I ran the 3 phase line because I got the wire for free. I'm not using 3 phase. Nor am I using the current capacity of the wire.
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Originally Posted by dave1251
Washington state has clearly defined this.
(1) No person in the state shall be placed in legal jeopardy of any kind whatsoever for protecting by any reasonable means necessary, himself or herself, his or her family, or his or her real or personal property, or for coming to the aid of another who is in imminent danger of or the victim of assault, robbery, kidnapping, arson, burglary, rape, murder, or any other violent crime as defined in RCW 9.94A.030.
Yes, "reasonable" is the key term and deadly force is not it.
Washington state has clearly defined this.
(1) No person in the state shall be placed in legal jeopardy of any kind whatsoever for protecting by any reasonable means necessary, himself or herself, his or her family, or his or her real or personal property, or for coming to the aid of another who is in imminent danger of or the victim of assault, robbery, kidnapping, arson, burglary, rape, murder, or any other violent crime as defined in RCW 9.94A.030.
Yes, "reasonable" is the key term and deadly force is not it.
My backup heat source at home and at our cabin is wood. No electricity needed, and this time of the year, ample refrigeration is provided by mother nature for perishables. Otherwise we are forced air gas heat.
We have a generator at the cabin as power can be out for a few days depending on storms. No problems with stealing. Maybe since we share with the neighbors who need a hand too keeping the fridge and freezers running, etc... in the summer.
Would I consider it worth shooting someone if they tried to steal i the generator? No. But that is based on the premise that I am not in imminent danger due to someone stealing something from me.
We have a generator at the cabin as power can be out for a few days depending on storms. No problems with stealing. Maybe since we share with the neighbors who need a hand too keeping the fridge and freezers running, etc... in the summer.
Would I consider it worth shooting someone if they tried to steal i the generator? No. But that is based on the premise that I am not in imminent danger due to someone stealing something from me.
This is why I don't live anywhere remotely close to an area where people steal generators. If there's people around like that, you're in danger regardless of whether the power ever goes out or a storm ever comes.
A week of snow is not a SHTF event!
A week of snow is not a SHTF event!
Secure it with a chain, get a security camera and motion activated security lights.
Backyard is the best place for it.
Backyard is the best place for it.
Originally Posted by ammolab
Originally Posted by WhyMe
i equate you stealing my generator when its freezing outside to putting me and my family in danger.
So you guys in the snow states that get hit all the time, do people steal generators? has there been a case where a homeowner used deadly force to protect power to ones home? what was the outcome?
thanks
A medal may be given to the shooter in Montana for heroism above and beyond the call of duty!
Outcome is region specific: in Jersey?...shooter arrested on the spot. In Montana?.. Shooters and Sheriff share a few beers afterward.
Originally Posted by WhyMe
i equate you stealing my generator when its freezing outside to putting me and my family in danger.
So you guys in the snow states that get hit all the time, do people steal generators? has there been a case where a homeowner used deadly force to protect power to ones home? what was the outcome?
thanks
A medal may be given to the shooter in Montana for heroism above and beyond the call of duty!
Outcome is region specific: in Jersey?...shooter arrested on the spot. In Montana?.. Shooters and Sheriff share a few beers afterward.
We've had much bigger storms than this. Don't let the weather people get you all riled up. Sure there will be some good snow.
If you live in the dread zones in the metro area of Seattle , chances are the thieves will have guns as well. Keep your generator discrete but if you have to run it then that's not going to be possible.
I'm watching it come down right now.
If you live in the dread zones in the metro area of Seattle , chances are the thieves will have guns as well. Keep your generator discrete but if you have to run it then that's not going to be possible.
I'm watching it come down right now.
I have zero tolerance for thieves.
The thief cometh not, but for to steal, and to kill, and to destroy. A old saying that remains relevant today.
It's wildly incorrect to think a thief will come, unarmed, and unwilling to harm or unwilling to damage/destroy. It's statistically much more likely that a confrontation with a thief will go sideways rather quickly.
It's also interesting to note that only 12% of conventional burglaries involve the USE of firearms. (that is not to say the thief is unarmed, only that 12% of the time, firearms are employed)
But you must remember, looters, taking advantage of a state of emergency to loot homes are known to be, and statistically very likely to be, armed. This is because emergency services are spread very thin and rapid law enforcement response is non existent.
