E-cores are OEM on GM trucks and the GM warranty for the power train is 5 years/100000 miles. They must think they are pretty good...
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Only because thats the currant design by champ for the AC Delco,GM don't know everything obviously...
Originally Posted By: endeavor to persevere
E-cores are OEM on GM trucks and the GM warranty for the power train is 5 years/100000 miles. They must think they are pretty good...
The only thing I can figure is the ecores webfors got were not made to spec, and didn't have the required amount of filkter pleats and surface area.
But still if they are sometimnes not made to spec, that is a problem that a metal center-tube filter could get away with. But you can't get away with it in an ecore.
E-cores are OEM on GM trucks and the GM warranty for the power train is 5 years/100000 miles. They must think they are pretty good...
The only thing I can figure is the ecores webfors got were not made to spec, and didn't have the required amount of filkter pleats and surface area.
But still if they are sometimnes not made to spec, that is a problem that a metal center-tube filter could get away with. But you can't get away with it in an ecore.
Originally Posted By: daman
Only because thats the currant design by champ for the AC Delco,GM don't know everything obviously...
Yeah...I guess GMs engineers got their degrees through home study courses..
Only because thats the currant design by champ for the AC Delco,GM don't know everything obviously...
Yeah...I guess GMs engineers got their degrees through home study courses..
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Originally Posted By: endeavor to persevere
E-cores are OEM on GM trucks and the GM warranty for the power train is 5 years/100000 miles. They must think they are pretty good...
Yeah we all know about GM quality LOL
Why did they go bankrupt again ?
E-cores are OEM on GM trucks and the GM warranty for the power train is 5 years/100000 miles. They must think they are pretty good...
Yeah we all know about GM quality LOL
Why did they go bankrupt again ?
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Originally Posted By: PRND3L
It's funny or sad, depending on one's perspective, to see Champ Labs ecores fall from grace as a BITOG darling in a couple of short years, much like A-RX, FP3000, SLOB, etc.
Not all of us were drinking the Kool-Aid
http://www.bobistheoilguy.com/forums/ubb...true#Post353640
It's funny or sad, depending on one's perspective, to see Champ Labs ecores fall from grace as a BITOG darling in a couple of short years, much like A-RX, FP3000, SLOB, etc.
Not all of us were drinking the Kool-Aid
http://www.bobistheoilguy.com/forums/ubb...true#Post353640
Originally Posted By: PRND3L
It's funny or sad, depending on one's perspective, to see Champ Labs ecores fall from grace as a BITOG darling in a couple of short years, much like A-RX, FP3000, SLOB, etc.
The consensus of the majority is usually always correct.
It's funny or sad, depending on one's perspective, to see Champ Labs ecores fall from grace as a BITOG darling in a couple of short years, much like A-RX, FP3000, SLOB, etc.
The consensus of the majority is usually always correct.
Originally Posted By: endeavor to persevere
Originally Posted By: daman
Only because thats the currant design by champ for the AC Delco,GM don't know everything obviously...
Yeah...I guess GMs engineers got their degrees through home study courses..
And how much time with alllll the other designs and testing they have to do they spend time on filter construction? not hardly i bet,they send specs in and go,I'm sure the testing department isn't funded much for filter performance.
Originally Posted By: daman
Only because thats the currant design by champ for the AC Delco,GM don't know everything obviously...
Yeah...I guess GMs engineers got their degrees through home study courses..
And how much time with alllll the other designs and testing they have to do they spend time on filter construction? not hardly i bet,they send specs in and go,I'm sure the testing department isn't funded much for filter performance.
Originally Posted By: endeavor to persevere
E-cores are OEM on GM trucks and the GM warranty for the power train is 5 years/100000 miles. They must think they are pretty good...
Dodge offered a Lifetime Powertrain warranty with Purolator made Mopar filters, they must think they are better.
E-cores are OEM on GM trucks and the GM warranty for the power train is 5 years/100000 miles. They must think they are pretty good...
Dodge offered a Lifetime Powertrain warranty with Purolator made Mopar filters, they must think they are better.
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Originally Posted By: endeavor to persevere
E-cores are OEM on GM trucks and the GM warranty for the power train is 5 years/100000 miles. They must think they are pretty good...
