The response of one phone tech from M1 is....questionable...
Valvoline vs Mobil 1 - Round 2
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Originally Posted By: Johnny
You should try the Amsoil 0W-20, it is really good oil.
I'm really leaning that way, sad truth is I just changed my oil about a week ago. Sometimes a company can benefit from this kind of p*.*s fight by sitting back and doing nothing. I think there are a lot of people that think like I do and because of the way this news hit would rather stay clear of both compaines. I see Pennzoil, Amsoil and a host of others gaining because of this. I bet they're licking their chops too!
The tone of Mobils reply just about put me over the top. I handled a lot of CS issues over the years, and they really dropped the ball with their reply.
Frank D
You should try the Amsoil 0W-20, it is really good oil.
I'm really leaning that way, sad truth is I just changed my oil about a week ago. Sometimes a company can benefit from this kind of p*.*s fight by sitting back and doing nothing. I think there are a lot of people that think like I do and because of the way this news hit would rather stay clear of both compaines. I see Pennzoil, Amsoil and a host of others gaining because of this. I bet they're licking their chops too!
The tone of Mobils reply just about put me over the top. I handled a lot of CS issues over the years, and they really dropped the ball with their reply.
Frank D
I know Mobil knows where this info is coming from. They are just beating around the bush. Ashland sent them the letter we are all talking about.
Mobil will not tell anyone there product dose not meet the Specs unless it is proven in the court of law. That may be why we are not seeing or hearing any thing from Mobil right now. If they do take this to law and they lose, they have some MAJOR problems on there hands like Class action lawsuits, Loseing ALL there OEM contracts, loseing a MAJOR cutomer base, ect. . . Perhaps Mobil is just going to keep quite redo there oil(it has not been at stores for a while) and pretend like nothing happen.
Mobil will not tell anyone there product dose not meet the Specs unless it is proven in the court of law. That may be why we are not seeing or hearing any thing from Mobil right now. If they do take this to law and they lose, they have some MAJOR problems on there hands like Class action lawsuits, Loseing ALL there OEM contracts, loseing a MAJOR cutomer base, ect. . . Perhaps Mobil is just going to keep quite redo there oil(it has not been at stores for a while) and pretend like nothing happen.
That could very well be, we have to see how this plays out. I have honestly lost a lot of respect for Mobil 1 oils today. It looks like Ashland's marketing is working on me anyway. But it won't get them any of my cash, I won't using any of their oil either.
Frank D
Frank D
demarpaint, why do you dislike Valvoline so much?
Yea I dont usally use Valvoline. But, Due to todays information, I would use Valvoline in my bronco and in my moms car.
I do not hold any "bad" feeling to Ashland for bringing this info out on the table. This is bold moves. If anything, I hold a bit more respect for Ashland and Valvline.(pending the allegations are true)
I do not hold any "bad" feeling to Ashland for bringing this info out on the table. This is bold moves. If anything, I hold a bit more respect for Ashland and Valvline.(pending the allegations are true)
Originally Posted By: Drew99GT
demarpaint, why do you dislike Valvoline so much?
Its been over 30 years so I'm a little fuzzy on it. IIRC I had a 72 Mustang 302, that had a lifter noise, and used oil (at least I thought it did). I bought the car used and in previous cars I used Valvoline oil so I tried it in the Mustang. Anyway for probably 10,000 miles it used about 1 qt/1000 miles. Being a little OCD as a kid it really bothered me. A local repair shop said I probably needed engine work because Valvoline was such a great oil I shouldn't be using so much. A friend told me to try Pennzoil, I did, lifter noise stopped oil use cut in half. Old memories die hard.
Frank D
demarpaint, why do you dislike Valvoline so much?
