Valvoline still promoting the MYTH

[buster]

Quote:
Drain early, drain often

Although some car manufacturers and motor oils claim that maintenance intervals may be extended, there are still many benefits to changing your oil every 3,000 miles.


In other words, Drain Early, Buy Often. End of story. It's a shame because they make good oils.

http://www.valvoline.com/car-care/automotive-system/engine/vcc20060101ed


Quote:
Ford decided to debunk a few of the most popular maintenance myths, including the following:

* MYTH: Cars need oil changes every three months or 3,000 miles.
False: That used to be true, but not with newer cars. Because of synthetic oils that don’t break down as quickly, consumers actually don’t need oil changes as often – more like every 5,000 to 7,500 miles. (There may be two recommendations for oil-change intervals: one for normal driving and one for hard use. Check your maintenance guide to be sure.)

 

[barlowc]

The first sentence of the article says, "Talking about motor oil is about as exciting as watching paint dry." He's certainly not going to make any BITOG friends saying that.

 

[Cutehumor]

I haven't done a 3k oil change in my engines in almost ten years. The oil companies need to stimulate their bottom line, the economy is rough on them.

 

[OVERKILL]

Ashland isn't an oil company. They are a blender.

 

[buster]

Exactly.

Amsoil clearly shoots a hole thru Valvoline's marketing non-sense.

 

[mechtech2]

I also believe that their are benefits to more frequent oil changes.
I don't see how this could be disputed.

No one says you can't or should never go longer.

Let's not put word in their mouths [add to what they say], and thus set up a straw man that is easy to knock down..

 

[NightRiderQ45]

Buster...YOU have oil in your car that promotes 4k oci's...."change early, change often" even with a high TBN so why the hate just for Valvoline!?!

Are you just trolling...

 

[buster]

I singled out Valvoline because they actively promote 3k mile oil changes, the others don't. The others at least say follow your owners manual.

Changing your oil more frequently as opposed to what? Don't people understand that 3,000 miles is just a number? It doesn't mean anything.

 

[NightRiderQ45]

Originally Posted By: buster
I singled out Valvoline because they actively promote 3k mile oil changes, the others don't. The others at least say follow your owners manual.

Changing your oil more frequently as opposed to what? Don't people understand that 3,000 miles is just a number? It doesn't mean anything.

Wrong, PU clearly states on the bottle, especially with the warranty to change out in 4k oci's. It should be pushed as a extended drain oil but they want you to change it every 4k to keep your engine "clean".

 

[demarpaint]

Originally Posted By: mechtech2
I also believe that their are benefits to more frequent oil changes.
I don't see how this could be disputed.

No one says you can't or should never go longer.

Let's not put word in their mouths [add to what they say], and thus set up a straw man that is easy to knock down..


I have to agree.

 

[JHZR2]

Note Ford specifically cites syn oils in the quote. Is valvoline's comments all-encompasing? May be a difference to the average user (or even Ford) running synpower versus white-bottle too...

 

[tig1]

Mobil Clean=5000 mile OCI
Mobil 7500=7500 mile OCI
M1, XM doesn't define it but regular M1 is good for 10K mile OCI.
M1 EP=15K OCI.

 

[PandaBear]

I still do 3k OCI on a known sludger like the 97 V6 Camry, so there is some truth to that.

 

[buster]

Originally Posted By: tig1
Mobil Clean=5000 mile OCI
Mobil 7500=7500 mile OCI
M1, XM doesn't define it but regular M1 is good for 10K mile OCI.
M1 EP=15K OCI.


Thanks. There you go.

Or,

Amsoil XL 7,500
Amsoil Regular 25k/1yr

Dexos1 up to 10k miles
Ford 10k
Toyota 10k
Honda 10k

Synpower can handle these drains and does say consult your owner's manual, but they have continuously stood behind the 3,000 mile myth for years.

 

[edhackett]

We've all seen the pictures of slugged up engines using the manufacturers extended drain intervals. We've all seen the posts showing engines that had their life shorted by too long of drain interval.

How many have we seen of engines damaged by 3K oil changes?

3K may not be the best answer in all applications, but it is never the wrong answer.

Ed

 

[tig1]

Originally Posted By: edhackett
We've all seen the pictures of slugged up engines using the manufacturers extended drain intervals. We've all seen the posts showing engines that had their life shorted by too long of drain interval.

How many have we seen of engines damaged by 3K oil changes?

3K may not be the best answer in all applications, but it is never the wrong answer.

Ed


I have done 10K OCIs for 32 years and my engines stay very clean, and have never had an engine failure or show signs of failing.

 

[mechanicx]

OK but what if you are using a typical conventional or even some synthetics and live in a cold climate where you can have below freezing temperatures almost 6 months a year and you are taking short trips? In other words severe service without an OLM. If you want to miminize engine wear and sludge, just how many miles and months apart should your OCI be? Should it be 5K/6K miles, or 8K+/1 year or what? Seems like the service time, climate, driving cycle, the engine in question etc determines whether 3k/3 months is a myth.

 

[tig1]

OK but what if you are using a typical conventional or even some synthetics and live in a cold climate where you can have below freezing temperatures almost 6 months a year and you are taking short trips? In other words severe service without an OLM. If you want to miminize engine wear and sludge, just how many miles and months apart should your OCI be? Should it be 5K/6K miles, or 8K+/1 year or what? Seems like the service time, climate, driving cycle, the engine in question etc determines whether 3k/3 months is a myth. [/quote

Since I am a 10K OCI guy, I don't worry about things like that. When 10K is up I change oil. It doesn't matter to me if it is in the spring, summer, fall, or winter. Doesn't matter if the time is 6 months or 9 months to reach 10K. I have mental freedom from OCIs, and have had that for 32 years.

 

[buster]

3,000 miles = made up = sell more oil.

 

[mechanicx]

But don't you do a lot of highway driving and also use Mobil 1? How long does it take for you to get 10K miles? Judging from your signature you have late model cars that acrue high milage fast. That's sort of comparing apples and oranges with my comparison. Which was my point that people who criticise the 3k mile/3 month OCI make blanket statements and don't factor everything in as well..