The thief cometh not, but for to steal, and to kill, and to destroy. A old saying that remains relevant today.
It's wildly incorrect to think a thief will come, unarmed, and unwilling to harm or unwilling to damage/destroy. It's statistically much more likely that a confrontation with a thief will go sideways rather quickly.
It's also interesting to note that only 12% of conventional burglaries involve the USE of firearms. (that is not to say the thief is unarmed, only that 12% of the time, firearms are employed)
But you must remember, looters, taking advantage of a state of emergency to loot homes are known to be, and statistically very likely to be, armed. This is because emergency services are spread very thin and rapid law enforcement response is non existent.
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Robbery and theft are two very different things. One is a violent crime, and one is not. Chain it up and/or put it in the back yard. Never in a million years would I expect a jury to call you "not guilty" for shooting and killing an unarmed guy stealing your generator. Ain't gonna fly.
If you're that concerned that you may need to shoot someone (?!?!) I'd suggest buying a 2nd generator right now. Leave it in the box sealed, inside the house or garage.
If someone really wants your generator (doubtful), let them have it. You've got a backup.
Return the unopened generator next week for a full refund.
Returning a generator or having to purchase a $500 one from Harbor Freight will be a TRILLION times less stressful/ hassle-filled than the alternative.
If someone really wants your generator (doubtful), let them have it. You've got a backup.
Return the unopened generator next week for a full refund.
Returning a generator or having to purchase a $500 one from Harbor Freight will be a TRILLION times less stressful/ hassle-filled than the alternative.
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No danger as it's property theft. Deadly force over a generator good luck with that. You also have to live with your choice as killer over a machine. Potentially in jail.
Entering the home I concur another level.
Entering the home I concur another level.
From what I can see, less than a foot of snow accumulation is expected. You're watching too much news, weather mongering gets people excited enough to start shooting
Put the guns down Cletus. In 49 states its illegal to shoot someone steeling a generator. I believe you can shoot someone at night in Texas who is stealing a generator, but that law is probably 150 years old, and needs updating.
So no, you cant and should not use deadly force to prevent the theft of a portable generator. You "might" think you are justified, but the police, district attorney, jury, and then prison staff, will treat you like a guilty condemned inmate for the next 25 years.
Now, if you catch someone in the act stealing your property, you almost always can "point" a gun at them to reclaim your property and hold them for law enforcement, but don't go shooting off your guns in this scenario.
So no, you cant and should not use deadly force to prevent the theft of a portable generator. You "might" think you are justified, but the police, district attorney, jury, and then prison staff, will treat you like a guilty condemned inmate for the next 25 years.
Now, if you catch someone in the act stealing your property, you almost always can "point" a gun at them to reclaim your property and hold them for law enforcement, but don't go shooting off your guns in this scenario.
Originally Posted by Cujet
I have zero tolerance for thieves.
The thief cometh not, but for to steal, and to kill, and to destroy. A old saying that remains relevant today.
It's wildly incorrect to think a thief will come, unarmed, and unwilling to harm or unwilling to damage/destroy. It's statistically much more likely that a confrontation with a thief will go sideways rather quickly.
It's also interesting to note that only 12% of conventional burglaries involve the USE of firearms. (that is not to say the thief is unarmed, only that 12% of the time, firearms are employed)
But you must remember, looters, taking advantage of a state of emergency to loot homes are known to be, and statistically very likely to be, armed. This is because emergency services are spread very thin and rapid law enforcement response is non existent.
Which is why my wife will be backing me up, with a rifle. I suspect a .308 or two will make looters think twice.
I have zero tolerance for thieves.
The thief cometh not, but for to steal, and to kill, and to destroy. A old saying that remains relevant today.
It's wildly incorrect to think a thief will come, unarmed, and unwilling to harm or unwilling to damage/destroy. It's statistically much more likely that a confrontation with a thief will go sideways rather quickly.
It's also interesting to note that only 12% of conventional burglaries involve the USE of firearms. (that is not to say the thief is unarmed, only that 12% of the time, firearms are employed)
But you must remember, looters, taking advantage of a state of emergency to loot homes are known to be, and statistically very likely to be, armed. This is because emergency services are spread very thin and rapid law enforcement response is non existent.
