Tried E85 in my 09 F150 5.4L 4x4 super crew
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Originally Posted By: djquik1
Originally Posted By: tmorris1
There shouldn't be any fuel getting into the oil though, right?
You have heard of blowby when the engine is cold right?
I think with new engines and fuel injection that this is not an issue anymore.
Originally Posted By: tmorris1
There shouldn't be any fuel getting into the oil though, right?
You have heard of blowby when the engine is cold right?
I think with new engines and fuel injection that this is not an issue anymore.
Originally Posted By: tmorris1
Originally Posted By: djquik1
Originally Posted By: tmorris1
There shouldn't be any fuel getting into the oil though, right?
You have heard of blowby when the engine is cold right?
I think with new engines and fuel injection that this is not an issue anymore.
My new engine with fuel injection and forged pistons,begs to differ.
Originally Posted By: djquik1
Originally Posted By: tmorris1
There shouldn't be any fuel getting into the oil though, right?
You have heard of blowby when the engine is cold right?
I think with new engines and fuel injection that this is not an issue anymore.
My new engine with fuel injection and forged pistons,begs to differ.
Originally Posted By: djquik1
Originally Posted By: tmorris1
Originally Posted By: djquik1
Originally Posted By: tmorris1
There shouldn't be any fuel getting into the oil though, right?
You have heard of blowby when the engine is cold right?
I think with new engines and fuel injection that this is not an issue anymore.
My new engine with fuel injection and forged pistons,begs to differ.
My latest 10,000 mile UOA begs to differ. 75% of it was using E-85. It showed 0.0%fuel, with all other numbers being in the average or below average range. Not sure where this severe service junk is coming from, but I've got proof that E-85 doesn't affect the oil.
Originally Posted By: tmorris1
Originally Posted By: djquik1
Originally Posted By: tmorris1
There shouldn't be any fuel getting into the oil though, right?
You have heard of blowby when the engine is cold right?
I think with new engines and fuel injection that this is not an issue anymore.
My new engine with fuel injection and forged pistons,begs to differ.
My latest 10,000 mile UOA begs to differ. 75% of it was using E-85. It showed 0.0%fuel, with all other numbers being in the average or below average range. Not sure where this severe service junk is coming from, but I've got proof that E-85 doesn't affect the oil.
Originally Posted By: tmorris1
Originally Posted By: djquik1
Originally Posted By: tmorris1
There shouldn't be any fuel getting into the oil though, right?
You have heard of blowby when the engine is cold right?
I think with new engines and fuel injection that this is not an issue anymore.
It most definitely does, which is why Ford lists a shorter oil change interval on vehicles running E85.
Ethanol is quite corrosive, and it probably causes the TAN value in used engine oil to rise much faster and cause more TBN depletion.
Originally Posted By: djquik1
Originally Posted By: tmorris1
There shouldn't be any fuel getting into the oil though, right?
You have heard of blowby when the engine is cold right?
I think with new engines and fuel injection that this is not an issue anymore.
It most definitely does, which is why Ford lists a shorter oil change interval on vehicles running E85.
Ethanol is quite corrosive, and it probably causes the TAN value in used engine oil to rise much faster and cause more TBN depletion.
I've tried it here in my GMQ which is flex-fuel, it is about a $1 a gallon cheaper where we are, and the GMQ runs "fast" on it, but with the lesser mpg's, and the potential corrosiveness, I just dont feel that it is "worth" it.
I have run several tanks in my 2002 Dodge van, 318 v-8. Never a problem, but mileage suffered greatly, about 3 mpg less.
Originally Posted By: tmorris1
Originally Posted By: djquik1
Originally Posted By: tmorris1
There shouldn't be any fuel getting into the oil though, right?
You have heard of blowby when the engine is cold right?
I think with new engines and fuel injection that this is not an issue anymore.
Uh, what do you think it does to get the engine started on a cold day? Thats right. Lots of fuel. Then it keeps dumping in lots of fuel to get the cats warmed as quickly as possible so they will light off and start working.
If you then drive for awhile, this is not really an issue, as it will evaporate before it has a chance to do anything. But short trips will tear the oil up.
Originally Posted By: djquik1
Originally Posted By: tmorris1
There shouldn't be any fuel getting into the oil though, right?
You have heard of blowby when the engine is cold right?
I think with new engines and fuel injection that this is not an issue anymore.
Uh, what do you think it does to get the engine started on a cold day? Thats right. Lots of fuel. Then it keeps dumping in lots of fuel to get the cats warmed as quickly as possible so they will light off and start working.
If you then drive for awhile, this is not really an issue, as it will evaporate before it has a chance to do anything. But short trips will tear the oil up.
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Originally Posted By: Colt45ws
Originally Posted By: tmorris1
Originally Posted By: djquik1
Originally Posted By: tmorris1
There shouldn't be any fuel getting into the oil though, right?
You have heard of blowby when the engine is cold right?
