America's transportation infastructure was based (and built) around the automobile, so there is no way of getting around the need for a car like in Europe, where their public transportation system offers the general public easier and more access.
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Originally Posted By: d00df00d
Originally Posted By: Mr_Incredible
The supply of oil is not currently in danger. The price of CHEAP oil is dead, but that's another story.
Disagree. Those two ideas are not separable. The price of oil is directly related to its supply, or what you might call its "effective supply" taking into account the ease of extracting it.
Supply and demand plays less of role in pricing than it used to. Pricing is more a result of manipilation by market speculators than it is supply and demand.
Originally Posted By: Mr_Incredible
The supply of oil is not currently in danger. The price of CHEAP oil is dead, but that's another story.
Disagree. Those two ideas are not separable. The price of oil is directly related to its supply, or what you might call its "effective supply" taking into account the ease of extracting it.
Supply and demand plays less of role in pricing than it used to. Pricing is more a result of manipilation by market speculators than it is supply and demand.
Originally Posted By: Jeepster_nut
America's transportation infastructure was based (and built) around the automobile, so there is no way of getting around the need for a car like in Europe, where their public transportation system offers the general public easier and more access.
Exactly, and changing our transportation structure won't happen overnight.
America's transportation infastructure was based (and built) around the automobile, so there is no way of getting around the need for a car like in Europe, where their public transportation system offers the general public easier and more access.
Exactly, and changing our transportation structure won't happen overnight.
Originally Posted By: grampi
Supply and demand plays less of role in pricing than it used to. Pricing is more a result of manipilation by market speculators than it is supply and demand.
...and the speculators are working with expected supply and expected demand.
Ultimately, the amount of oil left (or expected to be left) on this planet is still an important factor and, at least in theory if not in practice, a limiting one as well.
Supply and demand plays less of role in pricing than it used to. Pricing is more a result of manipilation by market speculators than it is supply and demand.
...and the speculators are working with expected supply and expected demand.
Ultimately, the amount of oil left (or expected to be left) on this planet is still an important factor and, at least in theory if not in practice, a limiting one as well.
Originally Posted By: d00df00d
Originally Posted By: grampi
Supply and demand plays less of role in pricing than it used to. Pricing is more a result of manipilation by market speculators than it is supply and demand.
...and the speculators are working with expected supply and expected demand.
No they aren't. They work by interjecting feelings into the market. They haven't based their specualtions on facts in years. In the last 2 years crude prices have gone from well below $100 per bbl, to $147 per bbl, to $40 per bbl, and now are back over $80 per bbl, while over the same time period supply nor demand saw nowhere's near that amount of change.
Originally Posted By: grampi
Supply and demand plays less of role in pricing than it used to. Pricing is more a result of manipilation by market speculators than it is supply and demand.
...and the speculators are working with expected supply and expected demand.
No they aren't. They work by interjecting feelings into the market. They haven't based their specualtions on facts in years. In the last 2 years crude prices have gone from well below $100 per bbl, to $147 per bbl, to $40 per bbl, and now are back over $80 per bbl, while over the same time period supply nor demand saw nowhere's near that amount of change.
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Originally Posted By: grampi
Originally Posted By: GROUCHO MARX
As was stated in the "Onion", most people don't need a car. Most people should take public transportation and lighten road congestion so that people like me can have a more pleasant driving experience.
There's no way around people needing cars. Public transportation just isn't available everywhere people live. And don't say to move into the cities where there is public transportation. If you want to put you and your's among the scummy murderers and rapists who live in the inner cities, be my guest. I'm not doing it....
It is a matter of people adjusting their lives to be less dependent on cards.
I lived for several years in Vancouver, British Columbia where I worked and lived downtown.
The car stayed parked underground all week while I walked about 10 minutes to work.
The car came out on the weekend for the trip for groceries. I could have avoided that trip had I shopped at a closer store but I wanted to operate the car at least once/week.
I could have sold the car and not missed it one bit.
It is all a matter of people adjusting their lives.
No, I did not live in a horrid neighbourhood. I had a great condo in a 30 story building right downtown and loved it.
Originally Posted By: GROUCHO MARX
As was stated in the "Onion", most people don't need a car. Most people should take public transportation and lighten road congestion so that people like me can have a more pleasant driving experience.
There's no way around people needing cars. Public transportation just isn't available everywhere people live. And don't say to move into the cities where there is public transportation. If you want to put you and your's among the scummy murderers and rapists who live in the inner cities, be my guest. I'm not doing it....
