Thinking of becoming vegetarian ....
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Originally Posted By: Volvo_ST1
What the human body needs are the nine essential amino acids found in protein: histidine, isoleucine, leucine, lysine, methionine, phenylalanine, threonine, tryptophan, and valine. Getting all those amino acids from non-animal protein may be difficult.
For the average, clogged up person I'd say yes, but for the cleansed, toned, GI tract / liver aware vegan person, it's easy. People with healthy GI tracts and properly functioning organs can get all the protein they need from plant foods.
What the human body needs are the nine essential amino acids found in protein: histidine, isoleucine, leucine, lysine, methionine, phenylalanine, threonine, tryptophan, and valine. Getting all those amino acids from non-animal protein may be difficult.
For the average, clogged up person I'd say yes, but for the cleansed, toned, GI tract / liver aware vegan person, it's easy. People with healthy GI tracts and properly functioning organs can get all the protein they need from plant foods.
Originally Posted By: Volvo_ST1
Originally Posted By: Lurch
I mean, yes, we're all different in many ways, but to think we need animal proteins to survive or be healthy is, IMO, a myth. I'm finding out that it CAN be done, but do your homework before getting into it.
What the human body needs are the nine essential amino acids found in protein: histidine, isoleucine, leucine, lysine, methionine, phenylalanine, threonine, tryptophan, and valine. Getting all those amino acids from non-animal protein may be difficult.
The body doesn't need protein, it needs amino acids. The body can synthetize proteins. For example, look at a gorilla who's muscles are phenomenal. All they do is eat vegan. It's just my belief, but we've been fed a whole load of crock in regards to how much meat we are supposed to eat. The human body functions just fine without it. I personally eat meat maybe once a week. At most. I used to be a huge carnivore but I discovered that my body didnt really enjoy it.
Originally Posted By: Lurch
I mean, yes, we're all different in many ways, but to think we need animal proteins to survive or be healthy is, IMO, a myth. I'm finding out that it CAN be done, but do your homework before getting into it.
What the human body needs are the nine essential amino acids found in protein: histidine, isoleucine, leucine, lysine, methionine, phenylalanine, threonine, tryptophan, and valine. Getting all those amino acids from non-animal protein may be difficult.
The body doesn't need protein, it needs amino acids. The body can synthetize proteins. For example, look at a gorilla who's muscles are phenomenal. All they do is eat vegan. It's just my belief, but we've been fed a whole load of crock in regards to how much meat we are supposed to eat. The human body functions just fine without it. I personally eat meat maybe once a week. At most. I used to be a huge carnivore but I discovered that my body didnt really enjoy it.
Originally Posted By: Liquid_Turbo
Originally Posted By: Volvo_ST1
Originally Posted By: Lurch
I mean, yes, we're all different in many ways, but to think we need animal proteins to survive or be healthy is, IMO, a myth. I'm finding out that it CAN be done, but do your homework before getting into it.
What the human body needs are the nine essential amino acids found in protein: histidine, isoleucine, leucine, lysine, methionine, phenylalanine, threonine, tryptophan, and valine. Getting all those amino acids from non-animal protein may be difficult.
The body doesn't need protein, it needs amino acids. The body can synthetize proteins. For example, look at a gorilla who's muscles are phenomenal. All they do is eat vegan. It's just my belief, but we've been fed a whole load of crock in regards to how much meat we are supposed to eat. The human body functions just fine without it. I personally eat meat maybe once a week. At most. I used to be a huge carnivore but I discovered that my body didnt really enjoy it.
"synthetize" is not a word.
I wrote, "What the human body needs are the nine essential amino acids found in protein." I did not say "found only in protein" or that the body couldn't synthesize protein from amino acids.
You're very welcome to carefully count all the beans and sprouts you eat to make sure get what your body needs.
As a gorilla expert you surely know that humans and apes do not have identical digestive systems. Gorillas eat over 60 pounds of food every day. By the way, gorillas eat the afterbirth after giving birth. They also eat insects. Maybe you ought to put some nutritious crickets on your breakfast banana.
Originally Posted By: Volvo_ST1
Originally Posted By: Lurch
I mean, yes, we're all different in many ways, but to think we need animal proteins to survive or be healthy is, IMO, a myth. I'm finding out that it CAN be done, but do your homework before getting into it.
