Vintage Frantz Install

[jimmyjamesndt]

Ralph Wood recently did a full flow filter durability test, 60k miles on a cellulose full flow filter, he said he started seeing more deposits than normal when he pulled the lid off his bypass filter, he said the pleats on the full flow were still together but starting to rot, replaced the cellulose full flow with a synthetic Wix xp. I believe the cellulose full flow was on there for 6 years. I see you change your full flow at 15k miles @ 1.5 years, I think you could easily double the change interval to 30k @ 3 years, if you wanted to.

 

[ripcord]

I had a Frantz on a 60s Falcon. I used single ply John Wayne style Scott brand toilet paper in it. It did keep the oil clean looking. I still changed the oil about once a year including a new full flow filter.

The orifice the oil came through was small enough that it didn't noticeably affect the oil pressure.

 

[jimmyjamesndt]

I had a Frantz on a 60s Falcon. I used single ply John Wayne style Scott brand toilet paper in it. It did keep the oil clean looking. I still changed the oil about once a year including a new full flow filter.

The orifice the oil came through was small enough that it didn't noticeably affect the oil pressure.

Those old 60's era engines sure dirtied up the oil a lot more than modern engines, looking at frantz literature from back in the day, they suggested 1 month change intervals in the winter months. That Falcon engine must have been pristine and clean inside.

 

[ripcord]

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Those old 60's era engines sure dirtied up the oil a lot more than modern engines, looking at frantz literature from back in the day, they suggested 1 month change intervals in the winter months. That Falcon engine must have been pristine and clean inside.

I just waited to change the TP roll until the filter body stopped getting hot after a drive so I knew the filter was plugged. It took thousands of miles for that to happen. When I said I changed once a year, I meant I changed the oil and full flow filter, not just the TP roll.

 

[jimmyjamesndt]

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I just waited to change the TP roll until the filter body stopped getting hot after a drive so I knew the filter was plugged. It took thousands of miles for that to happen. When I said I changed once a year, I meant I changed the oil and full flow filter, not just the TP roll.

That's how I read it, annual oil and full flow filter change. How many tp changes in that year?

 

[ripcord]

That's how I read it, annual oil and full flow filter change. How many tp changes in that year?

I would change the TP roll every couple thousand miles or when it stopped getting hot to the touch. The number of times a year was dependent on the number of miles driven.

 

[jimmyjamesndt]

Installing a first gen Frantz on a 2012 Ford Escape. View attachment 123435View attachment 123436

What are you using for hose and fittings on the Escape,? Sure looks good, brand? cost? I have only used 1/8" npt brass push lock fittings and 1/4" automotive green-line hose with 1/2" coiled hose protector from the local hydraulic hose shop.

 

[A310]

What are you using for hose and fittings on the Escape,? Sure looks good, brand? cost? I have only used 1/8" npt brass push lock fittings and 1/4" automotive green-line hose with 1/2" coiled hose protector from the local hydraulic hose shop.

They're 4an fittings and steel braided hoses, bought on ebay. I think the hose is 7/32" if I'm not mistaken. I use an and jic fittings for all fuel and oil lines, 10' of hose and fittings were around $45.00 USD.

 

[jimmyjamesndt]

They're 4an fittings and steel braided hoses, bought on ebay. I think the hose is 7/32" if I'm not mistaken. I use an and jic fittings for all fuel and oil lines, 10' of hose and fittings were around $45.00 USD.

That sounds reasonable for cost, I looked into it a bit and it would require jic to npt fittings, all my flare fittings are sae. I use a lot of brass to do some interesting things like extensions, drain petcocks, shut off valves, pressure gauges. I like the look of your hose though, but I am sitting on a lot of brass and push lock hose!

 

[Number_35]

I have an old Frantz system sitting unused in the garage. I wish more modern vehicles had room under the hood to accommodate same.

 

[jimmyjamesndt]

I have an old Frantz system sitting unused in the garage. I wish more modern vehicles had room under the hood to accommodate same.

You have to look into areas other than under the hood, behind front bumpers, between rad support and grille cavities, wheel wells, it doesn't hurt if the hoses end up being 6 feet long or even more.

 

[ripcord]

You have to look into areas other than under the hood, behind front bumpers, between rad support and grille cavities, wheel wells, it doesn't hurt if the hoses end up being 6 feet long or even more.