It is a matter of people adjusting their lives to be less dependent on cards.
I lived for several years in Vancouver, British Columbia where I worked and lived downtown.
The car stayed parked underground all week while I walked about 10 minutes to work.
The car came out on the weekend for the trip for groceries. I could have avoided that trip had I shopped at a closer store but I wanted to operate the car at least once/week.
I could have sold the car and not missed it one bit.
It is all a matter of people adjusting their lives.
No, I did not live in a horrid neighbourhood. I had a great condo in a 30 story building right downtown and loved it.
Originally Posted By: Paul56
Originally Posted By: grampi
Originally Posted By: GROUCHO MARX
As was stated in the "Onion", most people don't need a car. Most people should take public transportation and lighten road congestion so that people like me can have a more pleasant driving experience.
There's no way around people needing cars. Public transportation just isn't available everywhere people live. And don't say to move into the cities where there is public transportation. If you want to put you and your's among the scummy murderers and rapists who live in the inner cities, be my guest. I'm not doing it....
It is a matter of people adjusting their lives to be less dependent on cards.
I lived for several years in Vancouver, British Columbia where I worked and lived downtown.
The car stayed parked underground all week while I walked about 10 minutes to work.
The car came out on the weekend for the trip for groceries. I could have avoided that trip had I shopped at a closer store but I wanted to operate the car at least once/week.
I could have sold the car and not missed it one bit.
It is all a matter of people adjusting their lives.
No, I did not live in a horrid neighbourhood. I had a great condo in a 30 story building right downtown and loved it.
That's not how it works here in America. If you live in the inner cities here, you expose yourself to violent crimes. Period. If you want to live in a safe neighborhood, you either live in the burbs, or out in the country. Both require the use of a car.
Originally Posted By: grampi
Originally Posted By: GROUCHO MARX
As was stated in the "Onion", most people don't need a car. Most people should take public transportation and lighten road congestion so that people like me can have a more pleasant driving experience.
There's no way around people needing cars. Public transportation just isn't available everywhere people live. And don't say to move into the cities where there is public transportation. If you want to put you and your's among the scummy murderers and rapists who live in the inner cities, be my guest. I'm not doing it....
It is a matter of people adjusting their lives to be less dependent on cards.
I lived for several years in Vancouver, British Columbia where I worked and lived downtown.
The car stayed parked underground all week while I walked about 10 minutes to work.
The car came out on the weekend for the trip for groceries. I could have avoided that trip had I shopped at a closer store but I wanted to operate the car at least once/week.
I could have sold the car and not missed it one bit.
It is all a matter of people adjusting their lives.
No, I did not live in a horrid neighbourhood. I had a great condo in a 30 story building right downtown and loved it.
That's not how it works here in America. If you live in the inner cities here, you expose yourself to violent crimes. Period. If you want to live in a safe neighborhood, you either live in the burbs, or out in the country. Both require the use of a car.
I will gladly have the headaches of owning a vehicle just to have the ability of not needing public transportation and being able to drive to whereever I want when I want. I could not handle living in a city, I like living in a rural setting with lots of land. I have a 10 minit drive to work, so, Im not too worried about price increases in fuel.
It often seems people driving very large vehicles try driving them like smaller vehicles, and place themselves in situations that should have been foreseen. An example is following a car down a cloverleaf marked 25 mph at 45-50 mph. Your average compact car can handle that without breaking a sweat. Most SUV drivers need to hit the brakes after they realize they've gone in far too fast. This is far too common around here.
Please learn to drive your large car before putting yourself in a situation where somebody else's life is in danger. I learned to drive my large car, and how it would react in an emergency. Have you?
Please learn to drive your large car before putting yourself in a situation where somebody else's life is in danger. I learned to drive my large car, and how it would react in an emergency. Have you?
Originally Posted By: grampi
Originally Posted By: Paul56
Originally Posted By: grampi
Originally Posted By: GROUCHO MARX
As was stated in the "Onion", most people don't need a car. Most people should take public transportation and lighten road congestion so that people like me can have a more pleasant driving experience.
There's no way around people needing cars. Public transportation just isn't available everywhere people live. And don't say to move into the cities where there is public transportation. If you want to put you and your's among the scummy murderers and rapists who live in the inner cities, be my guest. I'm not doing it....
It is a matter of people adjusting their lives to be less dependent on cards.
I lived for several years in Vancouver, British Columbia where I worked and lived downtown.