What the human body needs are the nine essential amino acids found in protein: histidine, isoleucine, leucine, lysine, methionine, phenylalanine, threonine, tryptophan, and valine. Getting all those amino acids from non-animal protein may be difficult.
The body doesn't need protein, it needs amino acids. The body can synthetize proteins. For example, look at a gorilla who's muscles are phenomenal. All they do is eat vegan. It's just my belief, but we've been fed a whole load of crock in regards to how much meat we are supposed to eat. The human body functions just fine without it. I personally eat meat maybe once a week. At most. I used to be a huge carnivore but I discovered that my body didnt really enjoy it.
"synthetize" is not a word.
I wrote, "What the human body needs are the nine essential amino acids found in protein." I did not say "found only in protein" or that the body couldn't synthesize protein from amino acids.
You're very welcome to carefully count all the beans and sprouts you eat to make sure get what your body needs.
As a gorilla expert you surely know that humans and apes do not have identical digestive systems. Gorillas eat over 60 pounds of food every day. By the way, gorillas eat the afterbirth after giving birth. They also eat insects. Maybe you ought to put some nutritious crickets on your breakfast banana.
Originally Posted By: Liquid_Turbo
The body doesn't need protein, it needs amino acids. The body can synthetize proteins. For example, look at a gorilla who's muscles are phenomenal. All they do is eat vegan. It's just my belief, but we've been fed a whole load of crock in regards to how much meat we are supposed to eat. The human body functions just fine without it. I personally eat meat maybe once a week. At most. I used to be a huge carnivore but I discovered that my body didnt really enjoy it.
Actually I'm amazed at how I seem to build muscle just as good on all vegan foods as I did eating animal proteins. I do take "superfood" every morning in my fresh made juice, which more than likely fills in any gaps of a vegan way of eating. I also eat raw sprouted, soaked, nuts, seeds, legumes, grains, and a lot of fruit & veggies.
I feed my 2 cats only raw meats, raw eggs, raw poultry, and raw fish. I do support meat producers, I just don't eat any of it myself.
Cats are true carnivores. Feeding vegan foods to cats is a total no-no in my book.
The body doesn't need protein, it needs amino acids. The body can synthetize proteins. For example, look at a gorilla who's muscles are phenomenal. All they do is eat vegan. It's just my belief, but we've been fed a whole load of crock in regards to how much meat we are supposed to eat. The human body functions just fine without it. I personally eat meat maybe once a week. At most. I used to be a huge carnivore but I discovered that my body didnt really enjoy it.
Actually I'm amazed at how I seem to build muscle just as good on all vegan foods as I did eating animal proteins. I do take "superfood" every morning in my fresh made juice, which more than likely fills in any gaps of a vegan way of eating. I also eat raw sprouted, soaked, nuts, seeds, legumes, grains, and a lot of fruit & veggies.
I feed my 2 cats only raw meats, raw eggs, raw poultry, and raw fish. I do support meat producers, I just don't eat any of it myself.
To each his or her own.
Everything in moderation.
We eat a vegetable only dinner every so often but I got to have my meat and taters. If it kills me, I'll die happy and full!
Everything in moderation.
We eat a vegetable only dinner every so often but I got to have my meat and taters. If it kills me, I'll die happy and full!
Originally Posted By: addyguy
Humans were designed to eat meat - we are supposed to. Our teeth, our digestive track, our intelligence to hunt means meat is an healthy part of our diet.
Being a vegetatarian is NOT a natural state. Vegetarians go on about it being a more 'natural' and 'haelthy' way to live, but it's just a PC crock.
Eat balanced amounts of lean protein and you'll be fine.
Depends where you live....Some third world areas they simply are mainly vegetarian due to the lack of access/supply of inexpensive meat.
Getting meat from a grocery store seems beyond unnatural to me even though I do it every week (pork and occasionally chicken).
Humans were designed to eat meat - we are supposed to. Our teeth, our digestive track, our intelligence to hunt means meat is an healthy part of our diet.
Being a vegetatarian is NOT a natural state. Vegetarians go on about it being a more 'natural' and 'haelthy' way to live, but it's just a PC crock.
