We are in Norway

[goblin]

I fully agree, EVs are not for everyone, and can be the best or the worst choice, just like any other vehicle or tool. No contest.

I was commenting in the "EV not good for evacuations" angle, which was absolutely true years ago, but is not that much the case anymore. It is however used as an argument against them to this day, which will result in comments.

I don't own an EV. It would however work great for me. It wouldn't have worked for me at all a few years ago, when I was living in an apartment building.

 

[SammyChevelleTypeS3]

I fully agree, EVs are not for everyone, and can be the best or the worst choice, just like any other vehicle or tool. No contest.

I was commenting in the "EV not good for evacuations" angle, which was absolutely true years ago, but is not that much the case anymore. It is however used as an argument against them to this day, which will result in comments.

I don't own an EV. It would however work great for me. It wouldn't have worked for me at all a few years ago, when I was living in an apartment building.

I enjoy your discussions. You and I , and many I have talks with about EVs are not that far apart believe it or not. If I lived in certain places, I would most likely own one myself. I do have issues with people trying to tell others what to do in their lives. (Not you. No one here , at least I don't think?)
I mean like our good old Uncle Sam and a bunch of rich people who donate money to politicians who are getting filthy rich while in office in DC off of anything they can manipulate for their favor and the lobbyists who should be banned. OOPs. Too much. No politics.

I keep trying to live up to a recent quote I heard but clearly have so far failed miserably:
"The good Lord gave me the ability to speak up. Just not the ability to keep quiet!"

 

[meep]

I have family in Norway, was there last year, probably will be next. The hotel breakfasts where I’ve stayed are a near spiritual experience. While I really don’t enjoy travel much, I am already excited for our next trip.

#norging!

 

[Snagglefoot]

Norway has fewer people than New York City but has a 2 Trillion dollar fund financed by oil earnings. Interesting to see the types of things they may come up with.

 

[SammyChevelleTypeS3]

Norway has fewer people than New York City but has a 2 Trillion dollar fund financed by oil earnings. Interesting to see the types of things they may come up with.

I bet they do not allow politicians to fund billions of their dollars to any and all sorts of totally un-needed organizations , programs and grant funds for all sorts of things the citizens of the USA mostly know nothing about. Not talking about FEMA and health care or the social programs that lots of American Citizens , poor and elderly depend on. All of the other strange things , recently discovered we have been funding.

 

[goblin]

You'd be surprised at the things they're funding.

 

[WeyounDS9]

You'd be surprised at the things they're funding.

Yes like "Did Dustborn Scam the Norwegian Goverment?" . "Culture" money or
Norwegian apologizes for the 'Worst Game ever made".

 

[Slick]

Specifically Oslo and now Bergen. Almost all taxi/Ubers are EV. Lots of Teslas, a few Toyota EVs. Norway gets about 97% of its electricity from hydroelectric plants.

This country is going GREEN.

Interesting and nice to have that much hydro power.
In my US Midwest area the source of electricity is as follows: coal 70 %; natural gas 12%; nuclear 10%, wind/solar/hydro combined 8%.

A few questions to the group with some of my information to allow comparisons

Wondering how the EV cost for energy are in Norway compared to what I pay in the US (midwest). I have both an EV and an ICE vehicle (three drivers in the household). We use our EV if in range of using our "at home" charger. We use our ICE vehicle if driving out of range for our EV.

Reason we use this strategy is due to the higher cost of electricity that is supplied by commercial chargers in our areas we travel. When using commercial chargers it is less expensive per mile to use our ICE vehicle. Our gasoline price in our area for a US gallon of 87 (R+M/2 octane) averages 3,00 USD.

1) Do most Norway EV owners charge at their residence or use commercial chargers?
I charge at my home with a level 2 charger up to a max supply rate of 11.5 Kw per hour. I can always completely recharge my EV battery overnight.

2). What is the average residential electric rate per kWh in Norway?

3). What are the cost per kWh if using commercial chargers in Norway?

We pay off peak (for night time charging) at home 0.17 USD for each kWh. If we have to use commercial chargers the cost of energy is much more than our home rate. Commercial chargers in our travel areas charge at Level 2 slow chargers (up to 11.5 kW rate per hour) 0.40 USD per each kWh. Commercial DC Fast Chargers up to 220 kW per hour charge 0.60 USD per kWh.

Trying to understand better the differences in energy cost between the two locations.

Note: We prefer to drive our EV but when our EV cost per mile exceeds the cost for our ICE vehicle we will take the lowest cost option. For us, if we can charge at home off peak hours the EV is the lower cost vehicle per mile with respect only to energy cost. If using commercial chargers, the ICE vehicle is the lower cost per mile vehicle.

Best regards

 

[KrisZ]

Norway has fewer people than New York City but has a 2 Trillion dollar fund financed by oil earnings. Interesting to see the types of things they may come up with.

Money sitting in a fund will not do anything, that’s why nothing comes out of Norway except oil.
But it does give the Norwegians a very good quality of life and a sense of security I suppose.
They still need to work and pays super high taxes though, so all of that money is for some future stuff?
What if it gets high jacked? This kind of pile I’m sure looks sweet to many, it could be just a matter of time before someone will try to dup the Norwegians into “investing” it into something. Or adopt a crazy spending spree.