The car stayed parked underground all week while I walked about 10 minutes to work.
The car came out on the weekend for the trip for groceries. I could have avoided that trip had I shopped at a closer store but I wanted to operate the car at least once/week.
I could have sold the car and not missed it one bit.
It is all a matter of people adjusting their lives.
No, I did not live in a horrid neighbourhood. I had a great condo in a 30 story building right downtown and loved it.
That's not how it works here in America. If you live in the inner cities here, you expose yourself to violent crimes. Period. If you want to live in a safe neighborhood, you either live in the burbs, or out in the country. Both require the use of a car.
Interesting.
I've spend time walking around the "downtown" areas of Atlanta, NYC, San Antonio, etc etc... and I'm still alive to speak about it.
Originally Posted By: Paul56
Originally Posted By: grampi
Originally Posted By: GROUCHO MARX
As was stated in the "Onion", most people don't need a car. Most people should take public transportation and lighten road congestion so that people like me can have a more pleasant driving experience.
There's no way around people needing cars. Public transportation just isn't available everywhere people live. And don't say to move into the cities where there is public transportation. If you want to put you and your's among the scummy murderers and rapists who live in the inner cities, be my guest. I'm not doing it....
It is a matter of people adjusting their lives to be less dependent on cards.
I lived for several years in Vancouver, British Columbia where I worked and lived downtown.
The car stayed parked underground all week while I walked about 10 minutes to work.
The car came out on the weekend for the trip for groceries. I could have avoided that trip had I shopped at a closer store but I wanted to operate the car at least once/week.
I could have sold the car and not missed it one bit.
It is all a matter of people adjusting their lives.
No, I did not live in a horrid neighbourhood. I had a great condo in a 30 story building right downtown and loved it.
That's not how it works here in America. If you live in the inner cities here, you expose yourself to violent crimes. Period. If you want to live in a safe neighborhood, you either live in the burbs, or out in the country. Both require the use of a car.
Interesting.
I've spend time walking around the "downtown" areas of Atlanta, NYC, San Antonio, etc etc... and I'm still alive to speak about it.
Originally Posted By: grampi
No they aren't. They work by interjecting feelings into the market. They haven't based their specualtions on facts in years. In the last 2 years crude prices have gone from well below $100 per bbl, to $147 per bbl, to $40 per bbl, and now are back over $80 per bbl, while over the same time period supply nor demand saw nowhere's near that amount of change.
So?
The fact that there isn't a one-to-one correspondence between their feelings and supply/demand doesn't mean supply/demand has nothing to do with it.
Do you think they're just pulling their numbers out of thin air or something?
No they aren't. They work by interjecting feelings into the market. They haven't based their specualtions on facts in years. In the last 2 years crude prices have gone from well below $100 per bbl, to $147 per bbl, to $40 per bbl, and now are back over $80 per bbl, while over the same time period supply nor demand saw nowhere's near that amount of change.
So?
The fact that there isn't a one-to-one correspondence between their feelings and supply/demand doesn't mean supply/demand has nothing to do with it.
Do you think they're just pulling their numbers out of thin air or something?
Originally Posted By: d00df00d
Originally Posted By: grampi
No they aren't. They work by interjecting feelings into the market. They haven't based their specualtions on facts in years. In the last 2 years crude prices have gone from well below $100 per bbl, to $147 per bbl, to $40 per bbl, and now are back over $80 per bbl, while over the same time period supply nor demand saw nowhere's near that amount of change.
So?
The fact that there isn't a one-to-one correspondence between their feelings and supply/demand doesn't mean supply/demand has nothing to do with it.
Do you think they're just pulling their numbers out of thin air or something?
I never said supply and demand have NOTHING to do with pricing, I said they have less to do with pricing than speculation does. And apparently they do pull numbers out of thin air because the supply and demand numbers don't support the wild price swings the market's been through over the last 2 years.
Originally Posted By: grampi
No they aren't. They work by interjecting feelings into the market. They haven't based their specualtions on facts in years. In the last 2 years crude prices have gone from well below $100 per bbl, to $147 per bbl, to $40 per bbl, and now are back over $80 per bbl, while over the same time period supply nor demand saw nowhere's near that amount of change.
So?
The fact that there isn't a one-to-one correspondence between their feelings and supply/demand doesn't mean supply/demand has nothing to do with it.
Do you think they're just pulling their numbers out of thin air or something?