Eat balanced amounts of lean protein and you'll be fine.
Depends where you live....Some third world areas they simply are mainly vegetarian due to the lack of access/supply of inexpensive meat.
Getting meat from a grocery store seems beyond unnatural to me even though I do it every week (pork and occasionally chicken).
Originally Posted By: Volvo_ST1
Getting all those amino acids from non-animal protein may be difficult.
Nuts, grains, legumes. Combine any two.
Getting all those amino acids from non-animal protein may be difficult.
Nuts, grains, legumes. Combine any two.
Originally Posted By: uc50ic4more
Originally Posted By: Volvo_ST1
Getting all those amino acids from non-animal protein may be difficult.
Nuts, grains, legumes. Combine any two.
I said "may be difficult." Many people are allergic to nuts and legumes. Some people's digestive tract won't adjust well to certain foods, especially if consumed in larger quantities. While I have no issues eating a few handful of nuts, not everybody can follow suit without dire consequences. Getting essential amino acids is certainly easier if one eats flesh (I am tired of writing meat and fish).
Please pass the beans at lunch before dropping by my place. As a favor, I will in return not eat more than two tablespoons of chia seed before sitting down on your sofa.
Originally Posted By: Volvo_ST1
Getting all those amino acids from non-animal protein may be difficult.
Nuts, grains, legumes. Combine any two.
I said "may be difficult." Many people are allergic to nuts and legumes. Some people's digestive tract won't adjust well to certain foods, especially if consumed in larger quantities. While I have no issues eating a few handful of nuts, not everybody can follow suit without dire consequences. Getting essential amino acids is certainly easier if one eats flesh (I am tired of writing meat and fish).
Please pass the beans at lunch before dropping by my place. As a favor, I will in return not eat more than two tablespoons of chia seed before sitting down on your sofa.
Originally Posted By: Volvo_ST1
Getting essential amino acids is certainly easier if one eats flesh
For years I thought that too, and felt I needed to eat it, so I ate it, but I recently was told that eating flesh is using it to "band-aid" symptoms, and I totally believe it. When people have poorly functioning organs and gunked up GI tracts, they eat flesh in order to feel better, but that, IMHO is not healing, it's using flesh like a vitamin pill, capsule, or OTC drug to cover up symptoms and feel better fast. Good for a quick fix, but not for long term healing, IMHO.
Actually, nuts are a complete protein, and I tend to think combining grain with legumes is unnecessary, but that's just my opinion.
Getting essential amino acids is certainly easier if one eats flesh
For years I thought that too, and felt I needed to eat it, so I ate it, but I recently was told that eating flesh is using it to "band-aid" symptoms, and I totally believe it. When people have poorly functioning organs and gunked up GI tracts, they eat flesh in order to feel better, but that, IMHO is not healing, it's using flesh like a vitamin pill, capsule, or OTC drug to cover up symptoms and feel better fast. Good for a quick fix, but not for long term healing, IMHO.
Actually, nuts are a complete protein, and I tend to think combining grain with legumes is unnecessary, but that's just my opinion.
Lurch, I'm very conscientious and aware when it comes to what I put in my body. I know what kind of food makes my body function well, and what kind of food doesn't do me good. I also believe that everyone is different, and what applies to one person may not suit another. Ironically, most people don't listen to their body, unless there's an overwhelming craving caused by malnutrition and chemical imbalance. Their diseases demand fries and soda every day.
Nuts are great, but please be aware of mutagenic and carcinogenic properties of mycotoxins like aflatoxin, which are almost always consumed along with nuts.
I truly do believe in consuming a wide variety of food. I do go by colors. Every meal should consist of foods of varying (natural!) colors.
Nuts are great, but please be aware of mutagenic and carcinogenic properties of mycotoxins like aflatoxin, which are almost always consumed along with nuts.
I truly do believe in consuming a wide variety of food. I do go by colors. Every meal should consist of foods of varying (natural!) colors.
I don't believe there can be a successful one-diet-fits-all approach. While the human body has basic nutritional requirements, the specifics vary depending on many factors, for example, metabolic rate. A good diet shouldn't be a chore. Life is too short to eat things that don't taste good. Sadly, many people associate healthy food with things that don't taste good. I blame these people's upbringing.