 

[Snagglefoot]

Money sitting in a fund will not do anything, that’s why nothing comes out of Norway except oil.
But it does give the Norwegians a very good quality of life and a sense of security I suppose.
They still need to work and pays super high taxes though, so all of that money is for some future stuff?
What if it gets high jacked? This kind of pile I’m sure looks sweet to many, it could be just a matter of time before someone will try to dup the Norwegians into “investing” it into something. Or adopt a crazy spending spree.

The fund owns stakes in the 8,700 listed companies in 44 countries that comprise the FTSE Global All Cap Index, as a result it owns 1.5 % of listed stocks worldwide.

 

[SammyChevelleTypeS3]

Interesting and nice to have that much hydro power.
In my US Midwest area the source of electricity is as follows: coal 70 %; natural gas 12%; nuclear 10%, wind/solar/hydro combined 8%.

A few questions to the group with some of my information to allow comparisons

Wondering how the EV cost for energy are in Norway compared to what I pay in the US (midwest). I have both an EV and an ICE vehicle (three drivers in the household). We use our EV if in range of using our "at home" charger. We use our ICE vehicle if driving out of range for our EV.

Reason we use this strategy is due to the higher cost of electricity that is supplied by commercial chargers in our areas we travel. When using commercial chargers it is less expensive per mile to use our ICE vehicle. Our gasoline price in our area for a US gallon of 87 (R+M/2 octane) averages 3,00 USD.

1) Do most Norway EV owners charge at their residence or use commercial chargers?
I charge at my home with a level 2 charger up to a max supply rate of 11.5 Kw per hour. I can always completely recharge my EV battery overnight.

2). What is the average residential electric rate per kWh in Norway?

3). What are the cost per kWh if using commercial chargers in Norway?

We pay off peak (for night time charging) at home 0.17 USD for each kWh. If we have to use commercial chargers the cost of energy is much more than our home rate. Commercial chargers in our travel areas charge at Level 2 slow chargers (up to 11.5 kW rate per hour) 0.40 USD per each kWh. Commercial DC Fast Chargers up to 220 kW per hour charge 0.60 USD per kWh.

Trying to understand better the differences in energy cost between the two locations.

Note: We prefer to drive our EV but when our EV cost per mile exceeds the cost for our ICE vehicle we will take the lowest cost option. For us, if we can charge at home off peak hours the EV is the lower cost vehicle per mile with respect only to energy cost. If using commercial chargers, the ICE vehicle is the lower cost per mile vehicle.

Best regards

Thanks very much for sharing this.

 

[buster]

https://www.iea.org/reports/global-ev-outlook-2025/trends-in-electric-car-markets-2

 

[Marcozi]

Interesting and nice to have that much hydro power.
In my US Midwest area the source of electricity is as follows: coal 70 %; natural gas 12%; nuclear 10%, wind/solar/hydro combined 8%.

A few questions to the group with some of my information to allow comparisons

Wondering how the EV cost for energy are in Norway compared to what I pay in the US (midwest). I have both an EV and an ICE vehicle (three drivers in the household). We use our EV if in range of using our "at home" charger. We use our ICE vehicle if driving out of range for our EV.

Reason we use this strategy is due to the higher cost of electricity that is supplied by commercial chargers in our areas we travel. When using commercial chargers it is less expensive per mile to use our ICE vehicle. Our gasoline price in our area for a US gallon of 87 (R+M/2 octane) averages 3,00 USD.

1) Do most Norway EV owners charge at their residence or use commercial chargers?
I charge at my home with a level 2 charger up to a max supply rate of 11.5 Kw per hour. I can always completely recharge my EV battery overnight.

2). What is the average residential electric rate per kWh in Norway?

3). What are the cost per kWh if using commercial chargers in Norway?

We pay off peak (for night time charging) at home 0.17 USD for each kWh. If we have to use commercial chargers the cost of energy is much more than our home rate. Commercial chargers in our travel areas charge at Level 2 slow chargers (up to 11.5 kW rate per hour) 0.40 USD per each kWh. Commercial DC Fast Chargers up to 220 kW per hour charge 0.60 USD per kWh.

Trying to understand better the differences in energy cost between the two locations.

Note: We prefer to drive our EV but when our EV cost per mile exceeds the cost for our ICE vehicle we will take the lowest cost option. For us, if we can charge at home off peak hours the EV is the lower cost vehicle per mile with respect only to energy cost. If using commercial chargers, the ICE vehicle is the lower cost per mile vehicle.

Best regards

1. The typical household cost is about $0.17 kwh. Thats higher than i expected but that power has to be transmitted from tge hydro plants to the cities.

