Where does XOM procure GTL used in its newer formulations?

[OVERKILL]

Originally Posted by camryrolla
If you want 100% GTL base oil, then go buy PP or PUP from Sopus. Why bother with M1, which may or may not contain GTL base. Exxon won't even publicly tell you whether they use GTL base or not. What the heck does M1's "Distillates, Heavy, C18-50, Branched, Cyclic and Linear" have to do with GTL base?


From a thread on the topic discussing M1 0w-40 FS, this is what used to be in the MSDS:

Originally Posted by OVERKILL

DISTILLATES (FISCHER - TROPSCH), HEAVY, C18-50 � BRANCHED, CYCLIC AND LINEAR 848301-69-9 40 - < 70% H304


Fischer-Tropsch indicates that this is GTL.

 

[DirectRejection]

Originally Posted by PimTac
Originally Posted by 53' Stude
I'm waiting for Gokhan to shed some light on this or OVERKILL

I'm sure the BBQ index will tell the story.


Bitog says...

Smell your oil.

 

[1JZ_E46]

Originally Posted by camryrolla
What the heck does M1's "Distillates, Heavy, C18-50, Branched, Cyclic and Linear" have to do with GTL base?


Don't mind the description, look up the CAS#. That's what indicates FT process (i.e. GTL).

 

[Gokhan]

Originally Posted by 53' Stude
I'm waiting for Gokhan to shed some light on this or OVERKILL

Exxon Mobil buys Shell's PurePlus GTL produced in the Pearl Plant in Qatar as far as I know.

 

[racin4ds]

Originally Posted by Gokhan
Originally Posted by 53' Stude
I'm waiting for Gokhan to shed some light on this or OVERKILL

Exxon Mobil buys Shell's PurePlus GTL produced in the Pearl Plant in Qatar as far as I know.



Ha! All you M1 fanboys that have hated on PP/PUP rejoice! Now thats irony!

 

[PimTac]

Originally Posted by racin4ds
Originally Posted by Gokhan
Originally Posted by 53' Stude
I'm waiting for Gokhan to shed some light on this or OVERKILL

Exxon Mobil buys Shell's PurePlus GTL produced in the Pearl Plant in Qatar as far as I know.



Ha! All you M1 fanboys that have hated on PP/PUP rejoice! Now thats irony!

So you believe everything you read?

 

[nthach]

Originally Posted by racin4ds
Originally Posted by Gokhan
Originally Posted by 53' Stude
I'm waiting for Gokhan to shed some light on this or OVERKILL

Exxon Mobil buys Shell's PurePlus GTL produced in the Pearl Plant in Qatar as far as I know.



Ha! All you M1 fanboys that have hated on PP/PUP rejoice! Now thats irony!

Well, Shell and XOM have been partners for additives - Infineum?

 

[Gokhan]

Shell is currently the only large-scale producer of GTL base oil, isn't it, owning three of the five existing GTL plants.

"There are currently five GTL plants operating globally, with capacities ranging from 2,700 barrels per day (bbl/d) to 140,000 bbl/d. Shell operates two in Malaysia and one in Qatar, Sasol operates one in South Africa, and the fifth is a joint venture between Sasol and Chevron in Qatar. One plant in Nigeria is currently under construction. Three plants in the United States—in Lake Charles, Louisiana; Karns City, Pennsylvania; and Ashtabula, Ohio—are proposed. Of these, only the Lake Charles facility is a large-scale GTL plant. In December 2013, Shell cancelled plans to build a large-scale GTL facility in Louisiana because of high estimated capital costs and market uncertainty regarding natural gas and petroleum product prices. The Annual Energy Outlook 2014 (AEO2014) Reference case projection does not include any large-scale GTL facilities in the United States through 2040. Other uses for available natural gas in industry, electric power generation, and exports of pipeline and liquefied natural gas are more economically attractive than GTL under AEO2014 Reference case facility cost assumptions and energy prices."

https://www.eia.gov/todayinenergy/detail.php?id=15071

The CAS number in Exxon Mobil MSDSs point to:

Shell GTL Base Oils linked to CAS number 848301-69-9:
- Qatar GTL QHVI 3
- Qatar GTL QHVI 4
- Qatar GTL QHVI 8

(Pearl) Qatar GTL = PurePlus GTL

https://www.shell.com/business-cust...duct-stewardship-lubes-gtl-base-oils.pdf

 

[buster]

So XOM is buying quantities of GTL from Shell, then blending in their PAO's for the M1 line. That would make sense.