It needs to be at least somewhat easy to access, though, as you have to be able swap out the TP roll without making a huge mess.

 

[SubieRubyRoo]

Yes !

And the crappy jokes just keep getting deeper…

 

[RalphPWood]

He doesn’t ever have to drain the oil again.
He doesn’t need to spend as much on oil and filters as often.
His oil will stay cleaner than new out of the jug.
He can take the bypass system off to use again when he sales or scraps the car.
Even if he did pay the new price for it it’s worth it.

Everything I own with an oil pump has a toilet paper filter including the riding lawn mowers.Started with a Frantz and Delo on my Rambler American in 1963. I went with the better designed top loaders. I have Motor Guards Gulf Coasts a Australian Jackmaster Classic and a flat head Ford V8 canister filter adapted to use Scott 1000. It has half a roll of VIVA paper towels in it now. I normally dont drain oil.

 

[RalphPWood]

My only issue with TP is the lack of consistency between brands these days and some that are designed to disintegrate easier.. ( Septic Safe ) ?? I am by no means saying it can never work or that there are not success stories my issue is I have seen modern TP Degrade in an old VW application before with my own eyes basically turning into an oil/fiber sludge in the housing ( I have no idea what brand or mileage customer was using ) ... I am not trying to discount the entire idea or run scientific tests as it does not interest me to use on any of my fleet but I do know that Frantz sells some good looking media and if I were to install one of those systems on my vehicle I would use one of them...

Lots of bs stories about toilet paper filters.They come with toilet paper filters. Dont know of any paper that breaks down in motor oil. When I met my second wife she had just got her Beetle out of the shop. They told her since the beetle had no filter she should come in for an oil change every 1500 miles. I put a Motor Guard on it and told her I would take care of it. The Motor Guard filtered from the bottom up. Had to tilt it so the big metal The beetles needed continwouldnt go back to the engine at shut down. Frantz recommended putting the Frantz upside down. On the beetle. At about 155.000 miles traded it for a 64 Malibu convertable. The guy wanted a dune buggy. The beetles needed continuous clean oil and the valves kept adjusted.

 

[RalphPWood]

Yes sir, one of the best filters money can buy.

Not the best but the best known. I didnt find out about the Motor Guard until about 1965. The Frantz is a terrible design .There are a lot of good ones now. I like the Australian Jackmaster Classic. Havent used the other Jackmaster filters. Gulf Coast filters only does heavy duty diesels now. I liked the little Junior.

 

[A310]

Not the best but the best known. I didnt find out about the Motor Guard until about 1965. The Frantz is a terrible design .There are a lot of good ones now. I like the Australian Jackmaster Classic. Havent used the other Jackmaster filters. Gulf Coast filters only does heavy duty diesels now. I liked the little Junior.

I run both the M100 and Frantz, like both. I did try and find a Junior Gulf Coast, but never did.

 

[RalphPWood]

I run both the M100 and Frantz, like both. I did try and find a Junior Gulf Coast, but never did.

I have a few Gulf Coast Juniors in use. Mostly lawn mowers one on the F250 transmission and the hydraulic system on the Farmall tractor. They are glass filled nylon. The tube is about 1 3/8 inch. All it is for is to remove the wagon wheel and seal The element comes out with the wagon wheel. Basically the same as the Jackmaster Classic as far as cleaning. Not crazy about the Frantz opening at the bottom.

 

[RalphPWood]

He doesn’t ever have to drain the oil again.
He doesn’t need to spend as much on oil and filters as often.
His oil will stay cleaner than new out of the jug.
He can take the bypass system off to use again when he sales or scraps the car.
Even if he did pay the new price for it it’s worth it.

True. Ive used toilet paper filters since 1964. All I use now is top loaders. They can deal with the shorter paper and larger cores. Here in the Dallas Tx area the best paper is Great Value 1000 from Walmart or Scott 1000. The advantage of the Frantz paper is it fits the Frantz. Other than that its the same as Scott 1000. In the old days all we had was soft 2ply. 1 ply was loose wound. Virtually all of it had a 1 1/2 inch core. There were no Frantz elements. Toilet paper is worth
a lot more if its in a bag. 40 bucks and more.