2. I haven't seen a lot of public chargers, but we haven't seen either Oslo or Bergen in toto.

 

[SammyChevelleTypeS3]

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https://www.iea.org/reports/global-ev-outlook-2025/trends-in-electric-car-markets-2

Well there seems to be one thing we should not be very happy about in the report. If I saw correctly , the majority of EVs in the total of the report are on the roads inside the Chinese mainland. Actually not good for any of us. Why? Many know the answer already. Because China now has to charge all of those millions of EVs. China is the country with one of the very worse records of pollution on our planet.
What/how are they going to get all of the electricity to keep those EVs moving from? I think the majority here @ BITOG already know the answer. They are going to charge them with all of the brand new coal fired power plants they are setting up all over China. They do not seem to care at all and are not strangled with the many regulations most of the rest of the world are trying to follow to keep air pollution down as much as we possibly can. China and India who have massive populations and giant economies with manufacturing facilities all across their countries do not ever make the environment a priority like most of the rest of industrialized countries do.

 

[goblin]

... China is the country with one of the very worse records of pollution on our planet.
...

This is true, however you can only consider this in its context...

- China building a bazillion EVs that they have to charge with "dirty" electricity = bad.

- Alternative: China building the same bazillion vehicles with internal combustion engines - very much worse.

- Ideal solution: China sticks to bicycles. Never build said bazillion vehicles. Issue: it was never an option.

 

[GrumpyCat]

When they have tried to evacuate the entirety of Houston in the past, gas stations ran out of gas. They now only evacuate the low lying areas ahead of hurricanes. And EVs use less energy sitting there and idling than a gas car does. It's a red herring.

Plus they miss the fact EV drivers do not refuel on ICE schedule. EV drivers plug in when they arrive home and charge to their selected level, commonly 80% of full battery capacity. As a result when such a weather emergency occurs the EV is already charged while ICE drivers either have whatever is in their tanks or they went to the gas stations and waited in line with others who are panic buying at the last minute.

As mentioned, an EV in panic traffic to get out of town uses less of it's capacity when idling in stopped traffic than an ICE. Even when running A/C or heat.

 

[Snagglefoot]

This is true, however you can only consider this in its context...

- China building a bazillion EVs that they have to charge with "dirty" electricity = bad.

- Alternative: China building the same bazillion vehicles with internal combustion engines - very much worse.

- Ideal solution: China sticks to bicycles. Never build said bazillion vehicles. Issue: it was never an option.

China has thirty nuclear reactors currently under construction. Gretzky said to skate to where the puck is headed, not where it currently is.

 

[KrisZ]

As mentioned, an EV in panic traffic to get out of town uses less of it's capacity when idling in stopped traffic than an ICE. Even when running A/C or heat.

I don’t know about that, using less energy vs how long that energy lasts you are two different things.

My minivan can drive non stop for approximately 7-8 hours and around 750km (460miles), I can idle it for a very long time from a full tank of gas, even if I were stupid with it, which I wouldn’t. I would shut down the engine if the traffic wasn’t moving and I would roll down the windows instead of blasting the AC, all to preserve as much gas as possible.

Many trucks and SUVs have a 500 mile range or more, they can easily outlast most, probably all EVs.

Even if I compare my minivan to my Toyota CH-R, which is a lot more fuel efficient, I’d rather take the minivan in this scenario because my Toyota only has a 350mile range gas tank.

 

[JeffKeryk]

I don’t know about that, using less energy vs how long that energy lasts you are two different things.

My minivan can drive non stop for approximately 7-8 hours and around 750km (460miles), I can idle it for a very long time from a full tank of gas, even if I were stupid with it, which I wouldn’t. I would shut down the engine if the traffic wasn’t moving and I would roll down the windows instead of blasting the AC, all to preserve as much gas as possible.

Many trucks and SUVs have a 500 mile range or more, they can easily outlast most, probably all EVs.

Even if I compare my minivan to my Toyota CH-R, which is a lot more fuel efficient, I’d rather take the minivan in this scenario because my Toyota only has a 350mile range gas tank.

That assumes you start every day with a full tank, right?

 

[goblin]

I don’t know about that, using less energy vs how long that energy lasts you are two different things.

has a 350mile range gas tank.

I think both your truck, your Toyota and an EV will be OK in an evacuation, provided you planned ahead. If you have to evacuate further than 250 miles, you're in a whole different paradigm.

The thing is that if you have to idle for any reason, mandatorily, say - to maintain temperature for a sick person or - extreme case - to provide 110v on the car's outlet because you had to grab the neighbor and his oxygen machine last minute when he stopped you on the way out with his last bottle running low and told you he has nowhere to go - the EV will not perform worse. And is likely to do better.

Again - this is not to argue which is better - on the contrary, it's to state that the type of vehicle, at the end, play much less than preparedness and planning.

If one has to go completely cartoonish, a little honda generator will charge your EV at around 3 miles of range per hour, which could be your speed in gridlock anyway. It is not a solution, it's not elegant, but we're talking emergency.

Now, if we take the other extreme - your neighbor's wife has to evacuate and nice as you are you give her your fully gassed car or your fully charged EV while you leave in your boat or something, and she's completely oblivious to the risks and needs to travel in style at 72 degrees because otherwise her makeup will melt, and she gets in that gridlock - she might go further in an EV. Not that she'll deserve to