OK, I've decided to tip the AC installers if they are courteous, polite and know do their job very well. I can tell if installers do a good job because I know how to do it, but, at 79 years old, I want to give the younger folks a chance-HaHA SO WHAT IS A REASONABLE TIP FOR THE TEO FELLAS WHO WILL BE INSTALLING MY NEW AC UNIT?
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How much is the total bill? Maybe a percentage of that. If two guys, maybe $20 each on the low side. Which covers lunch and then some. Something is better than nothing.
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That sounds like my ball park. $20-30. Thanks. Ed
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Originally Posted By: ArcticDriver
If the waitstaff has agreed to split all tips then your actions results in only two possible outcomes:
1) The recipient donates your tip to the communal pot.
OR
2) The recipeint slyly pockets your tip and is spotted by very watchful coworkers and is forever more branded a thief who cannot be trusted.
Your "strings attached" tip is a nice gesture but its really not your decision how those funds are dispersed.
Yes it is I won't support communism!
[censored] Yeah !
I withdraw my opposition...you are 100% correct.
Originally Posted By: ArcticDriver
If the waitstaff has agreed to split all tips then your actions results in only two possible outcomes:
1) The recipient donates your tip to the communal pot.
OR
2) The recipeint slyly pockets your tip and is spotted by very watchful coworkers and is forever more branded a thief who cannot be trusted.
Your "strings attached" tip is a nice gesture but its really not your decision how those funds are dispersed.
Yes it is I won't support communism!
[censored] Yeah !
I withdraw my opposition...you are 100% correct.
Originally Posted By: aquariuscsm
I still say a community tipping pot is about as sleazy as can get. Isn't the whole idea of tipping to pay the server who served "you" for doing an outstanding job,and not for tipping some server who waited on a customer hours before you came in or hours before you left? Community pot tipping establishments should go belly up. They're essentially the thieves here for stealing the server's tip.
You need to speak to some waitstaff. There are valid reasons to split tips, including some staff got stuck with bad tables, few tables, etc..plus it is one of the methods to make sure that the bussers get their cut which is typically a fraction of the percentage of the whole.
It is a decision made by the staff and not mandated by the manager. Obviously, they have reasons for making these choices.
Best not to form such black & white position until you educate yourself...good lesson in life.
Unless you are saying you are trying to stop the Red Demon from reaching our Shores of Freedom like JJ above.
Thats another story.
I still say a community tipping pot is about as sleazy as can get. Isn't the whole idea of tipping to pay the server who served "you" for doing an outstanding job,and not for tipping some server who waited on a customer hours before you came in or hours before you left? Community pot tipping establishments should go belly up. They're essentially the thieves here for stealing the server's tip.
You need to speak to some waitstaff. There are valid reasons to split tips, including some staff got stuck with bad tables, few tables, etc..plus it is one of the methods to make sure that the bussers get their cut which is typically a fraction of the percentage of the whole.
It is a decision made by the staff and not mandated by the manager. Obviously, they have reasons for making these choices.
Best not to form such black & white position until you educate yourself...good lesson in life.
Unless you are saying you are trying to stop the Red Demon from reaching our Shores of Freedom like JJ above.
Thats another story.
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Originally Posted By: ArcticDriver
Originally Posted By: aquariuscsm
I still say a community tipping pot is about as sleazy as can get. Isn't the whole idea of tipping to pay the server who served "you" for doing an outstanding job,and not for tipping some server who waited on a customer hours before you came in or hours before you left? Community pot tipping establishments should go belly up. They're essentially the thieves here for stealing the server's tip.
You need to speak to some waitstaff. There are valid reasons to split tips, including some staff got stuck with bad tables, few tables, etc..plus it is one of the methods to make sure that the bussers get their cut which is typically a fraction of the percentage of the whole.
It is a decision made by the staff and not mandated by the manager. Obviously, they have reasons for making these choices.
Best not to form such black & white position until you educate yourself...good lesson in life.
Unless you are saying you are trying to stop the Red Demon from reaching our Shores of Freedom like JJ above.
Thats another story.
I've actually known many a waiter/waitress who walked out of jobs because of community pots. They bust their rear while their lazy coworkers reap the same benefits. The true career servers that are good at waiting tables can always spot the good customers vs the bad. I swear they have it down to an art and make crazy money!! It's basically the same as working commission. The hustlers bring in the customers and make money,while the layabouts make zero.
Originally Posted By: aquariuscsm
I still say a community tipping pot is about as sleazy as can get. Isn't the whole idea of tipping to pay the server who served "you" for doing an outstanding job,and not for tipping some server who waited on a customer hours before you came in or hours before you left? Community pot tipping establishments should go belly up. They're essentially the thieves here for stealing the server's tip.
