Valvoline's Response to Moly in Maxlife

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Originally Posted By: DragRace
Oilchanger

Did you ever pull the transmission and take it to a transmission shop to have it torn down for inspection?

Simple and to the point here.

IF you never had the transmission torn down for inspection as to why it failed,YOU have ZERO proof to blame it on the transmission fluid.
 
Originally Posted By: Oil Changer
I watched the fluid get poured in the bottles and sealed and handed directly to me. The previous oil was the FF which we all know does not have zinc.


I have posted multiple UOA's of DEXRON III-H factory fills. Each had zinc in the analysis.
 
Originally Posted By: dave1251
Originally Posted By: Oil Changer
I watched the fluid get poured in the bottles and sealed and handed directly to me. The previous oil was the FF which we all know does not have zinc.


I have posted multiple UOA's of DEXRON III-H factory fills. Each had zinc in the analysis.



BAM, theres your zinc! All this focus on zinc and no ACTUAL cause of failure. /thread
 
Originally Posted By: dave1251
Originally Posted By: Oil Changer
I watched the fluid get poured in the bottles and sealed and handed directly to me. The previous oil was the FF which we all know does not have zinc.


I have posted multiple UOA's of DEXRON III-H factory fills. Each had zinc in the analysis.


And many transmission services leave multiple quarts of old fluid in.

I had a 99 Astro for 12 years and never serviced the transmission, BUT I added a transmission cooler at about 35k. It still worked perfectly when I traded it at 122k. Wish I could have said that about the rest of the vehicle, but the engine/transmission seemed bullet proof on that thing.
 
As far as the factory gm manual stating an oci of 100,000miles, its quite possible they messed up when writing the manual. We find miss prints in our factory service manuals at work all the time. Some times service bulletins are even sent to us updating a correction made to them. Could be the owners manual is right and the service manual was wrong.
 
Anything but the fluid, right?

Originally Posted By: afoulk
As far as the factory gm manual stating an oci of 100,000miles, its quite possible they messed up when writing the manual. We find miss prints in our factory service manuals at work all the time. Some times service bulletins are even sent to us updating a correction made to them. Could be the owners manual is right and the service manual was wrong.
 
Way Better! The transmission was sent to GM's Powertrain Division. Part of the joy of me living so close to GM's world headquarters. After complete step-by-step teardown, careful measurement, and fluid analysis by GM's top drivetrain engineers, including some of the original members of the 4L60 design team, it was concluded that MaxJunk was the cause of the failure. Proof enough?

Originally Posted By: DragRace
Originally Posted By: DragRace
Oilchanger

Did you ever pull the transmission and take it to a transmission shop to have it torn down for inspection?

Simple and to the point here.

IF you never had the transmission torn down for inspection as to why it failed,YOU have ZERO proof to blame it on the transmission fluid.
 
Originally Posted By: Oil Changer
Way Better! The transmission was sent to GM's Powertrain Division. Part of the joy of me living so close to GM's world headquarters. After complete step-by-step teardown, careful measurement, and fluid analysis by GM's top drivetrain engineers, including some of the original members of the 4L60 design team, it was concluded that MaxJunk was the cause of the failure. Proof enough?


If is true. Do you have anything to share to confirm this?
 
Originally Posted By: antiqueshell
If Ashland would have done SOMETHING to make OilChanger reasonably whole he wouldn't be posting like he has. They screwed up.

That's a bold assumption.

Who is more likely to screw up?

A major manufacturer with automated production and QC processes
OR
A shade-tree mechanic?

Oil Changer serviced a transmission that has a reputation for being less than bullet proof. He may have installed the filter wrong. He may have underfilled it. He may have added Maxlife 10W-40 instead of ATF. He may have forgotten to fill it. Or maybe fate drew his card.

In any event, it is more likely Oil Changer is responsible for his problem than Ashland is.

His juvenile, trollish behavior only serves to destroy his credibility.
 
Originally Posted By: strat81
Oil Changer serviced a transmission that has a reputation for being less than bullet proof. He may have installed the filter wrong. He may have underfilled it. He may have added Maxlife 10W-40 instead of ATF. He may have forgotten to fill it. Or maybe fate drew his card.

In any event, it is more likely Oil Changer is responsible for his problem than Ashland is.

His juvenile, trollish behavior only serves to destroy his credibility.


Or maybe none of the above. How does anyone really know?
 
