Uber/Lyft Destroyed The Taxi Industry.

Status
Not open for further replies.
Originally Posted by Wolf359


No one has really mentioned that Uber isn't making any money.


I certainly did mention that Uber isn't profitable
smile.gif


Originally Posted by slacktide_bitog
Uber/Lyft is not a sustainable business model, either! Travis Kalanick wasn't the first to think of the idea, just the first one stupid enough to think it would be profitable!
 
Originally Posted by slacktide_bitog
Originally Posted by Wolf359


No one has really mentioned that Uber isn't making any money.


I certainly did mention that Uber isn't profitable
smile.gif


Originally Posted by slacktide_bitog
Uber/Lyft is not a sustainable business model, either! Travis Kalanick wasn't the first to think of the idea, just the first one stupid enough to think it would be profitable!



Sorry about that.

Maybe it's more to the point that it's easy to create a great service when you're losing money.
 
Originally Posted by billt460
[And how do you connect any of it to taxi drivers?


Same way that you did...

Originally Posted by billt460
A taxi medallion worth $1 million, is about as justifiable as a union auto worker getting paid $38.00 @ hour to play pool. One is already extinct. The other soon will be. Neither will be missed.


was the space in front of the machine that you operated able to be occupied by myself or Astro, or did you have some preotection over it (demarcation).

That's how I linked it...in your aerospace machining role, did you have demarcation (example you used medalion), and were your wages totally free market like an uber driver...???

It's been my observation that particularly baby boomers loved the perks that they lived through but want the modern generations to make their retirement cheaper...
 
Originally Posted by Shannow
It's been my observation that particularly baby boomers loved the perks that they lived through but want the modern generations to make their retirement cheaper...

Then you're not a very good observer. My retirement is no "cheaper" than anyone else's. I had no "perks". I never received a company pension. I was never a member of a labor union. And for the last 10 years of my career, I bought and paid for both my wife's, as well as my own health care through payroll deductions. I'm still paying for hers out of pocket.

You're desperately searching for something that doesn't exist with all of your B.S. And the reason you are doing it is because, (again by your own admission), you find it "questionable" that I was able to achieve a self funded retirement at my age. In reality what you are questioning is the fact I was able to accomplish it, along with the obvious fact you can't, and in all likelihood won't. You yourself mentioned that you have approximately 10 or so years to go to, "put something together", as you put it, in regards to some type of retirement. Good luck with that.

Guess what? You're not going to do it. The average person has around 40 to 45 years in a working career. Some a bit more, a few less. If you, or anyone else for that matter, have not achieved most of it by the time you're 50, you are not going to accomplish it in the remaining 10 or 15. The simple fact is your race is already 3/4 finished, and your gauge is reading empty. You're not going to see the finish line. So I hope you enjoy your job, because the plain and honest truth is you are going to be doing it for a long time. Assuming your employer, and your body allow it.

The fact is your best compounded interest earning years are far behind you. And there is no way to make up for it. You can't buy back time, I don't care what you earn. As I've said many times, it's not what you make, but rather what you do with it after you made it. Spending is easy. And once started, it's a tough habit to break. Saving and investing takes discipline. Constant discipline. Until you achieve your goal.

You like to whine about baby boomers. Because you want to believe they got some, "big break" you were not afforded, in regards to being able to secure a retirement. They didn't. Except for the fact the were better educated as not to be separated from their money as easily as the rest are today.

I did not receive anything, nor do I want anything from the, "modern generation". Except to stop whining, and making excuses as to why we are able to retire, while at the same time making additional excuses as to why they can't afford to. Because that's all they are is excuses.
 
Last 30 years, the rules for my retirement savings have changed at least 15 times, with regard to how much I can save, the age at which I can access it, the tax on savings, the tax on exiting...and as you say, I've got 10 years to go....there's another 3-5 changes to come yet...I've been paying private health insurance for over 20 years also...that was another of those changes that came i, legislated by the youknowwho's

At least you can acknowledge that YOU added other fields into the discussion about uber...which I validly challenged you on.

demarcation...was there EVER any demarcation in your workplaces ... you keep skirting that ?
union or not...you are saying that you always negotiated your wage on free market principals, every year of your working life ?

I am seriously impressed...
 
Originally Posted by Willclark
Originally Posted by Jarlaxle
Uber has destroyed the taxi cartel...and it's about time.


My family has worked in the taxi industry their entire lives and I find this comment offensive.


I'm sorry that the truth hurts.
 
Originally Posted by Willclark
I figured. A lot of you members would rather get a ride from a local who comes from the area you live? You guys probably feel it's much safer than dealing with the "taxi man". The majority of Uber drivers are "down on their luck" and are unemployable. It's pretty much their last line of profession from being unemployed.

Have anything resembling PROOF of this fairy tale?
 
Originally Posted by Willclark
Originally Posted by dishdude
Funny how people that drive for a living are the worst drivers on the road. Doesn't matter if they're in a taxi or have an Uber/Lyft decal stuck to their windshield.