You need to speak to some waitstaff. There are valid reasons to split tips, including some staff got stuck with bad tables, few tables, etc..plus it is one of the methods to make sure that the bussers get their cut which is typically a fraction of the percentage of the whole.
It is a decision made by the staff and not mandated by the manager. Obviously, they have reasons for making these choices.
Best not to form such black & white position until you educate yourself...good lesson in life.
Unless you are saying you are trying to stop the Red Demon from reaching our Shores of Freedom like JJ above.
Thats another story.
I've actually known many a waiter/waitress who walked out of jobs because of community pots. They bust their rear while their lazy coworkers reap the same benefits. The true career servers that are good at waiting tables can always spot the good customers vs the bad. I swear they have it down to an art and make crazy money!! It's basically the same as working commission. The hustlers bring in the customers and make money,while the layabouts make zero.
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Originally Posted By: aquariuscsm
Originally Posted By: ArcticDriver
Originally Posted By: aquariuscsm
I still say a community tipping pot is about as sleazy as can get. Isn't the whole idea of tipping to pay the server who served "you" for doing an outstanding job,and not for tipping some server who waited on a customer hours before you came in or hours before you left? Community pot tipping establishments should go belly up. They're essentially the thieves here for stealing the server's tip.
You need to speak to some waitstaff. There are valid reasons to split tips, including some staff got stuck with bad tables, few tables, etc..plus it is one of the methods to make sure that the bussers get their cut which is typically a fraction of the percentage of the whole.
It is a decision made by the staff and not mandated by the manager. Obviously, they have reasons for making these choices.
Best not to form such black & white position until you educate yourself...good lesson in life.
Unless you are saying you are trying to stop the Red Demon from reaching our Shores of Freedom like JJ above.
Thats another story.
I've actually known many a waiter/waitress who walked out of jobs because of community pots. They bust their as*es while their lazy coworkers reap the same benefits. The true career servers that are good at waiting tables can always spot the good customers vs the bad. I swear they have it down to an art and make crazy money!! It's basically the same as working commission. The hustlers bring in the customers and make money,while the layabouts make zero.
Sure, waitstaff can spot good customers vs bad but its not like waitstaff get to pick their customers.
The reality is Managers are not doing their jobs if they are keeping layabouts on staff because diners will find a new restaurant. Thats the fail in your argument. costomers complain to managers when they have a bad dining experience. But then again I don't know much about Texas. I can just tell you how it works most other places.
As for career waitstaff making big money, well its all a matter of perspective because they don't often get the benefits associated wit genuine careers and the hours are terrible and there is typically a heavy risk of alcoholism.
But how you spend your money is of zero interest to me.
Cheers
Originally Posted By: ArcticDriver
Originally Posted By: aquariuscsm
I still say a community tipping pot is about as sleazy as can get. Isn't the whole idea of tipping to pay the server who served "you" for doing an outstanding job,and not for tipping some server who waited on a customer hours before you came in or hours before you left? Community pot tipping establishments should go belly up. They're essentially the thieves here for stealing the server's tip.
You need to speak to some waitstaff. There are valid reasons to split tips, including some staff got stuck with bad tables, few tables, etc..plus it is one of the methods to make sure that the bussers get their cut which is typically a fraction of the percentage of the whole.
It is a decision made by the staff and not mandated by the manager. Obviously, they have reasons for making these choices.
Best not to form such black & white position until you educate yourself...good lesson in life.
Unless you are saying you are trying to stop the Red Demon from reaching our Shores of Freedom like JJ above.
Thats another story.
I've actually known many a waiter/waitress who walked out of jobs because of community pots. They bust their as*es while their lazy coworkers reap the same benefits. The true career servers that are good at waiting tables can always spot the good customers vs the bad. I swear they have it down to an art and make crazy money!! It's basically the same as working commission. The hustlers bring in the customers and make money,while the layabouts make zero.
Sure, waitstaff can spot good customers vs bad but its not like waitstaff get to pick their customers.
The reality is Managers are not doing their jobs if they are keeping layabouts on staff because diners will find a new restaurant. Thats the fail in your argument. costomers complain to managers when they have a bad dining experience. But then again I don't know much about Texas. I can just tell you how it works most other places.
As for career waitstaff making big money, well its all a matter of perspective because they don't often get the benefits associated wit genuine careers and the hours are terrible and there is typically a heavy risk of alcoholism.
But how you spend your money is of zero interest to me.
