VW PASSAT 2013 TDI

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Originally Posted By: friendly_jacek
Originally Posted By: DuckRyder
Originally Posted By: friendly_jacek
Originally Posted By: Grambo
Does anyone Have the Turbo Diesel Passat as you know times are tough for me and fuel economy are top priority.


If fuel economy is the priority, i would look elsewhere.
The real world numbers are awful: http://www.fuelly.com/car/volkswagen/jetta/diesel


Nice try wrong car to start with...


Good point, fixed here: http://www.fuelly.com/car/volkswagen/passat/diesel l4


Dont really see how 40 MPG (which likely includes a lot of city) is bad...

My brother gets around 50 in DC traffic, so there is some "how you drive it" aspect to it.
 
Well, like the OP said in the 1st post, times are tough for me right now, so I think i'm gonna trade in my truck on a new Lamborghini Aventador. I'm only going to get the base model one, so as to maximize my savings. I figure with less content, it surely weigh less & with how much driving I do, I figure this will pay off in the long run. Plus, it comes with a warranty! What do you fellas think?
 
Originally Posted By: Grambo
why not have the piece of mind of of vw warranty.


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Spoken by someone who's never had to darken the doorstep of a VW stealership's disservice department, like a babe in the woods.

My 2¢, having owned two VWs recently: the only thing a VW Warranty will ever get you - at best - is having one of the stealership troglodytes bashing on it with a dull screwdriver and a rock.

Fortunately for you, the new Passats have been largely trouble-free aside from the looming HPFP issue (which may or may not be solved).
 
I know we are in "leasing is bad, never lease" territory with a strong dose of "pay cash, buy used drive forever" world.

Truly though there are situations that it can make sense and we don't know why the OPs wife racks up the miles... (real estate, sales, needs to carry clients?) Also miles on a lease are cheaper up front.

When you can borrow money on a new car at 0%-1.9% it is quite possible that any liquid assets could be put to better use. (like high interest debt)

I would not put my wife in any $4000.00 Civic I have seen for that kind of mileage. BTW where are all of these alleged $4000.00 civics, because ours is still worth about 8000.00 and it is a base model...

At any rate, a Passat TDI is not what I would consider an expensive car and it will get very good mileage for the size of the vehicle. I imagine one can be leased for a good deal less than a G37 and it will get better mileage so there IS a savings. "Times are tough" is all relative too... I mean are they digging in the sofa for lunch money tough or are they I'd like to reduce my monthly cost of living a few hundred bucks tough?
 
Originally Posted By: JHZR2
Originally Posted By: friendly_jacek
Originally Posted By: DuckRyder
Originally Posted By: friendly_jacek
Grambo said:
Does anyone Have the Turbo Diesel Passat as you know times are tough for me and fuel economy are top priority.


Nice try wrong car to start with...


This is Exactly what im saying the g37x is 500$ a month which 18 mpg secondly if i wanted to downg grade i would get the jetta tdi

Good point, fixed here: http://www.fuelly.com/car/volkswagen/passat/diesel l4


Dont really see how 40 MPG (which likely includes a lot of city) is bad...

My brother gets around 50 in DC traffic, so there is some "how you drive it" aspect to it.



This is Exactly what im saying the g37x is 500$ a month which 18 mpg secondly if i wanted to downg grade i would get the jetta tdi if i wanted i civic i would get beater civic. I think you should take a look at this http://forums.tdiclub.com/showthread.php?t=336456&page=26
Click to expand...
 
Originally Posted By: JHZR2

Dont really see how 40 MPG (which likely includes a lot of city) is bad...

My brother gets around 50 in DC traffic, so there is some "how you drive it" aspect to it.


My point is there are cars that are cheaper to buy and maintain that get better MPG results in real world. Keep in mind that the OP said fuel efficiency is TOP priority.
 
