videos of gas vs Lucas vs TCW3 burning difference

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I uploaded them and I think there are clear differences. The gasoline is regular 87 Shell and both additives were used in 1:500 concentration. I planned to also record Viscon (HMW PIB), but the sprayer died on me (gas eat the seal). Last night Viscon burned same or better as Lucas and I also recorded that but quality was poor due to low lighting.

Please tell me if you see a difference (I think there is but need unbiased opinion).

Thanks!

http://www.youtube.com/embed/hD10edu1ADg?hl=en&fs=1

http://www.youtube.com/embed/16mGdttAE-0?hl=en&fs=1

http://www.youtube.com/embed/eGK9IohEH90?hl=en&fs=1
 
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Originally Posted By: OldCowboy
What in the world do you think this proves????


I'm not trying to prove anything! Research is about curiosity and not about agendas. If you are not interested in watching those videos, I have no problem with that.
 
I think you should make a Molotov Cocktail with each formula.

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Originally Posted By: AstroTurf
I think perhaps separate tins of the three products burning side by side may be a better visual aid.

Thanks, Jim


Yea that would make it easier to spot the difference.
 
Well, the way polymers help with gasoline combustion is by decreasing droplet size and increasing droplet uniformity. Burning them in cans will likely show nothing as vapors will burn and oil will stay behind.
 
Originally Posted By: friendly_jacek
Well, the way polymers help with gasoline combustion is by decreasing droplet size and increasing droplet uniformity. Burning them in cans will likely show nothing as vapors will burn and oil will stay behind.


Thanks for that explanation. I watched the videos again. I do see a difference.

Thanks for posting, Jim
 
Originally Posted By: chevrofreak
I'm tired and may feel retarded for not being able to figure this out for myself, but what does HMW PIB mean?


The HMW part? No idea.
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PIB: polyisobutylene
 
Originally Posted By: chevrofreak
I'm tired and may feel retarded for not being able to figure this out for myself, but what does HMW PIB mean?


Sorry, high molecular weight polyisobutene, several megadaltons range.
 
OK, so far one poster said Lucas burns better and one person said TCW3 burns cleaner. I thought more people would chime in, but nevertheless this is my take as well.

I showed the videos to my wife and she saw no difference (I was not surprised). However, my son, who saw the videos without prior info about the experiments and who is an avid youtube watcher, set all three video running at the same time and he switched quickly between them and he notices a clear difference: gasoline burn is more explosive and dirty burning, lucas is much less explosive but also dirty burning, and TWC3 is the cleanest burning, with explosiveness somewhere in between.

This was actually easier for me figure out when I was doing the burns, as it was impossible to blow the candle with Lucas, even at the close range (see end of video), yet gasoline control blew the candle with ease. TCW3 was in between in that regard.

The difference in explosiveness is also clear when one pays attention to the sound difference at the beginning of videos, when the spraying distance is farther and mixture leaner. This probably accounts for the idle sound improvement people report with TCW3.

The last observation I made was during the video editing (only to crop the lengths). While using VirtualDub, I could examine each frame and measure burn times, gasoline burned in 0.5s on average while Lucas and TCW3 burned in 0.4s on average, which is surprising considering how gasoline burn starts with an explosion. The difference is in the last 0.1 sec when gasoline has a lot of red flames that turn into carbon soot last moment, while the additives burn mostly yellow/orange (high temp) with little residual red at the end, except for the last seconds of videos when I spray upclose to blow the candle and the mixtures are very rich. Looks like additives give more complete burn, that could possibly explain the MPG effects some people see.

Now, I'm curious how this compares to high octane gas. Need to buy new sprayer!
 
We need to enlist the mythbusters.

I saw no difference between them, but the Lucas seemed quieter?
 
Id say I liked the TCW3 the best.
Which TCW3 is it.
I just purchased one gallon of ashless Castrol Marine Super 2 stroke.
I noticed a lot and mean a lot of TCW3 is low ash not ashless.
 
Originally Posted By: JHZR2
It would be really interesting to do this with an airbrush...



Or a fuel-injector under high pressure being mixed in an open tube with compressed air.
 
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