What ethanol does during storage

[Warlord]

There has been a lot of discussion lately about the effects of ethanol in small equipment. This video demonstrates what people talk about when they say ethanol gums up carbs. Not even treating the E10 fuel saves it. Watch till the end to see how well canned fuel does. Pretty entertaining watch. I only wish he had found some E0 pump fuel to test as well.

 

[totegoat]

I couldn't watch much of the vid, how did the canned fuel do?

 

[johnD2]

I couldn't watch much of the vid, how did the canned fuel do?

The vp did very well. All others failed.

No arguments out of me. I'll continue buying non-ethanol as long as it's available , it's only about .50 cents more per gallon than ethanol , in my area.

 

[RyanY]

The teeth!

 

[Rat407]

Lawn equipment no ethanol. Vehicle that get driven daily, not an issue. We have several places here that supply ethanol free fuel. Sad part is the cost is anywhere from .40 cents to a $1.00 a gallon more than regular E10

 

[totegoat]

The vp did very well. All others failed.

No arguments out of me. I'll continue buying non-ethanol as long as it's available , it's only about .50 cents more per gallon than ethanol , in my area.

Curious if they tested Stihl premix?

 

[JohnnyG]

The vp did very well. All others failed.

No, all others didn't fail.
Stabil 360 seemed to work and at least a couple more.
Too many variables to make a conclusion, like where did all of the original fuel come from. Plus overdosing isn't a true test of the fuel preservative either.

 

[Zaedock]

The teeth!

The Human Mater. Not that I'm a looker either.

Nice test!

 

[tmorris1]

Lawn equipment no ethanol. Vehicle that get driven daily, not an issue. We have several places here that supply ethanol free fuel. Sad part is the cost is anywhere from .40 cents to a $1.00 a gallon more than regular E10

For the little bit that you burn in small engines it doesn't amount to much in the end. Especially if you value your time that it takes to fix and clean the carbs.

 

[benjy]

i recently read how ethanol blended fuels is even worse in a 2cycle mix like my chain saw, husqvarna recommends 90 or better octane + NO eathanol, + as noted use is minimal so i opt for non eathanol BUT my local ripper charges over $5 a gal, but its 93 octane!! pure gas will show suppliers in your area

 

[Warlord]

No, all others didn't fail.
Stabil 360 seemed to work and at least a couple more.
Too many variables to make a conclusion, like where did all of the original fuel come from. Plus overdosing isn't a true test of the fuel preservative either.

Stabil 360 was the only one that still ran without choke and the bowl was still full of crud. Just a matter of time till some of that crud blocks up the main circuit IMO. The k100 is about 6 months newer cause he realized 6 months into the experiment that he messed up when he originally mixed it and way overdosed it. All the others were mixed correctly. In his original video he says he went to his local gas station and filled 8 jerry cans with 87 and one with 93. The 10th of course running on VP canned fuel. He performed an ethanol test and found both the 87 and 93 to contain exactly 10 percent ethanol like the pump said it would. He has been starting them every few months and the 93 octane failed earlier on than this latest video. Not a perfect test but pretty good for youtube I’d say.

 

[wings&wheels]

I finally gave up on pump gas for OPE... TruFuel is great, but stupid expensive.

If you can, find a local airport and fill up w/ MoGas, 94UL or 100LL if the lead doesn't present a problem. $5-6/gallon.

 

[RazorsEdge]

I finally gave up on pump gas for OPE... TruFuel is great, but stupid expensive.

If you can, find a local airport and fill up w/ MoGas, 94UL or 100LL if the lead doesn't present a problem. $5-6/gallon.

That'll be the day,no way I'll be paying that much for fuel for a lawn tractor that more or less just sits because the weather is so d@mn hot the grass is in hibernation

 

[tmorris1]

There is a place 10 miles away that has VP race gas at pumps. Last year it was $9 a gallon for I think 105 or 110 octane. I hate to see what it is now. Smells great burning in a YZ250 though.

 

[blufeb95]

I recently decided to switch off of E10 pump gas, had to go to a small town, Middletown, Indiana , where they have an old school full service Marathon station still open, they sell 93 octane ethanol free gas, sucks that it's like $4/gal, but at least it's a lot cheaper than canned fuel.

 

[RDY4WAR]

I use the cheapest E10 87 pump gas I can find in all of my lawn equipment, have for 8+ years, and haven't had any issues from it. I don't see really cold weather though and my equipment doesn't just sit very much.

 

[RazorsEdge]

I use the cheapest E10 87 pump gas I can find in all of my lawn equipment, have for 8+ years, and haven't had any issues from it. I don't see really cold weather though and my equipment doesn't just sit very much.

That's what I've been using myself also with no issues.

 

[JohnnyG]

So, what exactly is the issue? Is it ethanol? Is it the base fuel of 87 or 93?
Is it that the fuel attracts moisture?
Is it additive compatibility?
Is it that the fuel bowl is made from cheap stamped steel?
Is it a problem with dissimilar metals causing interaction and corrosion?
Is it caustic catalyst carryover from the refining process?
I know that Ethanol in fuel can cause older plastics to swell and deteriorate, but I see no evidence of that in this video.
I'm just asking what EXACTLY is the issue.

 

[RDY4WAR]

I've seen issues with that from older, carbureted engines, but the problem is usually clogging from the fuel tank and filter. Years of gradual sediment accrual in the tank gets dissolved by the ethanol and sent through the fuel system. In classic cars where the fuel tank, lines, and carb internals are cleaned thoroughly or replaced prior to switching to E10 fuel, there haven't been any issues that I've personally seen. Keeping a full tank and having a well-sealed fuel system helps a lot also.

 

[Pablo]

So, what exactly is the issue? Is it ethanol? Is it the base fuel of 87 or 93?
Is it that the fuel attracts moisture?
Is it additive compatibility?
Is it that the fuel bowl is made from cheap stamped steel?
Is it a problem with dissimilar metals causing interaction and corrosion?
Is it caustic catalyst carryover from the refining process?
I know that Ethanol in fuel can cause older plastics to swell and deteriorate, but I see no evidence of that in this video.
I'm just asking what EXACTLY is the issue.

All of the above. What EXACTLY were they testing?

Yeah I couldn't get past 1:34, Put down the fake teef and terrible accents and cheesy suits.

I am NOT watching a 34:43 video to find out the results of a fairly non scientific test. Make a 10 minute video OR make a real detailed LONG video and START with a null hypothesis and what is being tested and the methodology - is this a series video? It's titled "Conclusion" - so 10-15 minutes tops.

DON'T GET ME WRONG. LOOKS LIKE IT MIGHT HAVE BEEN FUN. BUT COME ON MAN.