Not true, the worst folks driving are those in the 70-85 range. I think there should me a mandatory drivers license ending at the age of 70.


I'd love to watch you try something my uncle's father does regularly...say, thread a 10-wheel dump truck with trailer (carrying a 40-ton bulldozer) through a 9' wide gate. Backwards. He'll be celebrating his 85th birthday with an Iron Butt ride in August...49 states in 10 days on his Goldwing.
 
Originally Posted by Willclark

Why are we still collecting money for cab medallions and propping up 2-bit cab operators? I know NYC, SF and Oakland have propped up the families who had a monopoly on the cab market. I'd rather see taxpayer money go towards public transit than taxis.

I don't know about those cities. I'm only talking about Chicago. The greatest city in the U.S..


Chicago should be rented out by the acre for target practice.
 
Originally Posted by atikovi
Originally Posted by Willclark
The majority of Uber drivers are "down on their luck" and are unemployable. It's pretty much their last line of profession from being unemployed.


Yet they manage to drive a nice late model car. Doesn't seem down on their luck at all.

My neighbors both drive for Uber. (Uber Select, IIRC.) She has a new Chrysler 200 Limited, he drives a Town Car Executive L. (You would never guess this former livery car has 380,000 miles.)
 
Originally Posted by Shannow
demarcation...was there EVER any demarcation in your workplaces ... you keep skirting that ?
union or not...you are saying that you always negotiated your wage on free market principals, every year of your working life ?

Because it's totally irrelevant. You're trying to overcomplicate all of this in some abstract attempt to justify it. Everywhere I ever worked, I agreed to work for a certain wage, period. If at any time I ever felt that wage was not accurate or fair, I tried to renegotiate it. Some times I was successful, other times not. If not I moved on.

You keep talking about "demarcation". In all my years I have never seen, or heard that term ever mentioned or discussed with me or anyone else, or appear on any bulletin board, or written into any company policy, in regards to any discussion regarding wages. I worked for what I worked for. And from that I built a retirement over 44 years. It wasn't complicated. It just wasn't easy to do.

This is where you keep stumbling. Once again, it's not what you make. But rather what you do with it after you make it. That's what counts. Not "demarcation". Not "remuneration". Not all of these fictitious, nebulous "breaks" you seem to think others before you received, that you didn't.

Show me someone who earns a modest income. But who lives within his means, with good solid financial discipline and common sense. And I'll show you someone who in all likelihood, will secure a prosperous retirement. Over someone who earns huge salary, and is foolish and careless with their money. Again, not what you earn, but what you manage to keep.

You see it everywhere all the time. Professional sports figures and actors, many of which earn tens of millions of dollars in their careers. Many end up broke, with zero to show for any of it. What's their excuse? It's not because of taxes, "demarcation", "renumeration" or anything else you want to tag it all with. But because they were basically stupid and undisciplined with their money. They just demonstrated it on a much grander scale than the average person. The results were the same regardless.

In my life I have met many people who have had far greater earnings than I have. Many of them are still working because they have to. Several belonged to unions that got them fantastic wages and benefits. During their working lifetime they managed to squander most all of it. Now they don't have it. And ALL of them wish they did. But it's too late. Their big benefits and supposed "breaks" did them no good, and got them nowhere in life. Again because they were financially foolish.

It only about what YOU earn. And what YOU do with it after you earned it. Tax rules always change. Pensions disappear. Health care gets more expensive. The cost of living always goes up, never down. Real estate and investment markets take sudden and unexplained downturns. Interest rates bounce up and down like a yo-yo. It happened to me. It happened to you. And it will happen to children who have yet to grow up and enter the workplace. It doesn't matter because the same applies. Always has and always will. All that will change are the excuses they all make for it. And 99.9% of the time, none of them are remotely applicable.
 
Originally Posted by Shannow
Last 30 years, the rules for my retirement savings have changed at least 15 times, with regard to how much I can save, the age at which I can access it, the tax on savings, the tax on exiting...and as you say, I've got 10 years to go....there's another 3-5 changes to come yet...I've been paying private health insurance for over 20 years also...that was another of those changes that came i, legislated by the youknowwho's

At least you can acknowledge that YOU added other fields into the discussion about uber...which I validly challenged you on.

demarcation...was there EVER any demarcation in your workplaces ... you keep skirting that ?
union or not...you are saying that you always negotiated your wage on free market principals, every year of your working life ?

I am seriously impressed...

Are you attempting to stumble upon a POINT?
 
Originally Posted by Jarlaxle
Originally Posted by Willclark

Why are we still collecting money for cab medallions and propping up 2-bit cab operators? I know NYC, SF and Oakland have propped up the families who had a monopoly on the cab market. I'd rather see taxpayer money go towards public transit than taxis.

I don't know about those cities. I'm only talking about Chicago. The greatest city in the U.S..


