Valvoline syn vs. Mobil 1 syn?

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I would love to see how Redline would do in the HTO-06 test. Probably not likely to happen seeing as they do not partake in these tests.
 
I'm sure Redline would dominate in this test.

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Originally Posted By: buster
Originally Posted By: Bill in Utah
Originally Posted By: nfs480
For instance, Amsoil claims SSO meets HTO-06, but they didn't pay to be officially certified. I'd be willing to bet there are many more oils that could potentially meet the spec.


Most oils would pass it without question. Again, if a lowly group III (not a real syn according to most members here
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) can pass it then most other oils can do it.



Actually Bill, MOST oils did not pass it.


Where are the tests where most failed?
 
Red Line would not "pass" the test simply due to the fact that it is not an API approved oil. Way to much ZDDP for Honda to approve. Now to the question of will it work, the answer would probably be yes.
 
Originally Posted By: OVERK1LL
Originally Posted By: chevrofreak
Originally Posted By: OVERK1LL

Kind of proving my point here.......


Prove me wrong.


I don't need to. GM is still using it in the 'vette, Honda is using it for the RDX... And the list goes on.

Does your approval, disapproval or speculation on a product hold more weight than a manufacturer's specs or approvals that a lubricant meets?


You yourself have seen chunks of black junk in your oil filters after switching from M1 5w30. If Mobil 1 5w30 is so awesome, why did it not clean that stuff out? Maybe it's what actually caused it? Haven't you actually seen this in two vehicles now? Wasn't it after 5w30 in both of them?
 
Originally Posted By: chevrofreak
Originally Posted By: OVERK1LL
Originally Posted By: chevrofreak
Originally Posted By: OVERK1LL

Kind of proving my point here.......


Prove me wrong.


I don't need to. GM is still using it in the 'vette, Honda is using it for the RDX... And the list goes on.

Does your approval, disapproval or speculation on a product hold more weight than a manufacturer's specs or approvals that a lubricant meets?


You yourself have seen chunks of black junk in your oil filters after switching from M1 5w30. If Mobil 1 5w30 is so awesome, why did it not clean that stuff out? Maybe it's what actually caused it? Haven't you actually seen this in two vehicles now? Wasn't it after 5w30 in both of them?


Conventional 5w30 was used in both of them........ M1 5w30 was used after the factory free changes were used up on my parent's one.
 
Originally Posted By: Ben99GT
I'm sure Redline would dominate in this test.

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Let's see 527 Fahrenheit for 22 hours....

That is a real test for a engine.
 
What engine gets to 527 degrees?

But, I agree - I'd like to see a test atleast at 300 degrees where an engine's oil temp could reach ,say when overheated.
 
I think both are excellent oils as well as PP, QSHP etc. I don't think any of them have the low temp. capabilities that they had when PAO was the norm. I also feel that PAO is a better choice for extended drains.
I do get a bit concerned about the high iron numbers which M1 usually exhibits.
When Mobil had just one 'version' of Mobil 1 I think it was a super product. I would have to agree that the different viscosities of Mobil 1 vary in performance/quality.
 
Originally Posted By: tig1
This add shows a little about turbo temps. Click product performance then click turbocharger.

https://www.mobiloil.com/USA-English/MotorOil/Videos/TV.aspx


Valvoline is better. They state PAO base stock in their web site (Mobil does not), They offer a 300k warranty which Mobil does not offer any warranty...

Valvoline Synpower

Also how many of us have a Turbo? No very many of us and the OP did not state that they did....
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Bill, you need to point me in the right direction. I could find nowhere on the link you posted where is said they use PAO base stocks. Last I heard, Valvoline synthetic oils were made with Group III base stocks.

The only term I found repeated on that site was either "fully synthetic" or "synthetic base".
 
XMs warranty doesn't cover a specific amount of miles. Their warranty is all inclusive of the time you own the vehicle.
 
Originally Posted By: Johnny
Bill, you need to point me in the right direction. I could find nowhere on the link you posted where is said they use PAO base stocks. Last I heard, Valvoline synthetic oils were made with Group III base stocks.

The only term I found repeated on that site was either "fully synthetic" or "synthetic base".


Lets see if this will work....

Syn info for Valvoline

And the quote just in case;

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In the simplest terms, the base stock of synthetics, polyalphaolefin (PAO) starts as ethylene gas, a simple two-carbon molecule that is built up to a 10-carbon molecule. Three of these super molecules are combined to form PAO, a base stock that offers a number of advantages over Mother Nature's version. Synthetics are more stable, flow at lower temperatures, are more resistant to boiling off, and less susceptible to oxidation, which causes thickening with prolonged high temperatures.


And;

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The PAO base stock does hold up longer than petroleum-based oils


Take care, bill
 
With all of this warranty talk, I personally don't believe oil warranties are worth the paper they are written on. For one who will change their Valvoline Synthetic oil every 3000 miles for 300,000 miles. Ain't gonna happen. Also XM warranty excludes normal engine wear, so good luck anybody on successfully filing a oil related failure claim. If there is such a thing as an oil related failure.
 
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