You're not dealing with reality. There is no "fact" that a fluid analysis found anything. There is no "fact" that the company suddenly ceased all communication with OilChanger. Just like there is no fact that there was any conversation whatsoever. And there is no "fact" that the fluid was defective nor that there was ever any fluid involved at any time.

None, nada, zip.

Originally Posted By: antiqueshell
I find it pretty cynical how all the Ashland fans try and
divert attention away from the FACT that the fluid analysis DEFINITELY found significant levels of zinc in a fluid Valvoline states has NO zinc whatsoever.

Following OilChanger's delivery of that fluid analysis to Ashland, the company suddenly ceased all communication with OilChanger.

It is pretty obvious that Ashland's legal department instructed the company to cease communication with the OP because of a
potential lawsuit. The reason any judge would find that the product was defective according to that legitimate analysis and it would require Ashland to compensate the owner of the vehicle.

My guess is that some zinc was added in error and set out the door due to an honest mistake and a gap in QC.

99.8% of the time I'm sure that MaxLife is a very good product, but this time it wasn't and was defective. It does happen.
 
Originally Posted By: BillyTheKid
How did this spin from oil to transmission fluid? This thing should be locked down.


Exactly what I was thinking.
The hijacked part is longer than the original discussion.
 
Originally Posted By: Oil Changer
Way Better! The transmission was sent to GM's Powertrain Division. Part of the joy of me living so close to GM's world headquarters. After complete step-by-step teardown, careful measurement, and fluid analysis by GM's top drivetrain engineers, including some of the original members of the 4L60 design team, it was concluded that MaxJunk was the cause of the failure. Proof enough?


First off,dont take me as a fool.I've been around engines and transmissions for YEARS.I've seen them both torn apart,and I've torn them apart.Careful measurement? Of what? Do you have any idea how your reply here makes you sound like a complete fool? I want to know WHAT part of the transmission failed! YOU STILL cannot provide that information.You've got no evidence whatsoever to prove anything against Valvoline is the cause.

I wasted enough of my time on your trolling posts.
 
Originally Posted By: BillyTheKid
How did this spin from oil to transmission fluid? This thing should be locked down.


Yup this thread needs to be locked,it's a complete waste of network bandwidth.
 
There's no proof that it was the fluid. In fact there's no proof there was any fluid at all, just as there's no proof there was a transmission or even a car for that matter. No proof of anything except the existence of an Internet account.

Originally Posted By: DragRace
Originally Posted By: Oil Changer
Way Better! The transmission was sent to GM's Powertrain Division. Part of the joy of me living so close to GM's world headquarters. After complete step-by-step teardown, careful measurement, and fluid analysis by GM's top drivetrain engineers, including some of the original members of the 4L60 design team, it was concluded that MaxJunk was the cause of the failure. Proof enough?

First off,dont take me as a fool.I've been around engines and transmissions for YEARS.I've seen them both torn apart,and I've torn them apart.Careful measurement? Of what? Do you have any idea how your reply here makes you sound like a complete fool? I want to know WHAT part of the transmission failed! YOU STILL cannot provide that information.You've got no evidence whatsoever to prove anything against Valvoline is the cause.

I wasted enough of my time on your trolling posts.
 
I find it funny that he thinks that anyone would believe that gm would care about one loudmouth with an 8 year old discontinued model vehicle with a transmission that they don't hardly use anymore.
 
Originally Posted By: DragRace


Yup this thread needs to be locked,it's a complete waste of network bandwidth.


Absolutely! Call it a mercy lock.
 
LOL! You're priceless. You're mad! How funny is that? I'll tell ya, too funny! I bet you feel empowered, ganging up with your fan boy buddies like it makes a difference to me. LOL! [That was me laughing at you again]

Originally Posted By: jhellwig
I find it funny that he thinks that anyone would believe that gm would care about one loudmouth with an 8 year old discontinued model vehicle with a transmission that they don't hardly use anymore.
 
Of course not. C'mon. The original thread has been linked and everything was explained/discussed in great detail. There was some good replies, read it if you haven't.

Originally Posted By: dave1251
Originally Posted By: Oil Changer
Way Better! The transmission was sent to GM's Powertrain Division. Part of the joy of me living so close to GM's world headquarters. After complete step-by-step teardown, careful measurement, and fluid analysis by GM's top drivetrain engineers, including some of the original members of the 4L60 design team, it was concluded that MaxJunk was the cause of the failure. Proof enough?


If is true. Do you have anything to share to confirm this?
 
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