Valvoline synpower Low quality like Napa syn?

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They're not the same. Maybe about as similar as Mobil 1 to Mobil Super Synthetic. One being a company's top of the line synthetic and the other being their bottom of the line synthetic. They're both Ashland products,but Napa is not rebadged Synpower.
 
Originally Posted By: 69GTX
NAPA syn has 23% lower Calcium vs. Synpower based on the VOA's above. Looks like distinctly lower quality to me.

As I said BITOGers told me Napa was low quality. Here's one of them.
 
Originally Posted By: veryHeavy
Originally Posted By: 69GTX
NAPA syn has 23% lower Calcium vs. Synpower based on the VOA's above. Looks like distinctly lower quality to me.

As I said BITOGers told me Napa was low quality. Here's one of them.

Lower calcium does not necessarily equate low quality. In some applications it is actually preferable to have lower Calcium.
 
Originally Posted By: veryHeavy
As I said BITOGers told me Napa was low quality. Here's one of them.

Go look at the VOA results he's referring to.
Now, please post up the calcium numbers.
 
Yeah, post FACTS, not b.s or this heresay. Gets real old, real fast. Besides if it wasn't up to quality I doubt member robo39 would use it
 
Originally Posted By: veryHeavy
Originally Posted By: 69GTX
NAPA syn has 23% lower Calcium vs. Synpower based on the VOA's above. Looks like distinctly lower quality to me.

As I said BITOGers told me Napa was low quality. Here's one of them.



There's a difference between "low" and "lower" quality. Please read more carefully. I have no comment on whether it's a low quality oil. But it's plainly lower quality than Synpower and especially Synpower MST.
 
69GTX - Please post up the actual VOA calcium numbers you're referring to that are the basis for your continued "lower quality" comments.
 
Originally Posted By: 69GTX
NAPA syn has 23% lower Calcium vs. Synpower based on the VOA's above.


Synpower: Calcium - 2125 ppm
NAPA Syn: Calcium - 2100 ppm

How did you get 23% lower from this?
 
Here's some screenshots I took for a post in December.

Pretty close to the same.

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Originally Posted By: 69GTX
Originally Posted By: edyvw
Really? Quaker?
Anyway, I use in summer Valvoline 5W40 MST which carries approvals from VW (502.00, 505.01), Porsche (A40), MB (229.51), BMW LL-04.
I use it in BMW with two turbos, and engine runs like a dream with it in it.
On other hand would never put NAPA in it because there is no single NAPA oil that is approved by any European manufacturer.
You can also find on sale Pennzoil Platinum Euro for $2, and other oils including Castrol 0W30. That does not mean they are "low quality," it just means company is getting rid of supplies.


Really NAPA syn?

NAPA syn has 23% lower Calcium vs. Synpower based on the VOA's above. Looks like distinctly lower quality to me. And to even mention Valvoline MST in the same breath as NAPA?

Yes, Synpower MST is a fine oil. But, there's no such thing as NAPA MST....lol. And Fwiw, when I last reviewed Synpower MST PDS, they are a high calcium, no sodium oil much like M1 and Edge 0w-40's. So even the Euro quality Valvoline MST doesn't have the same add pack as the regular Synpower. 2 totally different oils, with Synpower MST matching the same basic formula as M1 and Castrol Edge. If Synpower regular/NAPA oils were that good, why can't they get a Euro mfg oil rating using their lower Calcium, high sodium add pack?

I am trying to prove point that Valvoline is quality product.
As ILSAC GF-5 oils, why would they have Euro approvals? Valvoline has 5W30 oils with Euro approvals, HST and MST and Low-SAPS versions.
 
As I recall, the back of the Napa bottle has in big print "Developed by Valvoline" or similar. It's certainly not a well-hidden secret. I like it, especially for $2 a quart.

Adam
 
You really shouldn't title threads as you did this one.
It does make you look like a troll even if you aren't.
Anyway, I don't think that either Synpower or its NAPA cousin are low quality oils.
Synpower is a Dexos licensed oil in the appropriate grades, so it can't be all that bad.
NAPA syn is very similar to Synpower by all of the VOAs I've seen, so it's probably pretty close.
I've used Synpower in the past and have a jug ready to go for some future run.
Valvoline products are pretty good generally and Maxlife is one of my favorite oils.
I have it in one of the seven rides I maintain ATM.
If you got some Synpower for two bucks a quart, then good for you.
If you don't entirely trust it, use it for a shorter run than you'd do with other syn oils. For two bucks a quart, there's be no pain in doing this since you're in conventional oil territory at that price.
 
Looking at the cold viscosities of both,maybe the biggest difference is Synpower has some pao whereas Napa is a pure grp III? Maybe that's why the difference in price point.
 
Originally Posted By: aquariuscsm
Looking at the cold viscosities of both,maybe the biggest difference is Synpower has some pao whereas Napa is a pure grp III? Maybe that's why the difference in price point.


I also noticed that the NAPA oils have substantially higher flashpoints for the 5W30 and higher grades, and the NAPA pour points are higher across the board. Not sure if these differences are purely base oil related or could be partly due to additives?
 
Some of this comes down to "Store Brand" vs big name ... Some of it comes down to drain interval.

Have I used Napa oil, sure. It gets the job done when I have to drive 19 miles to get something else. Do I run it more than 6,000 miles - no.

Do I run premium synthetics more than 6,000 miles - sometimes. I can push them if I want to. Just would not do that with NAPA oil ...
 
Originally Posted By: Quattro Pete
Originally Posted By: 69GTX
NAPA syn has 23% lower Calcium vs. Synpower based on the VOA's above.

Synpower: Calcium - 2125 ppm
NAPA Syn: Calcium - 2100 ppm
How did you get 23% lower from this?

These two oils are starting to look identical. I think it's safe to run my Valvoline stash 15,000 miles, and maybe the Napa Syn too.

Also I think people get too obsessed with "teams" in regards to oils and cars. i.e. "Toyota is my favorite team" or "Valvoline is the best" et cetera. These are just commodity items like paper towels & refrigerators.
 
Originally Posted By: fdcg27
You really shouldn't title threads as you did this one.
It does make you look like a troll even if you aren't.
Anyway, I don't think that either Synpower or its NAPA cousin are low quality oils.
Synpower is a Dexos licensed oil in the appropriate grades, so it can't be all that bad.
NAPA syn is very similar to Synpower by all of the VOAs I've seen, so it's probably pretty close.
I've used Synpower in the past and have a jug ready to go for some future run.
Valvoline products are pretty good generally and Maxlife is one of my favorite oils.
I have it in one of the seven rides I maintain ATM.
If you got some Synpower for two bucks a quart, then good for you.
If you don't entirely trust it, use it for a shorter run than you'd do with other syn oils. For two bucks a quart, there's be no pain in doing this since you're in conventional oil territory at that price.


And to add to that, Napa Syn is Dexos licensed as well:
http://www.centerforqa.com/dexos-brand1/
It says it on the bottle and is listed on the website.
 
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