Which is why my wife will be backing me up, with a rifle. I suspect a .308 or two will make looters think twice.
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Originally Posted by bubbatime
Put the guns down Cletus. In 49 states its illegal to shoot someone steeling a generator. I believe you can shoot someone at night in Texas who is stealing a generator, but that law is probably 150 years old, and needs updating.
Yes-it needs to be legal 24 hours a day, 365 days a year.
Put the guns down Cletus. In 49 states its illegal to shoot someone steeling a generator. I believe you can shoot someone at night in Texas who is stealing a generator, but that law is probably 150 years old, and needs updating.
Yes-it needs to be legal 24 hours a day, 365 days a year.
Originally Posted by Alfred_B
Originally Posted by dave1251
Washington state has clearly defined this.
(1) No person in the state shall be placed in legal jeopardy of any kind whatsoever for protecting by any reasonable means necessary, himself or herself, his or her family, or his or her real or personal property, or for coming to the aid of another who is in imminent danger of or the victim of assault, robbery, kidnapping, arson, burglary, rape, murder, or any other violent crime as defined in RCW 9.94A.030.
Yes, "reasonable" is the key term and deadly force is not it.
It is all in the details and the caliber of the party's representation. Being said the force has to be enough to stop an felony.
Originally Posted by dave1251
Washington state has clearly defined this.
(1) No person in the state shall be placed in legal jeopardy of any kind whatsoever for protecting by any reasonable means necessary, himself or herself, his or her family, or his or her real or personal property, or for coming to the aid of another who is in imminent danger of or the victim of assault, robbery, kidnapping, arson, burglary, rape, murder, or any other violent crime as defined in RCW 9.94A.030.
Yes, "reasonable" is the key term and deadly force is not it.
It is all in the details and the caliber of the party's representation. Being said the force has to be enough to stop an felony.
Originally Posted by Dave9
This is why I don't live anywhere remotely close to an area where people steal generators. If there's people around like that, you're in danger regardless of whether the power ever goes out or a storm ever comes.
A week of snow is not a SHTF event!
Your location is listed as Cincinnati, and I can assure you with 1000% certainty, that if you live in Cincinnati, or the suburbs thereof, there absolutely, positively, is a lot of thievery going on, to include portable generators, in the winter. Nice try.
This is why I don't live anywhere remotely close to an area where people steal generators. If there's people around like that, you're in danger regardless of whether the power ever goes out or a storm ever comes.
A week of snow is not a SHTF event!
Your location is listed as Cincinnati, and I can assure you with 1000% certainty, that if you live in Cincinnati, or the suburbs thereof, there absolutely, positively, is a lot of thievery going on, to include portable generators, in the winter. Nice try.
Originally Posted by dave1251
Originally Posted by Alfred_B
Originally Posted by dave1251
Washington state has clearly defined this.
(1) No person in the state shall be placed in legal jeopardy of any kind whatsoever for protecting by any reasonable means necessary, himself or herself, his or her family, or his or her real or personal property, or for coming to the aid of another who is in imminent danger of or the victim of assault, robbery, kidnapping, arson, burglary, rape, murder, or any other violent crime as defined in RCW 9.94A.030.
Yes, "reasonable" is the key term and deadly force is not it.
It is all in the details and the caliber of the party's representation. Being said the force has to be enough to stop an felony.
It's diluted twice, first by reasonable and then by necessary. Not that great from a defendants perspective.
Originally Posted by Alfred_B
Originally Posted by dave1251
Washington state has clearly defined this.
(1) No person in the state shall be placed in legal jeopardy of any kind whatsoever for protecting by any reasonable means necessary, himself or herself, his or her family, or his or her real or personal property, or for coming to the aid of another who is in imminent danger of or the victim of assault, robbery, kidnapping, arson, burglary, rape, murder, or any other violent crime as defined in RCW 9.94A.030.
Yes, "reasonable" is the key term and deadly force is not it.
It is all in the details and the caliber of the party's representation. Being said the force has to be enough to stop an felony.
It's diluted twice, first by reasonable and then by necessary. Not that great from a defendants perspective.
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