Where is Doug Hillary?

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Originally Posted By: Bamboooo
With 13,000+ posts, we know who the "keyboard quarterbacks" are......



Well, if that's true...what is that going to say about me?

There are people here who really like to push their "ideals" on others......


It's getting hard to find those with an open mind...(or post facts.. :/)
 
Originally Posted By: Pablo
All I can say is read some oil hocus pocus on other forums and you will see, in general, BITOG is somewhat centered. I may not always agree with Doug, but he helps keep the discussion out of the weeds.

Find the snow mobile forum 2 stroke oil "evaluation" if you want complete hack.
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Lol @ that thread....
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Overkill - As long as what DH writes, gives you that warm, fuzzy feeling, then that's all that matters. Most of us aren't overly obsessive about lubricants. I do have a life outside of "oil". If 400 regular joes says Product-X is good, then I'll try it. I don't need an "expert" tribologico-whatever-ogist to tell me to put this or that in my car. It's worked for 40+ years! I don't have an "axe to grind". I just like to show how ridiculous you can be, by getting all huffy, and bulling up, just because somebody doesn't place your savior "DH" on a pedestal like you do. I don't attend the church of Tribologists & Lubrication Engineers. Freedom of religion is one of our Rights. Er, I guess, it's one of MY Rights.....
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Actually, most of US ARE overly obsessive about lubricants, LOL, that's why we are on this board.

The people who don't really care... don't post here.... because they don't care.

This thread was created (and not by me.....) because people were concerned that Doug hasn't posted in a while. I think that's a pretty good indicator for you: I'm far from the only one on this board that values Doug's input in lubricant choice and discussions.

I know you've chosen to single me out for whatever reason, and hey, that's your prerogative. But I wonder, if you've got better things to do with your time, then why are you here berating me in a thread about somebody who is well-regarded by the majority of people with any sort of tenure on this board? It seems a little contrary to your argument sir.
 
Originally Posted By: OVERK1LL
Actually, most of US ARE overly obsessive about lubricants, LOL, that's why we are on this board.

The people who don't really care... don't post here.... because they don't care.

This thread was created (and not by me.....) because people were concerned that Doug hasn't posted in a while. I think that's a pretty good indicator for you: I'm far from the only one on this board that values Doug's input in lubricant choice and discussions.

I know you've chosen to single me out for whatever reason, and hey, that's your prerogative. But I wonder, if you've got better things to do with your time, then why are you here berating me in a thread about somebody who is well-regarded by the majority of people with any sort of tenure on this board? It seems a little contrary to your argument sir.


Because I need a good laugh before I go to bed!
 
Originally Posted By: Bamboooo
Originally Posted By: OVERK1LL
Actually, most of US ARE overly obsessive about lubricants, LOL, that's why we are on this board.

The people who don't really care... don't post here.... because they don't care.

This thread was created (and not by me.....) because people were concerned that Doug hasn't posted in a while. I think that's a pretty good indicator for you: I'm far from the only one on this board that values Doug's input in lubricant choice and discussions.

I know you've chosen to single me out for whatever reason, and hey, that's your prerogative. But I wonder, if you've got better things to do with your time, then why are you here berating me in a thread about somebody who is well-regarded by the majority of people with any sort of tenure on this board? It seems a little contrary to your argument sir.


Because I need a good laugh before I go to bed!


Whatever gets you off I suppose.
 
Originally Posted By: Bamboooo
I don't need an "expert" tribologico-whatever-ogist to tell me to put this or that in my car.


No, and I don't, either. However, he does add some valuable insight and has a wealth of experience. My millions of miles of fleet management don't even scratch the surface of his experience, and that's not even mentioning his credentials and knowledge in lubricant development. And, as Pablo mentioned, he's quite helpful when people's ideas go really off the rails.

Further, Doug is one of the most helpful and most respectful posters out there. He'd be quite correct in brusquely calling a lot of us out on the carpet, on all sides of things, including bizarre ideas like using 20w-50 in an engine speced for 5w-20 (the old thick oil crowd); minor, irrelevant issues like obsessing over the differences between QSGB and PYB (me); and so forth.

Instead, he provides helpful, polite, well rounded, sensible advice, drawn from experience. It's also important to note that his wide ranging experience allows him to share knowledge that the vast majority of us could never obtain on our own and can help dispel certain myths, regardless of how entrenched they are, particularly the myth that cheap UOAs don't just determine oil condemnation and certain potential problems (i.e. bearings or coolant intrusion), but can also determine wear.

He keeps the science in tribology. Faith and opinion are trumped by data.
 