Saying that "times are tough" when there are people reading this actually going through tough times is absurd. The TDI isn't a G37, but it also isn't a brand new Versa, Civic, or any other car that costs $10k less.

As my mom used to say to me when I was a smart-alec young boy: it's not what you say, but how you say it. The fact that he's talking about a new car at all in "tough times" is just plain silly, especially with many models, including higher-end models, lasting for many trouble-free years/miles. There is a major difference between brand new and a beater; it's not one or the other...

I'll stop posting, since I don't really have anything else for the OP.
 
Originally Posted By: DuckRyder
I know we are in "leasing is bad, never lease" territory with a strong dose of "pay cash, buy used drive forever" world.

Truly though there are situations that it can make sense and we don't know why the OPs wife racks up the miles... (real estate, sales, needs to carry clients?) Also miles on a lease are cheaper up front.

When you can borrow money on a new car at 0%-1.9% it is quite possible that any liquid assets could be put to better use. (like high interest debt)

I would not put my wife in any $4000.00 Civic I have seen for that kind of mileage. BTW where are all of these alleged $4000.00 civics, because ours is still worth about 8000.00 and it is a base model...

At any rate, a Passat TDI is not what I would consider an expensive car and it will get very good mileage for the size of the vehicle. I imagine one can be leased for a good deal less than a G37 and it will get better mileage so there IS a savings. "Times are tough" is all relative too... I mean are they digging in the sofa for lunch money tough or are they I'd like to reduce my monthly cost of living a few hundred bucks tough?


Thank you robert, for seeing things on a similar wavelength
 
Originally Posted By: Grambo
Originally Posted By: DuckRyder
I know we are in "leasing is bad, never lease" territory with a strong dose of "pay cash, buy used drive forever" world.

Truly though there are situations that it can make sense and we don't know why the OPs wife racks up the miles... (real estate, sales, needs to carry clients?) Also miles on a lease are cheaper up front.

When you can borrow money on a new car at 0%-1.9% it is quite possible that any liquid assets could be put to better use. (like high interest debt)

I would not put my wife in any $4000.00 Civic I have seen for that kind of mileage. BTW where are all of these alleged $4000.00 civics, because ours is still worth about 8000.00 and it is a base model...

At any rate, a Passat TDI is not what I would consider an expensive car and it will get very good mileage for the size of the vehicle. I imagine one can be leased for a good deal less than a G37 and it will get better mileage so there IS a savings. "Times are tough" is all relative too... I mean are they digging in the sofa for lunch money tough or are they I'd like to reduce my monthly cost of living a few hundred bucks tough?


Thank you robert, for seeing things on a similar wavelength, How do you like your Jetta Tdi and hows the MPG.
 
Originally Posted By: Grambo
... How do you like your Jetta Tdi and hows the MPG.


I like it an awful lot it has given us no problems and it gets as high as 48 on the highway and still manages 30's around town in short trips.
 
If you like leasing, you can still lease something like a new Civic or Focus or Cruze and likely save a lot of money in the long run over a Passat TDI. Witness Sciphi's excellent mileage with his Cruze.

True, those cars aren't as "nice" as a new Passat. I guess it just depends on how tough the times really are.
 
Originally Posted By: DuckRyder
Originally Posted By: Grambo
... How do you like your Jetta Tdi and hows the MPG.


I like it an awful lot it has given us no problems and it gets as high as 48 on the highway and still manages 30's around town in short trips.


What Trim Do You Have Your Jetta Tdi In? Is It Standard Or DSG
 
Originally Posted By: Hokiefyd
If you like leasing, you can still lease something like a new Civic or Focus or Cruze and likely save a lot of money in the long run over a Passat TDI. Witness Sciphi's excellent mileage with his Cruze.

True, those cars aren't as "nice" as a new Passat. I guess it just depends on how tough the times really are.