I never said supply and demand have NOTHING to do with pricing, I said they have less to do with pricing than speculation does. And apparently they do pull numbers out of thin air because the supply and demand numbers don't support the wild price swings the market's been through over the last 2 years.
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Originally Posted By: Paul56
It is all a matter of people adjusting their lives.
No, I did not live in a horrid neighbourhood. I had a great condo in a 30 story building right downtown and loved it.
Forget crime, thats beside the point. Many of us feel like living in a small apartment, stacked one on top of the other like rats in a cage is "horrid" way to live.
It is all a matter of people adjusting their lives.
No, I did not live in a horrid neighbourhood. I had a great condo in a 30 story building right downtown and loved it.
Forget crime, thats beside the point. Many of us feel like living in a small apartment, stacked one on top of the other like rats in a cage is "horrid" way to live.
Originally Posted By: grampi
I never said supply and demand have NOTHING to do with pricing, I said they have less to do with pricing than speculation does. And apparently they do pull numbers out of thin air because the supply and demand numbers don't support the wild price swings the market's been through over the last 2 years.
But speculation, by definition, both is based on supply and demand and affects supply and demand. The two are intertwined. You're talking about them like they're entirely separate entities and they are not.
I never said supply and demand have NOTHING to do with pricing, I said they have less to do with pricing than speculation does. And apparently they do pull numbers out of thin air because the supply and demand numbers don't support the wild price swings the market's been through over the last 2 years.
But speculation, by definition, both is based on supply and demand and affects supply and demand. The two are intertwined. You're talking about them like they're entirely separate entities and they are not.
Originally Posted By: d00df00d
Originally Posted By: grampi
I never said supply and demand have NOTHING to do with pricing, I said they have less to do with pricing than speculation does. And apparently they do pull numbers out of thin air because the supply and demand numbers don't support the wild price swings the market's been through over the last 2 years.
But speculation, by definition, both is based on supply and demand and affects supply and demand. The two are intertwined. You're talking about them like they're entirely separate entities and they are not.
No, I'm saying speculators determine prices by manipulating the market and they use supply and demand as their guise.
Originally Posted By: grampi
I never said supply and demand have NOTHING to do with pricing, I said they have less to do with pricing than speculation does. And apparently they do pull numbers out of thin air because the supply and demand numbers don't support the wild price swings the market's been through over the last 2 years.
But speculation, by definition, both is based on supply and demand and affects supply and demand. The two are intertwined. You're talking about them like they're entirely separate entities and they are not.
No, I'm saying speculators determine prices by manipulating the market and they use supply and demand as their guise.
Heres the future.... http://content.usatoday.com/communities/...-hit-us-roads/1
Originally Posted By: willix
Heres the future.... http://content.usatoday.com/communities/...-hit-us-roads/1
Haha! Yea, until it gets hit by F-350
Heres the future.... http://content.usatoday.com/communities/...-hit-us-roads/1
Haha! Yea, until it gets hit by F-350
Originally Posted By: jetblacknismo
Originally Posted By: willix
Heres the future.... http://content.usatoday.com/communities/...-hit-us-roads/1
Haha! Yea, until it gets hit by F-350
F-350s will go the way of the dinosaurs unless they can find a way to make them get better MPGs....
Originally Posted By: willix
Heres the future.... http://content.usatoday.com/communities/...-hit-us-roads/1
Haha! Yea, until it gets hit by F-350
F-350s will go the way of the dinosaurs unless they can find a way to make them get better MPGs....
Originally Posted By: grampi
No, I'm saying speculators determine prices by manipulating the market and they use supply and demand as their guise.
So to you, they're just a bunch of people toying with the market for laughs? Or else some kind of conspiracy? Is that it?
No, I'm saying speculators determine prices by manipulating the market and they use supply and demand as their guise.
So to you, they're just a bunch of people toying with the market for laughs? Or else some kind of conspiracy? Is that it?
Originally Posted By: grampi
F-350s will go the way of the dinosaurs unless they can find a way to make them get better MPGs....
I doubt it. Pickup trucks are among the few vaguely utilitarian vehicles on the road. Ones like the F-350 might slightly diminish in popularity or become more expensive to own, but they will never go away.
F-350s will go the way of the dinosaurs unless they can find a way to make them get better MPGs....
I doubt it. Pickup trucks are among the few vaguely utilitarian vehicles on the road. Ones like the F-350 might slightly diminish in popularity or become more expensive to own, but they will never go away.
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