Cheers
My wife tends to tip repair men in other ways. She puts on lots of charm makes them a cup of coffee and food item they never seem refuse. She denies it but dresses the part a bit.
I can't stand community tipping either. And I don't care about the manager in the whole circumstance. I want what I give to be between me and that individual who waited my table. I usually tip very, very high. When I worked at the hospital I would set aside $30 for a pizza and a drink. Whatever was left over I gave to the driver. Usually it was $9 up to $12. Many times they got a $12 tip on a $17 pizza and drink. I didn't care. That's what I wanted to do. I didn't think much of it until I talked to a young fella who was leaving that Papa John's where I always ordered from. He told me that I was a legend around there at that Papa John's. Made me laugh. Never thought nothing of it. The other night I ordered from Papa John's near my place and that lousy driver had the social skills of a doberman that hadn't been fed in a week. Instead of me giving that idiot $10... He got $3. Pays to be nice and courteous with me. There's a hefty reward for it from me if someone is that way. I believe in doing that for people who know how to act right.
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Originally Posted By: ArcticDriver
As for career waitstaff making big money, well its all a matter of perspective because they don't often get the benefits associated wit genuine careers and the hours are terrible and there is typically a heavy risk of alcoholism.
Now you can't assume just because someone made a career of being a server makes them poor,an alcoholic,or less of a person,THAT is a black and white position as you had made that comment earlier. That's like saying all corporate ceo's are coke heads or all physicians are pill heads. Yeah hours suck,but alot of things in life suck. Life is what you make it. Some servers rake in the dough and some don't. Some salespeople rake in the dough and some don't. A server is a salesperson.
As for career waitstaff making big money, well its all a matter of perspective because they don't often get the benefits associated wit genuine careers and the hours are terrible and there is typically a heavy risk of alcoholism.
Now you can't assume just because someone made a career of being a server makes them poor,an alcoholic,or less of a person,THAT is a black and white position as you had made that comment earlier. That's like saying all corporate ceo's are coke heads or all physicians are pill heads. Yeah hours suck,but alot of things in life suck. Life is what you make it. Some servers rake in the dough and some don't. Some salespeople rake in the dough and some don't. A server is a salesperson.
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Originally Posted By: bbhero
I can't stand community tipping either. And I don't care about the manager in the whole circumstance. I want what I give to be between me and that individual who waited my table. I usually tip very, very high. When I worked at the hospital I would set aside $30 for a pizza and a drink. Whatever was left over I gave to the driver. Usually it was $9 up to $12. Many times they got a $12 tip on a $17 pizza and drink. I didn't care. That's what I wanted to do. I didn't think much of it until I talked to a young fella who was leaving that Papa John's where I always ordered from. He told me that I was a legend around there at that Papa John's. Made me laugh. Never thought nothing of it. The other night I ordered from Papa John's near my place and that lousy driver had the social skills of a doberman that hadn't been fed in a week. Instead of me giving that idiot $10... He got $3. Pays to be nice and courteous with me. There's a hefty reward for it from me if someone is that way. I believe in doing that for people who know how to act right.
^^Excatly!
I can't stand community tipping either. And I don't care about the manager in the whole circumstance. I want what I give to be between me and that individual who waited my table. I usually tip very, very high. When I worked at the hospital I would set aside $30 for a pizza and a drink. Whatever was left over I gave to the driver. Usually it was $9 up to $12. Many times they got a $12 tip on a $17 pizza and drink. I didn't care. That's what I wanted to do. I didn't think much of it until I talked to a young fella who was leaving that Papa John's where I always ordered from. He told me that I was a legend around there at that Papa John's. Made me laugh. Never thought nothing of it. The other night I ordered from Papa John's near my place and that lousy driver had the social skills of a doberman that hadn't been fed in a week. Instead of me giving that idiot $10... He got $3. Pays to be nice and courteous with me. There's a hefty reward for it from me if someone is that way. I believe in doing that for people who know how to act right.
^^Excatly!
Originally Posted By: aquariuscsm
Originally Posted By: ArcticDriver
As for career waitstaff making big money, well its all a matter of perspective because they don't often get the benefits associated wit genuine careers and the hours are terrible and there is typically a heavy risk of alcoholism.
Now you can't assume just because someone made a career of being a server makes them poor,an alcoholic,or less of a person,THAT is a black and white position as you had made that comment earlier. That's like saying all corporate ceo's are coke heads or all physicians are pill heads. Yeah hours suck,but alot of things in life suck. Life is what you make it. Some servers rake in the dough and some don't. Some salespeople rake in the dough and some don't. A server is a salesperson.
Is English your peimary language?