Dodge offered a Lifetime Powertrain warranty with Purolator made Mopar filters, they must think they are better.
There ya go GM take note and run a real filter!!!!
Originally Posted By: endeavor to persevere
E-cores are OEM on GM trucks and the GM warranty for the power train is 5 years/100000 miles. They must think they are pretty good...
Dodge offered a Lifetime Powertrain warranty with Purolator made Mopar filters, they must think they are better.
There ya go GM take note and run a real filter!!!!
Originally Posted By: daman
Originally Posted By: endeavor to persevere
Originally Posted By: daman
Only because thats the currant design by champ for the AC Delco,GM don't know everything obviously...
Yeah...I guess GMs engineers got their degrees through home study courses..
And how much time with alllll the other designs and testing they have to do they spend time on filter construction? not hardly i bet,they send specs in and go,I'm sure the testing department isn't funded much for filter performance.
So I guess the same can be said with their factory oil fills?
Originally Posted By: endeavor to persevere
Originally Posted By: daman
Only because thats the currant design by champ for the AC Delco,GM don't know everything obviously...
Yeah...I guess GMs engineers got their degrees through home study courses..
And how much time with alllll the other designs and testing they have to do they spend time on filter construction? not hardly i bet,they send specs in and go,I'm sure the testing department isn't funded much for filter performance.
So I guess the same can be said with their factory oil fills?
Originally Posted By: Bill in Utah
Originally Posted By: daman
Originally Posted By: endeavor to persevere
Originally Posted By: daman
Only because thats the currant design by champ for the AC Delco,GM don't know everything obviously...
Yeah...I guess GMs engineers got their degrees through home study courses..
And how much time with alllll the other designs and testing they have to do they spend time on filter construction? not hardly i bet,they send specs in and go,I'm sure the testing department isn't funded much for filter performance.
So I guess the same can be said with their factory oil fills?
that I'm sure had more testing involved,little more important then a filter desighn...Hey how ya doing bill long time so hear from ya, sup???
Originally Posted By: daman
Originally Posted By: endeavor to persevere
Originally Posted By: daman
Only because thats the currant design by champ for the AC Delco,GM don't know everything obviously...
Yeah...I guess GMs engineers got their degrees through home study courses..
And how much time with alllll the other designs and testing they have to do they spend time on filter construction? not hardly i bet,they send specs in and go,I'm sure the testing department isn't funded much for filter performance.
So I guess the same can be said with their factory oil fills?
that I'm sure had more testing involved,little more important then a filter desighn...Hey how ya doing bill long time so hear from ya, sup???
Originally Posted By: mechanicx
I think Champion Labs probably developed and tested the ecore, and apparently GM was satisfied with the testing, and probably did some of their own testing. I think maybe the bad ecores are ones not beinmg made to the original spec.
I agree it could be a manufacturing quality issue. You can make a drawing and a spec to create/build something perfect ... but if you don't build it to spec (bad manufacturing quality) then it's potentially junk.
There is a huge leap between designing it correctly and building it per those perfect design specs.
I think Champion Labs probably developed and tested the ecore, and apparently GM was satisfied with the testing, and probably did some of their own testing. I think maybe the bad ecores are ones not beinmg made to the original spec.
I agree it could be a manufacturing quality issue. You can make a drawing and a spec to create/build something perfect ... but if you don't build it to spec (bad manufacturing quality) then it's potentially junk.
There is a huge leap between designing it correctly and building it per those perfect design specs.
Originally Posted By: SuperBusa
There is a huge leap between designing it correctly and building it per those perfect design specs.
If it depended on the supporting plastic not having a single flaw, then it wasn't designed correctly.
A stamped and rolled mild steel perforated tube can be defective in many ways and still not fail catastrophically. It looks like the E-Core plastic support structure is susceptible to collapse if there is a nick or other flaw in the plastic structure.
I would like to see an independent failure analysis on the filter.
There is a huge leap between designing it correctly and building it per those perfect design specs.
If it depended on the supporting plastic not having a single flaw, then it wasn't designed correctly.
A stamped and rolled mild steel perforated tube can be defective in many ways and still not fail catastrophically. It looks like the E-Core plastic support structure is susceptible to collapse if there is a nick or other flaw in the plastic structure.
I would like to see an independent failure analysis on the filter.
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