Its been over 30 years so I'm a little fuzzy on it. IIRC I had a 72 Mustang 302, that had a lifter noise, and used oil (at least I thought it did). I bought the car used and in previous cars I used Valvoline oil so I tried it in the Mustang. Anyway for probably 10,000 miles it used about 1 qt/1000 miles. Being a little OCD as a kid it really bothered me. A local repair shop said I probably needed engine work because Valvoline was such a great oil I shouldn't be using so much. A friend told me to try Pennzoil, I did, lifter noise stopped oil use cut in half. Old memories die hard.
Frank D
Here is a link outlining the test in question: http://www.swri.org/4ORG/D08/GasTests/iva.pdf (you will need Adobe Reader or some other PDF program)
If this were based on cold starting I would be more concerned, but most engines are in this temperature range for only a matter of 30 to 90 seconds while driving.
Looking at the list of specs for Mobil 1 in that grade it seems like it is more geared toward being a higher temperature engine oil. That may shed some light as to why it (quote) underperforms (unquote) on some tests. Call it the caveat of gaining in one area but losing some in another.
I have some leftover Mobil 1 5w30 in my closet that I was considering using once my fiance's Cobalt is due in a couple weeks. Honestly I don't think this will stop me from putting it in there because of the operating conditions of the test. I don't think I'll lose any sleep over it. :2cents:
If this were based on cold starting I would be more concerned, but most engines are in this temperature range for only a matter of 30 to 90 seconds while driving.
Looking at the list of specs for Mobil 1 in that grade it seems like it is more geared toward being a higher temperature engine oil. That may shed some light as to why it (quote) underperforms (unquote) on some tests. Call it the caveat of gaining in one area but losing some in another.
I have some leftover Mobil 1 5w30 in my closet that I was considering using once my fiance's Cobalt is due in a couple weeks. Honestly I don't think this will stop me from putting it in there because of the operating conditions of the test. I don't think I'll lose any sleep over it. :2cents:
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And it would, as the letter states, invalidate it's certifications for both Honda's HTO-06 and GM's 4718.
This is big. This is EPIC.
And Mobil has yet to reply to me.
This is big. This is EPIC.
And Mobil has yet to reply to me.
This is a huge strategic move by Ashland and well thought out. some of you act like Ashland has no legal counsel, just a few guys decided to do this?
I think they're playing off the public discontent with Exxon's record profits the past two years. They let XOM know and ran the tests, double, triple, zintuple-checked it. They found that it failed. After much strategizing and mental chess, they decided to do this. If they can lure some M1 users to switch to them, it will all pay off, legal fees included.
I think they're playing off the public discontent with Exxon's record profits the past two years. They let XOM know and ran the tests, double, triple, zintuple-checked it. They found that it failed. After much strategizing and mental chess, they decided to do this. If they can lure some M1 users to switch to them, it will all pay off, legal fees included.
Originally Posted By: OVERK1LL
And it would, as the letter states, invalidate it's certifications for both Honda's HTO-06 and GM's 4718.
This is big. This is EPIC.
And Mobil has yet to reply to me.
I wonder if you'll get the same response my brother got?
Frank D
And it would, as the letter states, invalidate it's certifications for both Honda's HTO-06 and GM's 4718.
This is big. This is EPIC.
And Mobil has yet to reply to me.
I wonder if you'll get the same response my brother got?
Frank D
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Originally Posted By: demarpaint
Originally Posted By: OVERK1LL
And it would, as the letter states, invalidate it's certifications for both Honda's HTO-06 and GM's 4718.
This is big. This is EPIC.
And Mobil has yet to reply to me.
I wonder if you'll get the same response my brother got?
Frank D
I hope not.
-Chris
Originally Posted By: OVERK1LL
And it would, as the letter states, invalidate it's certifications for both Honda's HTO-06 and GM's 4718.
This is big. This is EPIC.
And Mobil has yet to reply to me.
I wonder if you'll get the same response my brother got?
Frank D
I hope not.
-Chris
So....I have M1 0W20 and 0w30 "green cap" for the next two changes....are these better than the 5w30 M1 "engine death oil"?
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