Please study logical fallacies because your response falls under that category. You are making an error in logic and making illogical assumptions in order to build a strawman argument.
I could care a less about how you spend your money or this topic except to say that it is none of your business how the tip is distributed once you leave it on the table. You lose ownership at that point.
Originally Posted By: ArcticDriver
As for career waitstaff making big money, well its all a matter of perspective because they don't often get the benefits associated wit genuine careers and the hours are terrible and there is typically a heavy risk of alcoholism.
Now you can't assume just because someone made a career of being a server makes them poor,an alcoholic,or less of a person,THAT is a black and white position as you had made that comment earlier. That's like saying all corporate ceo's are coke heads or all physicians are pill heads. Yeah hours suck,but alot of things in life suck. Life is what you make it. Some servers rake in the dough and some don't. Some salespeople rake in the dough and some don't. A server is a salesperson.
Is English your peimary language?
Please study logical fallacies because your response falls under that category. You are making an error in logic and making illogical assumptions in order to build a strawman argument.
I could care a less about how you spend your money or this topic except to say that it is none of your business how the tip is distributed once you leave it on the table. You lose ownership at that point.
Originally Posted By: bbhero
I can't stand community tipping either. And I don't care about the manager in the whole circumstance. I want what I give to be between me and that individual who waited my table. I usually tip very, very high. When I worked at the hospital I would set aside $30 for a pizza and a drink. Whatever was left over I gave to the driver. Usually it was $9 up to $12. Many times they got a $12 tip on a $17 pizza and drink. I didn't care.
You frequently leave a $12 tip on a $17 pizza?
This suggests a couple things.
1) You are young.
2) You are single.
3) You don't understand the value of a dollar.
4) Your math skills are lacking because $12 + $17 = $29 and not the $30 you set out.
Stay in school young man.
I can't stand community tipping either. And I don't care about the manager in the whole circumstance. I want what I give to be between me and that individual who waited my table. I usually tip very, very high. When I worked at the hospital I would set aside $30 for a pizza and a drink. Whatever was left over I gave to the driver. Usually it was $9 up to $12. Many times they got a $12 tip on a $17 pizza and drink. I didn't care.
You frequently leave a $12 tip on a $17 pizza?
This suggests a couple things.
1) You are young.
2) You are single.
3) You don't understand the value of a dollar.
4) Your math skills are lacking because $12 + $17 = $29 and not the $30 you set out.
Stay in school young man.
I worked at a somewhat fancy restaurant in Houston during part of college and a mom and pop place in Fort Worth during graduate school. No tip sharing at the Mom and Pop place but it was a simple structure and service. The fancier place I had to pay a 'pay-out percentage' on assumed tips to pay for players, food runners, and bussers. If tips were not great then it would really cut into my earnings for the night. The worst was when a large party would be my only table for the shift, run up a substantial bill, not tip and I'd loose money*. Almost as bad is those who left no tip but left an evangelism tract.
*there was a policy of a mandatory 10% on parties of ten or more but if the table demanded it be taken off the management would do it.
*there was a policy of a mandatory 10% on parties of ten or more but if the table demanded it be taken off the management would do it.
Ahh hey hoss... I am a grown (synonym for a donkey aka the other word for a donkey) man. I am 42 yrs old... Married... Have a college degree... Have saved people's lives... Understand what regular math is.... Did complex drug calculations... Stopped and questions about an IV treatment that made no sense.. And had that rate changed from 266 ml per hour to 43.6 ml an hour because it was WAY off.. Another patient would have LIVED had the operating physician taken my advice and gotten a wound cultures with gram stain, blood cultures, and started a broad spectrum antibiotic, and had we gotten a specialist Infectious disease doctor on that case... That patient would have lived if that operating physician had taken my suggestions/recommendations into account... I know who I am...
I know a whole heck of a LOT...
I know the value of a dollar...
Thus why I give away my dollars to others..
Because I've been where they are...
I believe strongly in helping out others..
I don't expect the govt to do it for me..
I do it...
May I suggest before spouting off a bunch of non sense you not assume anything about someone you really don't know from Adam's house cat... Because you don't know Jack number two about me..
Having said that.. have a good day today.
I know a whole heck of a LOT...
I know the value of a dollar...
Thus why I give away my dollars to others..
Because I've been where they are...
I believe strongly in helping out others..
I don't expect the govt to do it for me..
I do it...
May I suggest before spouting off a bunch of non sense you not assume anything about someone you really don't know from Adam's house cat... Because you don't know Jack number two about me..
Having said that.. have a good day today.