I think with new engines and fuel injection that this is not an issue anymore.
Uh, what do you think it does to get the engine started on a cold day? Thats right. Lots of fuel. Then it keeps dumping in lots of fuel to get the cats warmed as quickly as possible so they will light off and start working.
If you then drive for awhile, this is not really an issue, as it will evaporate before it has a chance to do anything. But short trips will tear the oil up.
Thankyou!!!
Originally Posted By: tmorris1
Originally Posted By: djquik1
Originally Posted By: tmorris1
There shouldn't be any fuel getting into the oil though, right?
You have heard of blowby when the engine is cold right?
I think with new engines and fuel injection that this is not an issue anymore.
Uh, what do you think it does to get the engine started on a cold day? Thats right. Lots of fuel. Then it keeps dumping in lots of fuel to get the cats warmed as quickly as possible so they will light off and start working.
If you then drive for awhile, this is not really an issue, as it will evaporate before it has a chance to do anything. But short trips will tear the oil up.
Thankyou!!!
If you use BSLabs, they never show fuel, even when I know that it has to have fuel in it.
VOA shows Visc of 7.3 and Flash of 425.
UOA #1 3000Miles 385Flash 6.37Visc
UOA #2 4800Miles 390Flash 7.07Visc
UOA #3 5500Miles 415Flash 7.90Visc
All from the same batch of oil purchased at the same time.
The first one I didnt really drive it to burn off the fuel. Thats just my short tripping. I parked it hot-ish and changed it.
Second one I drove it 20 miles and parked it then drained.
3rd was after 1000 miles in 20hours. Parked then drained after I got a good night sleep.
VOA shows Visc of 7.3 and Flash of 425.
UOA #1 3000Miles 385Flash 6.37Visc
UOA #2 4800Miles 390Flash 7.07Visc
UOA #3 5500Miles 415Flash 7.90Visc
All from the same batch of oil purchased at the same time.
The first one I didnt really drive it to burn off the fuel. Thats just my short tripping. I parked it hot-ish and changed it.
Second one I drove it 20 miles and parked it then drained.
3rd was after 1000 miles in 20hours. Parked then drained after I got a good night sleep.
Well, the turbo guys are GaGa about E-85 and the engine's internals could be actually holding up better than on gasoline. Certainly, there is less detonation related damage.
I'm considering building a project turbo car. E-85 is the fuel of choice. No more mixing toluene in the fuel, no more deto problems with super unleaded, cooler intake charges mean more power. The list goes on.
I'm considering building a project turbo car. E-85 is the fuel of choice. No more mixing toluene in the fuel, no more deto problems with super unleaded, cooler intake charges mean more power. The list goes on.
From my drag racing days I remember the guys who built Alcohol cars. They had to run huge jets in the carbs because the alcohol as we all know, requires more fuel:air etc. But as a result, they had to change their oil after every night of racing. They all said the same thing, "...the inside of the engine gets full of sweat and moisture after every race.." When they pull the valve cover off to make valve adjustments, the bottom of the cover is soaking wet and water running down mixing into the oil. Something to do with the bigger volume of fuel rushing through the engine is absorbing a LOT more heat and causing the engine to be what they considered "ice cold".
That example is a pretty extreme environment with engines making more than a thousand horsepower, but you get the idea. On a street car driven normally, the intake system and cylinder heads will run cooler than normal. Some engines won't be affected as much depending on how great the pistons fit when cold (ie: hyper-eutectic vs forged), some engines by design have a very hot intake area with heavy iron heads, those probably won't be affected too much either.
Either way, Ford spent millions of dollars doing their research, I've only spent a few hours looking at a computer- I'd say Ford knows best when they recommend early oil changes when running E85.
That example is a pretty extreme environment with engines making more than a thousand horsepower, but you get the idea. On a street car driven normally, the intake system and cylinder heads will run cooler than normal. Some engines won't be affected as much depending on how great the pistons fit when cold (ie: hyper-eutectic vs forged), some engines by design have a very hot intake area with heavy iron heads, those probably won't be affected too much either.
Either way, Ford spent millions of dollars doing their research, I've only spent a few hours looking at a computer- I'd say Ford knows best when they recommend early oil changes when running E85.
Service your Ford with us more often =win
Don't change your oil per E85 suggestion and wear out your engine early=win
Don't change your oil per E85 suggestion and wear out your engine early=win
Originally Posted By: getnpsi
Service your Ford with us more often =win
Don't change your oil per E85 suggestion and wear out your engine early=win
How is that a win? Ford's sales are skyrocketing because of improved quality and there vehicles lasting LONGER. Junk vehicles that break often = plummeting sales, not the other way around. Exhibit A: GM up until a few years ago Exhibit B: Chrysler
Service your Ford with us more often =win
Don't change your oil per E85 suggestion and wear out your engine early=win
How is that a win? Ford's sales are skyrocketing because of improved quality and there vehicles lasting LONGER. Junk vehicles that break often = plummeting sales, not the other way around. Exhibit A: GM up until a few years ago Exhibit B: Chrysler
I do not see where this corrosion problem is comming from. There has never been a fuel system failure from E85 in systems DESIGNED for E85. Flex fuel systems are impervious to the corrosive effects of E85.