 

[buster]

Code
Oil PAO GTL Group III POE AN



Mobil 1 0W-16 70-80 10-20 yes

Mobil 1 AFE 0W-30 10-20 20-30 30-40 yes

Mobil 1 AP 0W-20 60-70 yes

Mobil 1 AP 5W-20 10-20 yes

Mobil 1 AP 5w30 5-10 yes

Mobil 1 EP 0W-20 60-70 yes

Mobil 1 EP 10W-30 1-5 1-5 yes

Mobil 1 EP 5W-20 20-30 1-5 yes

Mobil 1 EP 5w30 20-30 yes

Mobil 1 EP HM 0W-20 5-10 yes

Mobil 1 EP HM 5W-20 5-10 yes

Mobil 1 EP HM 5w30 20-30 yes

Mobil 1 ESP Form. 0W-40 5-10 60-70 5-7 no

Mobil 1 FS 0W-40 10-20 50-60 5-8 no

Mobil 1 HM 0W-20 10-20 10-20 30-40 yes

Mobil 1 HM 10W-30 1-5 5-10 yes

Mobil 1 HM 10W-40 5-10 yes

Mobil 1 HM 5W-20 1-5 10-20 yes

Mobil 1 HM 5w30 5-10 yes

Mobil 1 TDT 5W-40 40-50 5-10 yes

Mobil 1 TP 0W-20 50-60 20-30 yes

Mobil 1 TP 5W-20 10-20 yes

Mobil 1 TP 5w30 5-10 yes

Mobil 1 vanilla 0W-20 30-40 10-20 30-40 yes

Mobil 1 vanilla 10W-30 1-5 5-10 yes

Mobil 1 vanilla 5W-20 40-50 1-5 yes

Mobil 1 vanilla 5w30 20-30 yes

Mobil 1â„¢ ESP x2 0W-20 20-30 50-6 6-8 no


Thanks to Gokhan for putting this together. Mobil 1 is primarily a PAO/GTL/AN formulation, with varying ratios of each depending on the grade.

 

[4WD]

Yes, they buy, swap, and trade - and in Doha get nudged by the government to make certain deals … You would be surprised how many companies are buying the EHC line from XOM now … they all do what keeps specs in line - and customers supplied … Don't forget Sasol GTL and SK Yubase GIII is sold all over the world too …

 

[buster]

True 4WD. But the MSDS do show that some grades are using a good slug of GTL. The latest AFE MSDS shows 60-70%.

 

[4WD]

I have no doubt where it comes from - one is a big PAO/AN/Ester producer and one is a big GTL producer. Sometimes we get immersed in the Walmart sold brands and are not thinking about how many of these companies want to beef up industrial lubricants too - with the right amount of the right stuff - even if you buy it …

 

[talest]

Originally Posted by 4WD
I have no doubt where it comes from - one is a big PAO/AN/Ester producer and one is a big GTL producer. Sometimes we get immersed in the Walmart sold brands and are not thinking about how many of these companies want to beef up industrial lubricants too - with the right amount of the right stuff - even if you buy it …


Walmart is pretty much the best place to buy motor oil.
I feel Amazon is the best place to get boutique brands that Walmart does not sell.
Go basically anywhere else outside of these two, surely with limited exception, or based on country or especially in a niche product like Mobil 1 5W-50 which does exist.. and you are likely over-paying. Walmart having lower price than part stores and other places sale prices kind of thing.

Not a fan-boy or particularly loyal to one brand, but the M1 formulations seem to be rather.. very good. I went with QSUD for previous OCI, ran what you will call Dino Oil before that, and still have not seen M1 AFE 0W-30 basically anywhere except perhaps NAPA, not that I was actively looking but it may have been there, when I went in there for some fuses.. Might add some to the stash as a top-up oil. Depends on price point for me. Primarily.

Group III+ good stuff, your off-the-shelf oil is probably this and is just that good before you get into exotics like a Group V . Question for this thread, is GTL Visom? Or is that dated 2013 information there

Quote
It's a very high quality Group III+ base oil that rivals PAO.


https://www.bobistheoilguy.com/foru...73879/re-what-is-mobil-visom#Post2873879

 

[4WD]

It's a slam dunk to buy oil at Walmart in small towns like mine. We do drive ~50 miles to Costco sometimes and I grab a six pack of quarts (on sale) to even things out …

 

[Gokhan]

Originally Posted by talest
Question for this thread, is GTL Visom? Or is that dated 2013 information there

No, Visom is Group III+ base oil made in UK by Exxon Mobil. Exxon Mobil does not make GTL base oil. Shell and Sasol are the only companies that make GTL base oil as far as I know.

Group III+ doesn't mean GTL. It means Group III base oil with higher VI than low-end Group III. Likewise, Group III++ has even higher VI and Group III+++ has even higher VI. GTL refers to the feedstock, in other words where the wax comes from, gas that is. Regular Group III uses oil-derived wax (slack wax) instead. The wax is later processed into base oil. GTL is also considered Group III because its VI is greater than 120.