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Originally Posted By: bbhero
Ahh hey hoss... I am a grown (synonym for a donkey aka the other word for a donkey) man. I am 42 yrs old... Married... Have a college degree... Have saved people's lives... Understand what regular math is.... Did complex drug calculations... Stopped and questions about an IV treatment that made no sense.. And had that rate changed from 266 ml per hour to 43.6 ml an hour because it was WAY off.. Another patient would have LIVED had the operating physician taken my advice and gotten a wound cultures with gram stain, blood cultures, and started a broad spectrum antibiotic, and had we gotten a specialist Infectious disease doctor on that case... That patient would have lived if that operating physician had taken my suggestions/recommendations into account... I know who I am...
I know a whole heck of a LOT...
I know the value of a dollar...
Thus why I give away my dollars to others..
Because I've been where they are...
I believe strongly in helping out others..
I don't expect the govt to do it for me..
I do it...
May I suggest before spouting off a bunch of non sense you not assume anything about someone you really don't know from Adam's house cat... Because you don't know Jack number two about me..
Having said that.. have a good day today.
Lol...pardon my saying but your ego appears more fragile than an eggshell I just cracked for my huevos rancheros.
In your honor I will leave a bigger tip than usual at dinner tonight.
Have a good one as well.
Ahh hey hoss... I am a grown (synonym for a donkey aka the other word for a donkey) man. I am 42 yrs old... Married... Have a college degree... Have saved people's lives... Understand what regular math is.... Did complex drug calculations... Stopped and questions about an IV treatment that made no sense.. And had that rate changed from 266 ml per hour to 43.6 ml an hour because it was WAY off.. Another patient would have LIVED had the operating physician taken my advice and gotten a wound cultures with gram stain, blood cultures, and started a broad spectrum antibiotic, and had we gotten a specialist Infectious disease doctor on that case... That patient would have lived if that operating physician had taken my suggestions/recommendations into account... I know who I am...
I know a whole heck of a LOT...
I know the value of a dollar...
Thus why I give away my dollars to others..
Because I've been where they are...
I believe strongly in helping out others..
I don't expect the govt to do it for me..
I do it...
May I suggest before spouting off a bunch of non sense you not assume anything about someone you really don't know from Adam's house cat... Because you don't know Jack number two about me..
Having said that.. have a good day today.
Lol...pardon my saying but your ego appears more fragile than an eggshell I just cracked for my huevos rancheros.
In your honor I will leave a bigger tip than usual at dinner tonight.
Have a good one as well.
Originally Posted By: bbhero
I can't stand community tipping either. And I don't care about the manager in the whole circumstance. I want what I give to be between me and that individual who waited my table. I usually tip very, very high. When I worked at the hospital I would set aside $30 for a pizza and a drink. Whatever was left over I gave to the driver. Usually it was $9 up to $12. Many times they got a $12 tip on a $17 pizza and drink. I didn't care. That's what I wanted to do. I didn't think much of it until I talked to a young fella who was leaving that Papa John's where I always ordered from. He told me that I was a legend around there at that Papa John's. Made me laugh. Never thought nothing of it. The other night I ordered from Papa John's near my place and that lousy driver had the social skills of a doberman that hadn't been fed in a week. Instead of me giving that idiot $10... He got $3. Pays to be nice and courteous with me. There's a hefty reward for it from me if someone is that way. I believe in doing that for people who know how to act right.
And the guy delivering pizzas for a living appreciates your generosity.
I can't stand community tipping either. And I don't care about the manager in the whole circumstance. I want what I give to be between me and that individual who waited my table. I usually tip very, very high. When I worked at the hospital I would set aside $30 for a pizza and a drink. Whatever was left over I gave to the driver. Usually it was $9 up to $12. Many times they got a $12 tip on a $17 pizza and drink. I didn't care. That's what I wanted to do. I didn't think much of it until I talked to a young fella who was leaving that Papa John's where I always ordered from. He told me that I was a legend around there at that Papa John's. Made me laugh. Never thought nothing of it. The other night I ordered from Papa John's near my place and that lousy driver had the social skills of a doberman that hadn't been fed in a week. Instead of me giving that idiot $10... He got $3. Pays to be nice and courteous with me. There's a hefty reward for it from me if someone is that way. I believe in doing that for people who know how to act right.
And the guy delivering pizzas for a living appreciates your generosity.
I've occasionally left meal tips greater than the cost of the meal. If the service is outstanding and I feel the server is a struggling single parent, someone down on their luck or a young person working their way through school, I'm extra generous. I try to develop a little "banter" with the wait staff while interacting with them....plus, I'm pretty good at profiling. On the opposite end, the people who are discourteous, lazy, or flippant, get nothing.
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