Chicago should be rented out by the acre for target practice.



Shouldn't believe all the BS the media shows of Chicago, Those are in areas most normal sane people wouldn't live in. They're ALWAYS going to show blood and violence cause it sells and gets ratings. And I have visited MUCH worse cities in this country than Chicago lol.
For example, 35 years of my life so far have lived in Chicago, San Francisco, Seattle, Los Angeles and never a victim of crime. But only a couple of years in the bible belt so called "Family friendly" Oklahoma City and I was a victim of crime several times, including an auto theft and being robbed at gun point !!!


Chicago Corruption on the other hand is another story..... Smollett case was just a drop in the "cesspool bucket" the world got to see lol


Dave
 
Last edited:
Originally Posted by Shannow
Last 30 years, the rules for my retirement savings have changed at least 15 times, with regard to how much I can save, the age at which I can access it, the tax on savings, the tax on exiting...and as you say, I've got 10 years to go....there's another 3-5 changes to come yet...I've been paying private health insurance for over 20 years also...that was another of those changes that came i, legislated by the youknowwho's

At least you can acknowledge that YOU added other fields into the discussion about uber...which I validly challenged you on.

demarcation...was there EVER any demarcation in your workplaces ... you keep skirting that ?
union or not...you are saying that you always negotiated your wage on free market principals, every year of your working life ?

I am seriously impressed...


I can readily grasp your point and suspect that everyone else here does as well.
I'd like to make the observation that we all like to talk about how things that benefit us are merely the free market at work even though we really live and work in a faux free market world.
 
Originally Posted by Jarlaxle
[
Are you attempting to stumble upon a POINT?


Billt460 introduced externalities "that needed to die" into the Uber/taxi thing...I engaged at THAT point....you might well ask him what HIS point was...I merely engaged him in HIS reasoning.

Troll back into the thread, and follow the path yourself...you HAVE the attention span...just do it.
 
GMguy84 said:
Jarlaxle said:
Willclark said:
Shouldn't believe all the BS the media shows of Chicago, Those are in areas most normal sane people wouldn't live in. They're ALWAYS going to show blood and violence cause it sells and gets ratings.

CNN is now Constant Negative News … Negative rules …
Otherwise why would this thread be 13 pages and going strong
 
Originally Posted by slacktide_bitog
Originally Posted by Wolf359


No one has really mentioned that Uber isn't making any money.


I certainly did mention that Uber isn't profitable
smile.gif


Originally Posted by slacktide_bitog
Uber/Lyft is not a sustainable business model, either! Travis Kalanick wasn't the first to think of the idea, just the first one stupid enough to think it would be profitable!



Until they find a way to monetize all of the information they are collecting on us; where we go, when we go, what's at those locations.... Think of that and other information they collect on every trip and aggregate then analyze that information across and from the inception of their operation. Then they will figure out the best way to sell it.

Oh and as a (too) frequent business traveler that wound up running global travel operations for a major multinational company (60K travelers!), Uber/Lyft helped in the demise of the domestic taxi industry, but the taxi industry handed them the opportunity and tools to do it....

From a traveler experience, security and governance perspective, Uber (and I assume Lyft, but don't have direct experience) is clearly superior to taxis, but that is a topic for a different thread.
 
Originally Posted by wings&wheels

Until they find a way to monetize all of the information they are collecting on us; where we go, when we go, what's at those locations.... Think of that and other information they collect on every trip and aggregate then analyze that information across and from the inception of their operation. Then they will figure out the best way to sell it.


Excellent point that should have already occurred to all of us.
We know that information has value and we know that these folks could use it in determining what to charge us for any given ride just for a start.
How third party users might profit from this data is anybody's guess, but there will no doubt be those who'll figure this out.
Maybe the VCs who provided the funds to get these things going weren't so crazy after all?
 
Originally Posted by fdcg27
Maybe the VCs who provided the funds to get these things going weren't so crazy after all?




Crazy like a fox... The VC's I've worked with were pretty darn good.
 
Originally Posted by fdcg27
Originally Posted by Shannow
Last 30 years, the rules for my retirement savings have changed at least 15 times, with regard to how much I can save, the age at which I can access it, the tax on savings, the tax on exiting...and as you say, I've got 10 years to go....there's another 3-5 changes to come yet...I've been paying private health insurance for over 20 years also...that was another of those changes that came i, legislated by the youknowwho's

At least you can acknowledge that YOU added other fields into the discussion about uber...which I validly challenged you on.

demarcation...was there EVER any demarcation in your workplaces ... you keep skirting that ?
union or not...you are saying that you always negotiated your wage on free market principals, every year of your working life ?

I am seriously impressed...


I can readily grasp your point and suspect that everyone else here does as well.
I'd like to make the observation that we all like to talk about how things that benefit us are merely the free market at work even though we really live and work in a faux free market world.


The market is free in the same way a casino or Three-card Monte is.
 
Status
Not open for further replies.
Back
Top