 

[IndyFan]

Originally Posted by buster
Code
Oil PAO GTL Group III POE AN



Mobil 1 0W-16 70-80 10-20 yes

Mobil 1 AFE 0W-30 10-20 20-30 30-40 yes

Mobil 1 AP 0W-20 60-70 yes

Mobil 1 AP 5W-20 10-20 yes

Mobil 1 AP 5w30 5-10 yes

Mobil 1 EP 0W-20 60-70 yes

Mobil 1 EP 10W-30 1-5 1-5 yes

Mobil 1 EP 5W-20 20-30 1-5 yes

Mobil 1 EP 5w30 20-30 yes

Mobil 1 EP HM 0W-20 5-10 yes

Mobil 1 EP HM 5W-20 5-10 yes

Mobil 1 EP HM 5w30 20-30 yes

Mobil 1 ESP Form. 0W-40 5-10 60-70 5-7 no

Mobil 1 FS 0W-40 10-20 50-60 5-8 no

Mobil 1 HM 0W-20 10-20 10-20 30-40 yes

Mobil 1 HM 10W-30 1-5 5-10 yes

Mobil 1 HM 10W-40 5-10 yes

Mobil 1 HM 5W-20 1-5 10-20 yes

Mobil 1 HM 5w30 5-10 yes

Mobil 1 TDT 5W-40 40-50 5-10 yes

Mobil 1 TP 0W-20 50-60 20-30 yes

Mobil 1 TP 5W-20 10-20 yes

Mobil 1 TP 5w30 5-10 yes

Mobil 1 vanilla 0W-20 30-40 10-20 30-40 yes

Mobil 1 vanilla 10W-30 1-5 5-10 yes

Mobil 1 vanilla 5W-20 40-50 1-5 yes

Mobil 1 vanilla 5w30 20-30 yes

Mobil 1â„¢ ESP x2 0W-20 20-30 50-6 6-8 no


Thanks to Gokhan for putting this together. Mobil 1 is primarily a PAO/GTL/AN formulation, with varying ratios of each depending on the grade.


This chart shows "vanilla" M1 0w20. I've not seen that anywhere, including on the Mobil 1 website. Does that even exist? If so, where?

 

[Mr Nice]

Buster,

Thanks for posting that chart.

 

[buster]

Originally Posted by IndyFan
Originally Posted by buster
Code
Oil PAO GTL Group III POE AN



Mobil 1 0W-16 70-80 10-20 yes

Mobil 1 AFE 0W-30 10-20 20-30 30-40 yes

Mobil 1 AP 0W-20 60-70 yes

Mobil 1 AP 5W-20 10-20 yes

Mobil 1 AP 5w30 5-10 yes

Mobil 1 EP 0W-20 60-70 yes

Mobil 1 EP 10W-30 1-5 1-5 yes

Mobil 1 EP 5W-20 20-30 1-5 yes

Mobil 1 EP 5w30 20-30 yes

Mobil 1 EP HM 0W-20 5-10 yes

Mobil 1 EP HM 5W-20 5-10 yes

Mobil 1 EP HM 5w30 20-30 yes

Mobil 1 ESP Form. 0W-40 5-10 60-70 5-7 no

Mobil 1 FS 0W-40 10-20 50-60 5-8 no

Mobil 1 HM 0W-20 10-20 10-20 30-40 yes

Mobil 1 HM 10W-30 1-5 5-10 yes

Mobil 1 HM 10W-40 5-10 yes

Mobil 1 HM 5W-20 1-5 10-20 yes

Mobil 1 HM 5w30 5-10 yes

Mobil 1 TDT 5W-40 40-50 5-10 yes

Mobil 1 TP 0W-20 50-60 20-30 yes

Mobil 1 TP 5W-20 10-20 yes

Mobil 1 TP 5w30 5-10 yes

Mobil 1 vanilla 0W-20 30-40 10-20 30-40 yes

Mobil 1 vanilla 10W-30 1-5 5-10 yes

Mobil 1 vanilla 5W-20 40-50 1-5 yes

Mobil 1 vanilla 5w30 20-30 yes

Mobil 1â„¢ ESP x2 0W-20 20-30 50-6 6-8 no


Thanks to Gokhan for putting this together. Mobil 1 is primarily a PAO/GTL/AN formulation, with varying ratios of each depending on the grade.


This chart shows "vanilla" M1 0w20. I've not seen that anywhere, including on the Mobil 1 website. Does that even exist? If so, where?


Advanced Fuel Economy. It's now 60-70% GTL. Per latest MSDS.

 

[aquariuscsm]

So Mobil dropped the Visom group 3 base stocks in favor of GTL base stocks?