If you feel well and if you are healthy you are probably doing alright!
If you feel well and if you are healthy you are probably doing alright!
Originally Posted By: rjundi
Depends where you live....Some third world areas they simply are mainly vegetarian due to the lack of access/supply of inexpensive meat.
Getting meat from a grocery store seems beyond unnatural to me even though I do it every week (pork and occasionally chicken).
Those places tend also to not have fumigation etc. of grains.
Read a great article in New Scientist ages ago which showed that many asian/south american "vegetarian" societies took in 10% of their protein of animal origin, in the bugs that were trying to devour their stored grains before the humans could...
They tried a tortilla mix in a malnourished area of mexico(???) that contained mealworms, and found improved health, fatty acids, etc.
Depends where you live....Some third world areas they simply are mainly vegetarian due to the lack of access/supply of inexpensive meat.
Getting meat from a grocery store seems beyond unnatural to me even though I do it every week (pork and occasionally chicken).
Those places tend also to not have fumigation etc. of grains.
Read a great article in New Scientist ages ago which showed that many asian/south american "vegetarian" societies took in 10% of their protein of animal origin, in the bugs that were trying to devour their stored grains before the humans could...
They tried a tortilla mix in a malnourished area of mexico(???) that contained mealworms, and found improved health, fatty acids, etc.
Originally Posted By: Volvo_ST1
Life is too short to eat things that don't taste good.
Personally, I'm way past the stage of eating anything because I think it tastes good. I'd NEVER eat animal protein because I thought it tasted good. Oh yes, I used to love hamburgers and hot dogs while growing up, but I've learned a lot since then. I loved to drink beer and cook meat, etc., in our gas grill. Back them life seemed like just one mouth watering meal to the next, and if I'd kept on that way, I'd most likely be buried the same age as the typical average American.
I seem to have found a way to eat vegan diet, and I plan to stick to it. Some meals can be bland if I don't follow a recipe, but I eat it anyway and I don't mind. There are hundreds of different foods I can eat. I have no excuse to ever resort to eating animals again with all of the vegan foods I can eat.
Life is too short to eat things that don't taste good.
Personally, I'm way past the stage of eating anything because I think it tastes good. I'd NEVER eat animal protein because I thought it tasted good. Oh yes, I used to love hamburgers and hot dogs while growing up, but I've learned a lot since then. I loved to drink beer and cook meat, etc., in our gas grill. Back them life seemed like just one mouth watering meal to the next, and if I'd kept on that way, I'd most likely be buried the same age as the typical average American.
I seem to have found a way to eat vegan diet, and I plan to stick to it. Some meals can be bland if I don't follow a recipe, but I eat it anyway and I don't mind. There are hundreds of different foods I can eat. I have no excuse to ever resort to eating animals again with all of the vegan foods I can eat.
Originally Posted By: Volvo_ST1
Sadly, many people associate healthy food with things that don't taste good. I blame these people's upbringing.
Above and beyond the idea that a person's perception of what tastes good can change over time, there is the fact that different people have taste buds of different receptivity. For example, there is the "bitterness receptor", which people have in varying degrees. You have to wonder why some people are programmed to not like bitter foods (vegetables), while other people can tolerate them.
Sadly, many people associate healthy food with things that don't taste good. I blame these people's upbringing.
Above and beyond the idea that a person's perception of what tastes good can change over time, there is the fact that different people have taste buds of different receptivity. For example, there is the "bitterness receptor", which people have in varying degrees. You have to wonder why some people are programmed to not like bitter foods (vegetables), while other people can tolerate them.
It is false to say that vegetarian meals do not taste good. It is simply a matter of developing your tastes. Since I became a vegetarian last October, I have found that animal flesh does not taste good any more. Before October, I could eat the flesh of mammals and birds without issues. Now, the smell makes me nauseous.
And I can understand someone with a carnivore style diet not liking the taste and smell of, say, cooked zucchini. It is a matter of habits and, to some degree, the atrocious cooking methods of vegetables in the mainstream cooking.
And I can understand someone with a carnivore style diet not liking the taste and smell of, say, cooked zucchini. It is a matter of habits and, to some degree, the atrocious cooking methods of vegetables in the mainstream cooking.
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