
These hydraulic PS systems they're putting on those iron horses, criminal. Now something else to break and make you crash because some of those New York types insist on having things too easy.
I say we go back to horses. Wadn't nothing wrong with that.
I say we go back to horses. Wadn't nothing wrong with that.
Originally Posted By: HTSS_TR
Electric assist steering in a small/light car such as Honda S2000 is okay, if it fails the steering can still be operated without any assist just a little heavier.
The advantage of electric power steering, at least in the S2000, is no assist when the steering is at center therefore consumes no power and has good steering feel.
This is a HUGE advantage to EPS. Feel is highly subjective but some truly great modern cars with highly renowned steering feel are using it!
The efficiency gains are small but measurable, and even more relevant as engines get smaller these days. Sure, there'll be some teething issues.
But it is a real improvement.
Electric assist steering in a small/light car such as Honda S2000 is okay, if it fails the steering can still be operated without any assist just a little heavier.
The advantage of electric power steering, at least in the S2000, is no assist when the steering is at center therefore consumes no power and has good steering feel.
This is a HUGE advantage to EPS. Feel is highly subjective but some truly great modern cars with highly renowned steering feel are using it!
The efficiency gains are small but measurable, and even more relevant as engines get smaller these days. Sure, there'll be some teething issues.
But it is a real improvement.
Do you guys realize the complexity and costs of the electric steering systems? Wait till they puke on your car!
This is why I strongly balk - not because they can't work OK sometimes.
This is why I strongly balk - not because they can't work OK sometimes.
May be. But on the S2000 there is no choice for traditional power steering system or no power steering, all came with EPS.
Originally Posted By: mechtech2
Do you guys realize the complexity and costs of the electric steering systems? Wait till they puke on your car!
This is why I strongly balk - not because they can't work OK sometimes.
Not all have the same level of complexity. GM claims internally that it will actually be cheaper. There is the potential for a longer service life. Less maintenance as well.
The main reason driving it is the integration into stability control systems.
Do you guys realize the complexity and costs of the electric steering systems? Wait till they puke on your car!
This is why I strongly balk - not because they can't work OK sometimes.
Not all have the same level of complexity. GM claims internally that it will actually be cheaper. There is the potential for a longer service life. Less maintenance as well.
The main reason driving it is the integration into stability control systems.
Originally Posted By: SteveSRT8
Originally Posted By: mechtech2
Do you guys realize the complexity and costs of the electric steering systems? Wait till they puke on your car!
This is why I strongly balk - not because they can't work OK sometimes.
Not all have the same level of complexity. GM claims internally that it will actually be cheaper. There is the potential for a longer service life. Less maintenance as well.
The main reason driving it is the integration into stability control systems.
I'll take no fluids to leak in the future as a good risk.
Originally Posted By: mechtech2
Do you guys realize the complexity and costs of the electric steering systems? Wait till they puke on your car!
This is why I strongly balk - not because they can't work OK sometimes.
Not all have the same level of complexity. GM claims internally that it will actually be cheaper. There is the potential for a longer service life. Less maintenance as well.
The main reason driving it is the integration into stability control systems.
I'll take no fluids to leak in the future as a good risk.
My Saturn ION had an electric PS system. More than once I had to bring it to the dealer because I would get "PWR STR" warning light. It took several different things to make it right.
My dad's Pontiac G6 has electric power steering, and it needed a repair once.
That in mind, I have dealt with plenty of failed hydraulic power steering systems.
My dad's Pontiac G6 has electric power steering, and it needed a repair once.
That in mind, I have dealt with plenty of failed hydraulic power steering systems.
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