To lose Doug, with his vast knowledge, would be a loss for the board.

Well, to those who value actual facts over such informative posts like "OMG, it's great."
 
Originally Posted By: Trajan
To lose Doug, with his vast knowledge, would be a loss for the board.

Well, to those who value actual facts over such informative posts like "OMG, it's great."


True but Doug also stated opinions too, based on his vast knowledge, years of experience, and observations. Not everything he stated was actual facts. I had many discussions with him via PM. I consider him a friend, "A respected member", as well as an asset to the board. Certainly someone I learned from! I'm pretty sure he used some products and might have even said OMG this is great.
 
Bamboooooooooo, oops too many o's, stop trolling please.


Originally Posted By: Bamboooo
...If 400 regular joes says Product-X is good, then I'll try it. I don't need an "expert" tribologico-whatever-ogist to tell me to put this or that in my car. It's worked for 40+ years! I don't have an "axe to grind"...



That's the saddest part about BITOG now. We have too many people, often new members, jumping from one bandwagon to another.
 
Originally Posted By: demarpaint
True but Doug also stated opinions too, based on his vast knowledge, years of experience, and observations. Not everything he stated was actual facts.


True, I glossed over that. But expert opinion carries a great deal of weight, and isn't the same as just "general opinion."
 
There is no doubt in my mind that DH knows more about oil, than I will ever know. I'm sure he knows alot about ALOT of things that I will ever know. That's who he is, that's what he does. He is, without question, one of the greatest, most knowledgeable assets here on BITOG. I understand that. But most of us don't need a super-intelligent scholar, with a P.H.D. in Tribology, to tell us what oil to put in our car. I mean, do you consult with a nuclear physicist when you turn on your microwave to heat up leftovers? I think not. I just don't see the relevance, that some people have, of considering DH for sainthood.
 
Originally Posted By: Bamboooo
Don't worry - The world of BITOG will still go on without him.



If sure Doug Hillary could get along just fine without BITOG too.
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Originally Posted By: Bamboooo
There is no doubt in my mind that DH knows more about oil, than I will ever know. I'm sure he knows alot about ALOT of things that I will ever know. That's who he is, that's what he does. He is, without question, one of the greatest, most knowledgeable assets here on BITOG. I understand that. But most of us don't need a super-intelligent scholar, with a P.H.D. in Tribology, to tell us what oil to put in our car. I mean, do you consult with a nuclear physicist when you turn on your microwave to heat up leftovers? I think not. I just don't see the relevance, that some people have, of considering DH for sainthood.


I find myself in violent agreement with this.
 
I come here to learn but to many a few quotes of fact sound like fairy tales as it counters their world of illusions no matter how absurd they are. Vehicles and oil can be quite the charged subject for some and their primal response to challenge facts can be discouraging for some.
 
Originally Posted By: Bamboooo
There is no doubt in my mind that DH knows more about oil, than I will ever know. I'm sure he knows alot about ALOT of things that I will ever know. That's who he is, that's what he does. He is, without question, one of the greatest, most knowledgeable assets here on BITOG. I understand that. But most of us don't need a super-intelligent scholar, with a P.H.D. in Tribology, to tell us what oil to put in our car. I mean, do you consult with a nuclear physicist when you turn on your microwave to heat up leftovers? I think not. I just don't see the relevance, that some people have, of considering DH for sainthood.


This is uncalled for, if you have a problem with Doug Hillary, then send him a PM.
 
Originally Posted By: Bayman


This is uncalled for, if you have a problem with Doug Hillary, then send him a PM.



LOL
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Originally Posted By: Bamboooo
There is no doubt in my mind that DH knows more about oil, than I will ever know. I'm sure he knows alot about ALOT of things that I will ever know. That's who he is, that's what he does. He is, without question, one of the greatest, most knowledgeable assets here on BITOG. I understand that. But most of us don't need a super-intelligent scholar, with a P.H.D. in Tribology, to tell us what oil to put in our car. I mean, do you consult with a nuclear physicist when you turn on your microwave to heat up leftovers? I think not. I just don't see the relevance, that some people have, of considering DH for sainthood.



Gotta say, the man makes a point. Well, if you skip the last sentence anyway..
 
Originally Posted By: greenaccord02
I don't know about anybody else but if there's any argument involving Doug Hillary, I'm on his side.


That is what I DON'T like about BITOG. People won't even open their minds when an "expert" speaks. It makes zero sense. "The Road to Abilene" baby. Group think at it's worst. It's like the followers of "The Chemist" at snowmobiles.
 
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