In 31k miles I've averaged 44 mpg with my Cruze Eco. Then again, it is a stick-shift, and I do mostly highway driving. Although that's changing with a new job. I've had several 50 mpg tanks, and have seen 55 mpg on several long highway trips.

I looked at a Jetta or Passat TDI, and decided against them because of the HPFP issue, VW's traditionally horrible customer service, GM's known reliability with small turbocharged engines, being able to get a Cruze for $20k out the door instead of at least $25k for a Jetta TDI, cheaper parts since GM's sold 500k+ Cruzes so far, the Cruze having a timing chain instead of the TDI's belt, and diesel being insanely priced in the Northeast.

Add in that the Cruze is just as nice inside as a Jetta, and I really couldn't justify paying more for a less-reliable car that ran on a more expensive fuel that needs more expensive parts more often.

I'd give gasoline-powered "compact" and "midsize" sedans a look, too. Many "compact" sedans can easily break 40 mpg highway in real life, and can do it on cheaper fuels without the maintenance requirements of a TDI.
 
Originally Posted By: Grambo

What Trim Do You Have Your Jetta Tdi In? Is It Standard Or DSG


It is a base model DSG with the port installed "protection package [spoiler, mats, cargo mat and blocks]". There were basically none available without the protection package and I liked the spoiler anyway. When we purchased you could buy them all day long for about invoice.

I realize it is no small issue to those that have had a HPFP failure, but it isn't a huge number compared to the TDI's sold. It also isn't an exclusive TDI issue, BMW [others?] has also had problems with the Bosch pumps.

Even though they are larger and heavier than a Jetta, the Passats are returning better economy numbers generally because of the Ad Blue. I'm also quite sure ours could return higher numbers. My daughter is the primary driver and she just drives it like a normal car.

I'm sure you know scheduled maintenance is free for 3/36 (which amounts to 3 oil changes).

The VW 5 cylinder doesn't return stellar fuel economy numbers and I would not even consider the 2.0 4 cylinder in the base Jetta. It is possible however that the 1.8t will be available by June and that might be worth a look.

You have already found TDIClub so you'll already know owner satisfaction on TDI's is very high and that they also hold their value very well, which should contribute to good lease deals.
 
Okay, maybe I was too negative about the TDI. Hearing all about the HPFP's blowing up sure made me leery of one, though.
 
As you might know, I've tossed around buying a RAV4 lately. Some quick math and looking shows the following: I could buy brand new, at 0% APR, and it'll be 28k out the door (maybe 30k). I could buy a 2010 with 40-50k on the clock for around 20k; my credit union is showing 3.49% APR for 5 years IIRC. That works out to like $1,600 in interest over 5 years, versus zero for brand new. That is a whopping difference, inspite of having to pay interest! Not only that, but if I put say $2k down, financing only 18k, I'd be at $300/month (which is what we're currently saving for my car replacement). $28k, straight up on a loan, is like $467/month. Large differences.

I realize you are looking at different vehicles etc; but I'd like to point out that "new" at 0% is not necessarily cheaper than used at a moderate APR. As always, one must run the numbers. And I'd think a similar aged Camry would cost similar if not less; and that savings in money would easily offset the lower mpg's as compared to the uber-mpg of the VW.
 
Originally Posted By: Grambo
Does anyone Have the Turbo Diesel Passat as you know times are tough for me and fuel economy are top priority.


Originally Posted By: Grambo
Im Leasing It. Not buying it.


If times are indeed tough then they're tough because you're making huge financial mistakes such as leasing new cars rather than living within your means.

You need to exercise some financial restraint rather than throwing money away at a lease. The end result is that you'll make a monthly payment and have naught to show for it when you're done.

But by all means, if you wish times to continue to be “tough” then continue along the same path that made them that way.
 
Originally Posted By: Astro14
I don't think any new car makes sense based on fuel economy alone...I am not sure I understand what Grambo wants.


He obviously wants a 2013 Passat TDI and he's looking for reasons to buy it.
 
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