Originally Posted By: getnpsi
Service your Ford with us more often =win
Don't change your oil per E85 suggestion and wear out your engine early=win
There is no E85 suggestion on my 2009 FX4 it has a OLM.
Service your Ford with us more often =win
Don't change your oil per E85 suggestion and wear out your engine early=win
There is no E85 suggestion on my 2009 FX4 it has a OLM.
I guess we don't need GF5/SN oils.
If E85 or E-anything weren't an issue, it wouldn't need to be addressed. It is an issue and they are addressing it.
http://www.gf-5.com/the_story/performance
White sludge:
http://www.gf-5.com/uploads/File/ILSAC_GF-5_requirements.pdf
If your vehicle is FFV, then use whatever fuel you want.
If your vehicle isn't FFV, stick with E10. Short term happiness means nothing. Long term affects are something to think about.
I could also care less what the tuner turbo crowd is doing. E85 is a band-aid for poor tuning, ineffective cooling, bad engineering..... But, E85 is way cheaper than race gas and is why they're using it.
If E85 or E-anything weren't an issue, it wouldn't need to be addressed. It is an issue and they are addressing it.
http://www.gf-5.com/the_story/performance
White sludge:
http://www.gf-5.com/uploads/File/ILSAC_GF-5_requirements.pdf
If your vehicle is FFV, then use whatever fuel you want.
If your vehicle isn't FFV, stick with E10. Short term happiness means nothing. Long term affects are something to think about.
I could also care less what the tuner turbo crowd is doing. E85 is a band-aid for poor tuning, ineffective cooling, bad engineering..... But, E85 is way cheaper than race gas and is why they're using it.
Originally Posted By: dave1251
Originally Posted By: getnpsi
Service your Ford with us more often =win
Don't change your oil per E85 suggestion and wear out your engine early=win
There is no E85 suggestion on my 2009 FX4 it has a OLM.
Look in your owners manual...There is a recommendation for using E85 and oil service intervals
Originally Posted By: getnpsi
Service your Ford with us more often =win
Don't change your oil per E85 suggestion and wear out your engine early=win
There is no E85 suggestion on my 2009 FX4 it has a OLM.
Look in your owners manual...There is a recommendation for using E85 and oil service intervals
Originally Posted By: djquik1
Originally Posted By: dave1251
Originally Posted By: getnpsi
Service your Ford with us more often =win
Don't change your oil per E85 suggestion and wear out your engine early=win
There is no E85 suggestion on my 2009 FX4 it has a OLM.
Look in your owners manual...There is a recommendation for using E85 and oil service intervals
No it does not here is what is says.
To reset the oil monitoring system to 100% after each oil change
[approximately 7,500 miles (12,000 km) or six months] perform the
following:
1. Press and release the
SELECT/RESET stem to display OIL
LIFE = XXX% HOLD RESET =
NEW.
2. Press and hold the
SELECT/RESET stem for two
seconds and release. Oil life is set to
100% and “OIL LIFE SET TO 100%”
is displayed.
3. While “OIL LIFE SET TO 100%”
is displayed, if a lower oil life start value is desired, press and release the
RESET control to reduce the start value. Each press of the
SELECT/RESET stem reduces the value by 10 percent.
Note: Oil life start value of 100% equals 7,500 miles (12,000 km) or six
months. For example, setting oil life start value to 60% sets the oil life
start value to 4,500 miles (7,200 km) and 108 days.
Originally Posted By: dave1251
Originally Posted By: getnpsi
Service your Ford with us more often =win
Don't change your oil per E85 suggestion and wear out your engine early=win
There is no E85 suggestion on my 2009 FX4 it has a OLM.
Look in your owners manual...There is a recommendation for using E85 and oil service intervals
No it does not here is what is says.
To reset the oil monitoring system to 100% after each oil change
[approximately 7,500 miles (12,000 km) or six months] perform the
following:
1. Press and release the
SELECT/RESET stem to display OIL
LIFE = XXX% HOLD RESET =
NEW.
2. Press and hold the
SELECT/RESET stem for two
seconds and release. Oil life is set to
100% and “OIL LIFE SET TO 100%”
is displayed.
3. While “OIL LIFE SET TO 100%”
is displayed, if a lower oil life start value is desired, press and release the
RESET control to reduce the start value. Each press of the
SELECT/RESET stem reduces the value by 10 percent.
Note: Oil life start value of 100% equals 7,500 miles (12,000 km) or six
months. For example, setting oil life start value to 60% sets the oil life
start value to 4,500 miles (7,200 km) and 108 days.
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